ronya posted:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/9686308320

also, for the first time ever I believe:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/873649515374534656

Joda posted:

Yet the membership of the supposed leftist party rejected Bernie.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

I'm almost certain she's being kept there. This whole thing is to foster an image of an unruly party she will defeat and take back her place as are Iron Lady mkii.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

I'm almost certain she's being kept there. This whole thing is to foster an image of an unruly party she will defeat and take back her place as are Iron Lady mkii.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

No one could possibly want to continue on in her position though surely? And who would want to take over at the moment? Puppet PM makes more sense.

TomViolence posted:

Remember the current crop of cunts are the bottom of the barrel. The ghouls, the freaks, the rejects. May herself, the pick of the runty litter, is a perpetually outraged gargoyle who falls apart under the harsh light of day, none of these moist-palmed fuckwits have their poo poo even remotely together.

TomViolence posted:

Am I right in thinking the tories won't be able to continue to negotiate with terrorists today, it being the sabbath?

If so, what does this mean for our news day I wonder.

ronya posted:

that's a pretty big jump

also, the Sunday Times wants to put the knife in, but its fingers keep slipping

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/873645604030820352

Populist hard Brexiteer? Or pro-business soft Brexit? Questions, questions...

OwlFancier posted:

Yyyyyep. While Labour spent much of its post-blair time devoid of talent, so did the conservatives after Cameron. It's almost like building the entire party on one charismatic person is a bad idea!

R. Guyovich posted:

are you implying cameron had charisma

R. Guyovich posted:

are you implying cameron had charisma

hit button posted:

spectralent posted:

They can't, though. Weak coalitions are now incredibly fragile because of the fixed term parliament act.

Josef bugman posted:

So, and this is pure hypothetical, can the Conservatives just not propose any legislation over the next 5 years?

Like, if they are scared of not getting it through government, why not just put through small bills from various local causes that don't cause much of a fuss?

Hoops posted:

I think I'm also in the camp of "people are counting their chickens with a re-run of the election". Corbyn turned it around massively and the Tories absolutely clown car fell apart. Both of these things happened to a much greater degree than appeared likely at the start of the campaign.

But it is about perception. Look at how things can change so quickly, sometimes I think it's about nothing but perception. Corbyn is now established as the real (and quite powerful) opposition leader and his manifesto is popular and good. Labour are back in business and will be for a while. But they ran out of runway for momentum and aren't campaigning any more. If the Tories don't have another improbably poor period of basic politics then they will quite quickly re-establish the same old tropes. From a "reversion to the mean" perspective, I'm not convinced enough yet that Labour have managed to move the mean far enough that they won't see a partial swing back to the Tories.

V. Illych L. posted:

in a twist of fate, brexit turns the Tories into what labour was for a while - Corbyn elected PM with a majority of 150, 60% of the vote share

V. Illych L. posted:

in a twist of fate, brexit turns the Tories into what labour was for a while - Corbyn elected PM with a majority of 150, 60% of the vote share

TomViolence posted:

https://twitter.com/dannydyerbot/status/873791241804275713

"The Good Hitchens posted:

The laughable failure of Mrs Theresa May’s empty, tremulous campaign was in fact predictable. I suspected it would happen. But I mostly kept quiet about it here for the past few weeks.

This was not because I have any time for Mrs May and her feeble, politically correct government, but because I did not much want to help Jeremy Corbyn either. And at election time, there’s no room for neutrality.

There’s one good outcome. This farcical unwanted Election must surely have shown everyone a key fact – we now live in a country where the supposed natural party of government can no longer really command a majority.

That’s like having a fridge that doesn’t keep your food fresh, or a bicycle with no wheels. If we had any sense (do we?) we’d dump this dead, rotting faction in the nearest skip or landfill, and find a new one to replace it. The Tories failed on Thursday because they have long believed in nothing and are interested only in being in office.

They won in 2015 only because of a grotesque splurge of millionaire donations, and ultra-expensive black magic techniques, which partly made up for the collapse of their once-majestic membership and the machine it supported.

They are, in effect, a zombie party, lurching and shuffling along in a procession of the undead, thanks to transfusions of money and the BBC’s ancient broadcasting rules, which guarantee them air time.

What happened next must be one of the strangest chapters in our history. Labour (which had itself become a zombie party under Blairite control) changed its leadership election rules, and accidentally made it possible for a real socialist to win. You’d never get a real conservative coming to the top of the Tory Party, which has elaborate mechanisms in place to stop that happening.

Odder still, the man who won, Jeremy Corbyn, was astonishingly old-fashioned, a country-bred grammar school boy brought up by parents who had taken part in the great political struggles of the 1930s.

He is out of his time, which is no bad thing. To see him address a rally in modern Britain (as I have done) is a bit like going to the station to catch your regular commuter service, and finding a steam train waiting at the platform – surprising, nostalgic, wheezy and ancient, more or less certain to break down, but wonderfully picturesque.

It struck me as I watched him that he was far more dangerous than the Tories thought he was. His absolute courtesy and refusal to make personal attacks appealed to many in my generation who remember a different and in some ways better Britain.

His realisation that George Osborne’s supposed economic miracle was a sham, and that many have lost hope of getting steady, well-paid jobs or secure homes, appealed to the young. He may not have any actual answers to these questions, but he at least knew they were being asked. His absolute opposition to the repeated stupid wars of recent years also has a wide appeal, in many cases to conservative-minded people and Service families sick of the waste of good lives.

A genuinely patriotic, socially conservative party might have had a proper response to these things. But the Tory Party is not that. It is just a cold machine which runs on gallons of expensive snake oil. So it decided to attack Mr Corbyn personally.

This bounced off him. In fact, the long Tory assault on Mr Corbyn was his greatest asset. When the campaign began, and people had a chance to see what he was really like, especially his dogged politeness under fire, they did that rather moving thing that British people do when they see a lone individual besieged by foes. They sided with him against his tormentors.

It was no good raving about Mr Corbyn’s Sinn Fein connections, when the Tories have themselves compelled the Queen to have the grisly IRA gangster Martin McGuinness to dinner at Windsor.

It’s not much good attacking his defence policy when the Tories have cut the Army to ribbons and the decrepit remnants of the Navy sit motionless by the dockside, thanks to Tory cheeseparing. And now there’s an even bigger problem.

The young, who used not to bother, have begun to vote in large numbers, and Jeremy Corbyn has persuaded them to do it. Labour’s 40 per cent of the vote, almost 13 million ballots, reflects this.

The Tories cannot rely forever on the fact that older voters turn out more reliably. This is the last warning conservative-minded people in this country are likely to get.

Unless they can find their own Corbyn, a principled and genuinely patriotic leadership, no amount of money, and no amount of slick technique can save them from a revived and newly confident Left.

They failed to win this Election. There’s a strong chance they will actually lose the next one.

TomViolence posted:

ahahaha it just gets better and better

TomViolence posted:

ahahaha it just gets better and better

Mister Adequate posted:

I'm trying and failing to even guess at May's thought processes in staying on. She knows she got a shellacking that, while severe only in party terms compared to Cameron loving the entire country over like it's a dead pig, is otherwise pretty drat close to unprecedented in modern British political history. No other fucker's ever hoisted themselves that badly when there was no need to whatsoever. She had to know the knives would be out, hell they were already starting on election night (cf. Anna Soubry), and that she'd be an unbelievably crippled premier in every regard whilst the once-friendly media savages her for loving up and is trying to get Boris in.

I suppose it's just difficult for me to wrap my head around that degree of self-assuredness and arrogance. I can understand the regular Tory amount of it but having enough to be on course for destroying the entire party is another matter.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

You realise that he's calling for Oswald Mosely 2: This Time With Better Facial Hair to take over the Tories, right?