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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Sarah Bellum posted:To correct a misgiving in the past few pages, though: Their announcement regarding the breach of the Good Friday Agreement is not an implicit threat of a return to violence, IRA on the streets, gun battles on the peacelines etc. It's a simple "this is an international binding treaty and you cannot break the terms of it as we absolutely will challenge it" warning. They've been sitting quietly with that one up their sleeve in the event of Brexit, holding the legal threat of "You can't Brexit us too, it's in the treaty that we have to stay in the EU and be subject to the ECHR" and waiting for the right time use it. Since they can utterly gently caress up May's government, they've pulled it out now. SF are very, very savvy political players and have an end game in mind. Gerry Adams won't be running to the queen to say the SF members will take their seats, not just because they won't (and that's entirely down to the oath to the queen, not the legitimacy of the UK government, but they also can't do that because they've been quashing rivals like Gerry Carroll of the far left People Before Profit in west Belfast from becoming a serious challenge by yelling from the rooftops that he's a Brit and a traitor and a unionist because he said he'd take the oath) because he's not even involved in politics in the north right now. He's a sitting TD in the Irish Dáil, where SF have been slowly but very surely increasing their presence and influence over the past 15 years. They are purely political players and very adept at turning chaos to their advantage. Stormont will not reform because it suits their interests to not allow it to reform. Theresa May will not form a government with the DUP because SF will not allow her to form a government with the DUP, by taking her to an international tribunal for breaking the terms of the treaty. They can and will be able to pull the same stunt in two years time if they try to take the north out of the EU. The GFA is their trump card and they will play it as and when it suits them. This post is extremely my poo poo. If it turns out that it's actually a breach of international law for DUP MPs to form a coalition with the Tories - at least in exchange for them adopting positions favourable to the unionist point of view in NI - I will lol forever. Edit: In the year 373 the Valens Aqueduct is inaugurated near Constantinople (modern Istanbul); the aqueduct has a length of 971 meters Entropy238 fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Restarting the troubles is the new Boner's Law.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:15
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forkboy84 posted:Although I could probably say the same about Wales.
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Guavanaut posted:Wales is a strong contender for the first place to fly the red flag during a workers' uprising. That's my Cympol (Cymgwl?) input. But there are no workers in Wales no more that's the problem
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Jun 10, 2017 15:22
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forkboy84 posted:It's kind of bad how little most of us know about Northern Irish politics & recent history really. Although I could probably say the same about Wales. Don't worry yourself about it. Here in NI catholic history lessons are about Ireland and not the UK. This is why we are poo poo at UK quiz shows, we couldn't name you what king ruled from X to Y or how many James or Henry's there were . But if the questions were about where and when the English landed and hosed up the place, we would be EINSTEINS
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Jun 10, 2017 15:23
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Guavanaut posted:I like Discordianism, everyone gets to be a Pope, and all Popes are both. One of my favourite examples of Discordian wind-up was Robert Anton Wilson sending a Pope card to Ian Paisley Snr.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:23
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I keep getting flashbacks to May fake laughing in a super condescending way at Corbyn repeating a question she didn't answer in parliament, and it's making me so loving happy considering how everything is shaping up. Also, Cameron shouting about how he should resign because the UK needed a "strong opposition." Get hosed you condescending pieces of poo poo.
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Since data is fun, I looked at the full spreadsheet of election results, and worked out what kind of Labour to Tory swing next election we need to form a government/become the majority party. This is soley looking at swing to Labour needed to take Tory seats 1% swing: Takes 7 seats, leaving Labour on 269, Tories on 312 2% swing: Takes 13 seats, leaving Labour on 275, Tories on 304 Progressive coalition possible 3% swing: Takes 18 seats, leaving Labour on 280, Tories on 299 4% swing: Takes 25 seats, leaving Labour on 287, Tories on 292 5% swing: Takes 30 seats, leaving Labour on 292, Tories on 287 Labour Largest Party This is of course, discounting possible Tory loses/gains from either the Lib Dems or the SNP. But even then, Labour needs a 4% swing from the Tories at least to be the largest party, and a huge 9% swing (roughly same as this election) to get to 305 seats, about Cameron's 2010 level which had a stable coalition for 5 years. So, FPTP still isn't great for labour. Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:I love the repeated statement that the falling pound is good for people in the UK because of cheap exports as if we all run export businesses. Actually, it might be bad when the average person goes to buy a Samsung TV and because of brexit it costs 500 quid more. What will truly gently caress with a lot of businesses is when the average person find out that legally importing from places like gearbest and fasttech cuts out the middle man. These places are like a Chinese Amazon, but it's all sellers or the manufacturers and you are guaranteed that if it says "authentic" then it's legit and "clone" is a knock off, where as in a lot of shops you are not.
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Malcolm XML posted:But there are no workers in Wales no more that's the problem No jobs, no workers, no harvesters, no nandos.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:24
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Guys I totally live near Belfast and I just heard that one of the DUP's conditions is that Theresa May will be made to join the Women's Loyalist Orange Order and wear a sash during all government business and official public appearances. 
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Jun 10, 2017 15:24
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I am going to laugh really really really really really hard if Sein Feinn fucks over Mays attempt to run a disaster government
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Jun 10, 2017 15:25
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happyhippy posted:Don't worry yourself about it. Yeah, Scotland has a similar deal in that we learned gently caress all about English history pre-union. I think we did something on 1066 but that's about it. Anyway, it seems like a good time to remind people that since we've got a really rubbish government with no majority, an unpopular PM & all that jazz, make sure you take this time to get your pals to register to vote as we've no idea when another election could happen. Could be as soon as before 2017 is done.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:26
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Can you even imagine how poo poo you'd have to be to gently caress up so spectacularly at politics that you end up having to lick big, fat, hairy orangemen's arses to try to cling onto power 
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Jun 10, 2017 15:28
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When Britain leaned reactionary it could ignore the Irish; when Britain leaned liberal it could not summon the will to restrain Ulster's furious objections. This is ultimately a problem determined by historical and material forces, if you like. There was a point when the technological and organisational envelopes overlapped to fortuitously align the stars at Westminster with a rude surprise for Ulster, but then World War One intervened. And thereafter it was too late. The conditions of the long 19th century were over. You'll notice that even in the continent, national agglomerations swung into reverse - Germany made it over the finish line, but Scandinavism never did, etc. The problem would only be "solved", nearly a century later, by technological and cultural shifts allowing even a minimal effort from London to still prevent Ulster protestants from vetoing London's own interests. Is the Center in fact prepared to openly order soldiers to use lethal force on protesters, if necessary? If not, then it isn't really committed to the project. The problem still plagues contemporary governments that face such steep internal tensions - the answer, as the Chinese and the Russians and the Iranians well know, is that the state has to move soldiers within the country so that the agents of the nation-state do not feel conflicting sub-national loyalties. It's still possible - but no government in Westminster would think this way nowadays.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:28
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So, any estimates on when the country's gonna get its poo poo together? Will we have fusion power by then?
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Jun 10, 2017 15:28
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crispix posted:Can you even imagine how poo poo you'd have to be to gently caress up so spectacularly at politics that you end up having to lick big, fat, hairy orangemen's arses to try to cling onto power I don't think we have to imagine, we're going to be watching it on the news. Kind of like that episode of Black Mirror
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Jun 10, 2017 15:29
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Raeg posted:I am going to laugh really really really really really hard if Sein Feinn fucks over Mays attempt to run a disaster government I would hope Sinn Fein was not our only defense against this poo poo show alliance. It'd be nice if our own Country could perhaps get the will to power to not let the theocratic terrorists into power.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:29
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Weirdly, we did quite a bit of pre-Union history at my school. Wars of the Roses, the Tudors and such. Exact same teacher also did Culloden and the Clearances with us, the latter of which seems rare even within Scotland.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:30
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Country seems very divided on all fronts. Probably the worst I have seen it in decades from a politics perspective.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:30
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Remember that time Vince made people kiss Rikishi's arse?
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communism bitch posted:*in an extremely thomas aquinas voice* um actually I think you'll find that the ultimate authority of god's will is the holy spirit made manifest in the entire body of the church *man dressed in rags smelling of dogshit busts through the wall* excuse me, i think you'll find that gods will can only be found through my self help book that costs 300 pounds and you can only speak to him if you buy my complete set of orgone crystals for 300 payments of 20 quid, all available from my christian healing and science centre.
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spud posted:Country seems very divided on all fronts. Probably the worst I have seen it in decades from a politics perspective. spud posted:Hey something really bad just happened in the UK, I will head over to DnD to see wha........nah......Still not working on reality like ordinary people.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:32
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I have not read the text of the Good Friday Agreement, but surely this would be massively against it in spirit, even if not technically breaking it?
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Regarde Aduck posted:I would hope Sinn Fein was not our only defense against this poo poo show alliance. It'd be nice if our own Country could perhaps get the will to power to not let the theocratic terrorists into power. I can't imagine the Scottish Tory and libertarian win being enthused but my they'd need to be hella ambitious to do something about it.
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Drone_Fragger posted:*man dressed in rags smelling of dogshit busts through the wall* excuse me, i think you'll find that gods will can only be found through my self help book that costs 300 pounds and you can only speak to him if you buy my complete set of orgone crystals for 300 payments of 20 quid, all available from my christian healing and science centre. Please..... don't doxx my weird neighbour
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Jun 10, 2017 15:33
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I mean we only need what, 6 Tory MPs out of 318 to not be morally bankrupt shits to avoid letting the Irish Taliban into power? Yeah I guess they're getting in, huh.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:33
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communism bitch posted:gently caress off, oval office. That's not very nice.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:34
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It's really too bad that the GFA did not include any mechanisms by which actually-scandal-ridden politicians could be ejected, perhaps by mutual agreement of Leinster House and Westminster, say.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:34
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CottonWolf posted:I have not read the text of the Good Friday Agreement, but surely this would be massively against it in spirit, even if not technically breaking it? I really really hope his family does not find out that it is in a BBC newsflash.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:34
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Acaila posted:Weirdly, we did quite a bit of pre-Union history at my school. Wars of the Roses, the Tudors and such. Exact same teacher also did Culloden and the Clearances with us, the latter of which seems rare even within Scotland. We actually did the Clearances in Primary School. Coz it's not just national history but local history. Always really stuck with me.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:36
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With all the excitement of the last few days I'd missed this story: Not even Paul Nuttall voted for Paul Nuttall because he's registered 120 miles away from where he's standing
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Jun 10, 2017 15:36
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learnincurve posted:I really really hope his family does not find out that it is in a BBC newsflash. Oooof. Dark.
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Regarde Aduck posted:No jobs, no workers, no harvesters, no nandos. EmptyVessel posted:One of my favourite examples of Discordian wind-up was Robert Anton Wilson sending a Pope card to Ian Paisley Snr.  crispix posted:Can you even imagine how poo poo you'd have to be to gently caress up so spectacularly at politics that you end up having to lick big, fat, hairy orangemen's arses to try to cling onto power Acaila posted:Weirdly, we did quite a bit of pre-Union history at my school. Wars of the Roses, the Tudors and such. Exact same teacher also did Culloden and the Clearances with us, the latter of which seems rare even within Scotland.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:37
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crispix posted:Can you even imagine how poo poo you'd have to be to gently caress up so spectacularly at politics that you end up having to lick big, fat, hairy orangemen's arses to try to cling onto power ULSTER SAYS NO.......W BEND OVER
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I don't think we have to imagine, we're going to be watching it on the news. Kind of like that episode of Black Mirror It'll be fun if GB sees these headbangers on television on the reg as we in NI have for decades. They don't bother to censor their hateful views because that actually makes their base think they might be going a bit soft. It'll be a loving poo poo show.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I mean we only need what, 6 Tory MPs out of 318 to not be morally bankrupt shits to avoid letting the Irish Taliban into power? Let's hope parliament just goes by election crazy!
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Jun 10, 2017 15:38
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forkboy84 posted:We actually did the Clearances in Primary School. Coz it's not just national history but local history. Always really stuck with me. We did too, but that was in Paisley. I think it was just a teacher's pet subject. 
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Tenebrais posted:Apparently elderly turnout was high as ever. I was surprised, I'd have thought they'd have been more suppressed by the Tory mainfesto. If they're any think like my nan they just tick the Tory box and don't read any manifesto
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dispatch_async posted:With all the excitement of the last few days I'd missed this story: Reminder that half a million racist fucks voted for UKIP even if they didn't gain any seats. They could have their own little racist corner of the country.
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