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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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there is so little coverage in rUK that i bet most voters didn't know that N. Ireland even voted at the same time. certainly there was little emphasised BBC coverage of Stormont elections earlier in the year.
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Can we take a moment to put to bed all that shite about targeted facebook ads brainwashing the nation?
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Jun 10, 2017 01:17
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Could they not move a party leader to a safe seat?
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Jun 10, 2017 01:18
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I wonder how many tourists visit Northern Ireland just to get the chance to piss on Edward Carson's grave?
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Jun 10, 2017 01:18
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Sarah Bellum posted:I'm from west Belfast, all the dissies I knew ended up super-extra deadified long ago: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/cash-and-gun-row-led-to-murders-28399951.html Our relatively high concentration of irps probably has a bad influence
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Jun 10, 2017 01:20
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josh04 posted:Can we take a moment to put to bed all that shite about targeted facebook ads brainwashing the nation? That definitely happened though, and whether leave.eu improperly handled data could end up investigated.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:21
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Rasler posted:Could they not move a party leader to a safe seat? "You've done the hard work building up your majority so now we might take it from you" isn't a good message to be sending to your MPs at a time when you really can't afford any defections. Also it'd absolutely guarantee them losing the seat they moved from in the next election.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:22
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ultrabindu posted:So in the history of political self owns where does this rank? On a purely UK scale this is pretty high. Not on par with Atlee in 1951 where they tried the same thing and actually lost government completely, but it's a close second.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:23
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Quotey posted:there is so little coverage in rUK that i bet most voters didn't know that N. Ireland even voted at the same time. certainly there was little emphasised BBC coverage of Stormont elections earlier in the year.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:24
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Marenghi posted:Percentage wise the UDA and British forces killed more civilians than the IRA. Not to say the IRA didn't kill more civilians as a whole but they targeted military and paramilitary forces. The UDA targeted civilian Catholics. I really appreciated the effortposts by everyone upthread by the way. This is what I was getting at earlier. The numbers are completely unambiguous on this. Interestingly, wiki states that the republicans killed more republican paramilitaries than the loyalists did. The inference is that elements of one side at least partially saw themselves as fighting a war against a foreign power, as evidenced by their primary choice of target- what about the other?
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Jun 10, 2017 01:27
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josh04 posted:Can we take a moment to put to bed all that shite about targeted facebook ads brainwashing the nation? Sure, this election has proven that advertising never has any effect on people's behavior. Probably should just get rid of all the existing restrictions on election advertising too. 
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Jun 10, 2017 01:29
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Mugsbaloney posted:I really appreciated the effortposts by everyone upthread by the way. This is what I was getting at earlier. The numbers are completely unambiguous on this. Interestingly, wiki states that the republicans killed more republican paramilitaries than the loyalists did. The inference is that elements of one side at least partially saw themselves as fighting a war against a foreign power, as evidenced by their primary choice of target- what about the other?
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Jun 10, 2017 01:32
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Spangly A posted:That definitely happened though, and whether leave.eu improperly handled data could end up investigated. hit button posted:Sure, this election has proven that advertising never has any effect on people's behavior. Probably should just get rid of all the existing restrictions on election advertising too. C'mon, I'm not saying advertising has no impact whatsoever, but there was a story bouncing around in the media in the run up to the election that what Cambridge Analytica do is basically functioning wizard magic and with the power of machine learning ad targeting on side the right would never lose another election.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:33
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I presume there is even now a locust-like horde of journos descending on norn iron ready to go rooting through dustbins and under mattresses looking for juicy scoops on the new kingmakers.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:35
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josh04 posted:Can we take a moment to put to bed all that shite about targeted facebook ads brainwashing the nation? https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/social-barometer-final-week?utm_term=.hbzAz0k2A#.ia2p6jLkp It looks like social media was a massive boon to labour but not really through targeted ads, more that while the right-wing dominates the paper press, the left-wing press dominates social media.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:37
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBSXdZa_gRI The Guys Respond to Trumps Attack on Sadiq Khan - The Last Leg
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Jun 10, 2017 01:37
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Raeg posted:I can't really think of a corncobbing of this scale, she had 3 more years of a majority government and decided to piss it away because POLLS. If she'd just campaigned with her stance at the time (and actually faced the interviews etc) I reckon she would have had a good chance at a big win. It was a well calculated move BUT then she went full on raving loony Tory and added all sorts of new evil bullshit to the manifesto. I mean hey, if you're going to get a huge win anyway, why not stick in all that toxic sludge we want but can never get away with - right guys? For me, that's what hosed it up. The U-turns and piss poor campaigning didn't help but it was the blatant cramming of evil poo poo that killed it. I mean, standing up in the last days before an election and saying you'll delete any human rights that get in the way of pursuing "terrorists"? No Mrs May, no loving way.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:40
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Kurtofan posted:interesting, any reason why? It was a leave area, and the swing seems to have been entirely Lib Dem (who collapsed there) to UKIP. I think Freeman was on the UKIP remain hitlist.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:42
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So we're going to go into the brexit negotiations with a PM that nobody wants to be PM anymore but we're keeping because the tories figure we kind of a need a PM to go into the brexit negotiations this is some crazy political version of staying together for the kids it's a funny joke like on top gear the troubles: let's get some laffs
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Why do all utter arseholes always inevitably adopt that lovely loving frog Captain Gordon fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 01:45
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I know how to feel. 
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Jun 10, 2017 01:45
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Thank you for this effort post! So much of the conversation and especially this kind of post are what keeps me lurking in this thread for several years. I learn a lot here and really appreciate it. Anything to do with Pissflaps is loving tedious though, and I can't wait until the ignore system works out how to also hide responses to that dull pedant.
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Jun 10, 2017 01:48
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Lord Ashcroft's survey of the vote: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/06/result-happen-post-vote-survey/
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communism bitch posted:I presume there is even now a locust-like horde of journos descending on norn iron ready to go rooting through dustbins and under mattresses looking for juicy scoops on the new kingmakers. I mean we havent even touched on the Red Sky scandal, Irisgate, Namagate, the ongoing RHI scandal and the claims the DUP acted as go-between for a Saudi connected businessman to funnel half a million pounds of untraceable money into the Brexit campaign We're on the "drat these guys are crazy regressive" stage before the rotting stench of corruption we are all familiar with starts drifting across
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Jun 10, 2017 01:52
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josh04 posted:Can we take a moment to put to bed all that shite about targeted facebook ads brainwashing the nation? To play devil's advocate, the Labour party had a fundraising advantage for the first time in a long time and as the polls unexpectedly tightened a bunch of resources would start being freed up for safer seats. Maybe they spent that money on targeted Facebook ads in marginals, and maybe that's one of the reasons so many Labour voters made their decision so late according to Ashcroft's polling?
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Jun 10, 2017 01:52
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Tsaedje posted:Campbell pointedly saying he voted for Corbyn and so did Tony Blair was a strange experience Wasn't he specifically talking about voting for the manifesto? Since pig book author was saying 'would you have put this manifesto forward' and he said he voted for it and so did Tony Blair Which makes the whole 'not on a leftist platform' thing even funnier
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Jun 10, 2017 01:55
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"However, they were all desirous to see and hear Crassus, though they were sensible that he was the cause of all their mischief. But he wrapped his cloak around him, and hid himself, where he lay as an example, to ordinary minds, of the caprice of fortune, but to the wise, of inconsiderateness and ambition; who, not content to be superior to so many millions of men, being inferior to two, esteemed himself as the lowest of all."
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jBrereton posted:Elements of both sides saw themselves as fighting a war against a foreign power, no matter how deranged that opinion may have been. I know and I'm tempted to leave it at that as I'm running on fumes. But the loyalists didn't target in the same way. "I presume there is even now a locust-like horde of journos descending on norn iron ready to go rooting through dustbins and under mattresses looking for juicy scoops on the new kingmakers." This is why this is significant. This conversation is going to be had. Mugsbaloney fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Mister Adequate posted:Alright lads and lasses, seeing as there's a lot of questions about Are Wee Country given the DUP issue, I'm going to put together a small effortpost that can hopefully clear some things up. Bear in mind that I've not actually lived in the province for some time now, and though it's an area of interest, it's not an area I could be called a specialist. You can probably assume that anyone correcting me is more accurate than I am. Also, full disclosure, family of mine was killed in the Shankill Road Bombing of 1993, and I in principle support unification, so various biases may show. Anyway, caveats out of the way, here goes: I've had a lot of English friends suddenly discovering the DUP today and questioning me over how and why such a bunch of shitehawks could be a controlling force in part of the UK in the 21st century, and I've no real explanation as to why they keep getting elected. I have a few ideas, but our local politics are such a clusterfuck that even after living here for decades they're incomprehensible. - Despite all their rhetoric, the DUP are opportunists who saw a political vacuum and moved in. The peace process was the result of the moderate SDLP (nationalist) and UUP (unionist) parties biting the bullet and negotiating with paramilitary groups to bring about an end to violence. Politicians from both parties fell on their swords to break bread with 'the enemy' to deliver the Good Friday Agreement. The DUP played no part in the peace process and stoked fears about it being a capitulation to Irish nationalism by the sell-out UUP. And once the fallout of that idea destroyed the UUP voter base the DUP stepped in to become the dominant Unionist party. - The major UK political parties want nothing to do with NI, so we end up with mental local parties. The Tories have historically been aligned with the Ulster Unionists, but they're a spent force. When May spouts poo poo like "the Conservative and Unionist party" to buddy up to her new DUP pals, she's disingenuously using Unionist as a catch-all phrase. The Tories have never been ideologically aligned with the DUP. Even Tories have limits on the levels of cuntiness they're prepared to endure. Labour still refuses to field candidates here, because they're historically in favour of a united Ireland. I'd vote for a Corbyn man-with-a-jam over any of our politically-inbred lot any day - The only people voting in NI are those who couldn't escape. Brain drain. Rightly or wrongly, the NI education system is regarded as producing above-average students compared to the rest of the UK . We have two very fine universities here but we export so much of our talent. And once you go to uni in a country not run by people who believe dinosaur fossils were buried by Jesus as a trick to test our faith, why the gently caress would you ever go back? The situation is slowly improving, but right now anyone growing up in Norn Iron who has any kind of academic qualification is heading off to greener pastures that pay more and leaving the whole abomination that is NI politics behind.
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Jun 10, 2017 02:08
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TheRat posted:Lord Ashcroft's survey of the vote: I'll never tire of pollsters ability to predict something with absolute confidence, be proven totally wrong, and immediately start offering their expert analysis on why the result turned out that way.
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Jun 10, 2017 02:22
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He may be a waste of skin, but at least he is honest about being a twat, unlike Cleggy. Also, Pissflaps consider him to have downs syndrome, so that is the official view itt.
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Jun 10, 2017 02:23
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Indeed. Quite a few people posted in this thread "Northern Irish people be crazy" and this is perfectly true. Can't deny it. But perhaps now they're seeing why - not only is it a very insular and closed off place, but we have had these fundie nutters/violent nutters in charge for decades and are stuck with them because people vote along tribal lines and respond to fear tactics. We've been trying to tell other people what it's like for years and then we come off as mad because it's so outrageous. We also have generations of people suffering from PTSD because of it, myself included. And yes, anyone who gets out and sees how normal people live normal lives doesn't go back. Myself included.
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loving lol https://twitter.com/SamAirey/status/873336861212717065
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Jun 10, 2017 02:25
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Captain Gordon posted:Why do all utter arseholes always inevitably adopt that lovely loving frog it's the same americans making the same memes every time
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Jun 10, 2017 02:25
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jabby posted:I'll never tire of pollsters ability to predict something with absolute confidence, be proven totally wrong, and immediately start offering their expert analysis on why the result turned out that way. the confidence is wrong, but confidence is what sells polls.... there's just no way to adequately predict a shift in voting patterns, like The Yoot showing up in high numbers. The best you could do is polling people on whether htey think they are likely to vote or not, i suppose.
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Jun 10, 2017 02:25
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jabby posted:I'll never tire of pollsters ability to predict something with absolute confidence, be proven totally wrong, and immediately start offering their expert analysis on why the result turned out that way. Well in this case his pitch is somewhere between "people made up their minds late, foiling pollsters who can't afford every second before the election" and "the youth vote drastically outperformed most people's wildest expectations". Both pretty reasonable, and again, a lot of the election results this year were within the margin or error.
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Guavanaut posted:OP has been updated with new developments and Well gee 
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ultrabindu posted:So in the history of political self owns where does this rank? Well, this was a provincial election in Canada, but probably less of a self-own than Alberta 2015. Alberta has historically been a very right-wing province and for the last several years the competition had been between a mainstream tory party and a far-right bunch of hicks. There were scandals, a new tory premier came in from outside Parliament, and he managed to convince most of the hicks to join his party. He called a snap election right after that, and hosed it up so much that the social democratic party, which had 4/87 seats before the election, won a majority. The tories came in third, behind was remained of the hick party. This was the first provincial election the tories had lost since 1967.
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