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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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It doesn't matter what you earn, flaps. The made class is a lie. You can still gently caress off though.
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Pissflaps posted:Actually, this is exactly what you're doing by suggesting that I - who have the temerity to disagree with you - do not have correct opinions to be a working class person. Not at all, old bean, because I consider Coohoolin, for all his faults, to be Scottish. I'm saying that as an arbiter for what is or isn't Authentic you're no better an authority than I am. And also a huge prick.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:28
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Fans posted:Ascot has large stages and PA systems you can use to address crowds now? I thought it was horse racing. Sounds like it's got crazy down there. jeremy corbyn walks onto the track as the race starts, "excuse me," taps microphone, "I would like to talk for a second about inequality in-", and is mowed down by ten horses at once, this is what Piers Morgan sees when he dreams, this is the vision he has to share with us
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Jun 25, 2017 00:29
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Miftan posted:It doesn't matter what you earn, flaps. The made class is a lie. You can still gently caress off though. You just said you agreed with this: quote:he's comparing it to you, who are proudly working class, despite having a bunch of things incongruent with being working class (like how much you are paid, and your profession) What is it about me that you struggle to reconcile with a working class person? TomViolence posted:Not at all, old bean, because I consider Coohoolin, for all his faults, to be Scottish. I'm saying that as an arbiter for what is or isn't Authentic you're no better an authority than I am. I'm not acting as an arbiter of what is or is not authentically working class. That's what you're doing.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:29
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Glastonbury gets by despite its huge costs because the artists themselves do it for barely a fraction of their usual fee. Such is the mythos and legendary status of this event. I imagine that wouldn't change under corbyn. And also I wish this meme about everyone here being middle class would die off. Yes, the tickets are expensive, but all of that is put into the festival, the eavises are not making big profits out of it. The financing scheme is £20 per month and it gives you plenty of time to get the money together. There is a poo poo tonne of people here from all walks of life. Barring the posh toffs who live in prebuilt tents and exclusive campsites, everybody is on a similar level here, it is an equaliser and there is something for everyone. The only other complaint is food prices, and I wish there was a way that could be brought under control a bit. But you can bring as much cheap food and drink as you want into the festival, unlike other places that will limit that to force you to buy from vendors.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:32
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not acting as an arbiter of what is or is not authentically working class. That's what you're doing. see this is what happens when you try to have a discussion with pissflaps, when will you people learn
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Jun 25, 2017 00:32
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Pissflaps posted:I have never once posted in this thread how much I am paid, nor what my profession is. How do you know this information? You're a computer toucher. Computer touchers all sound the same.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:32
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Pissflaps posted:I have never once posted in this thread how much I am paid, nor what my profession is. How do you know this information? quote:Sorry I must have missed it could you link or quote it? Sure! CoolCab posted:efforts of fairness, you've talked about nationalizing Glastonbury before
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Jun 25, 2017 00:33
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Pissflaps posted:You just said you agreed with this: But you at least concede to being a huge prick. Progress.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:33
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CoolCab posted:I'm going off what Renegade Aduck posted upthread Never a good idea. quote:Sure! Yes I did see this and you're absolutely right they're good examples of a more accessible festival format.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:35
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CoolCab posted:I'm going off what Renegade Aduck posted upthread Oh god sorry. I'm just going off a gut feeling and bluffing. I once had a meltdown and called coohoolin a terrorist. Sometimes I sneeze too hard and am filled with feelings of false authority. Pissflaps posted:Never a good idea. It hurts when you say it.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:37
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Surely everyone in the thread is either lumpenprole or working class? Is anyone landlord or owner of a business?
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Jun 25, 2017 00:37
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Tigey posted:The right-wing rags absolutely adore writing those kind of fantasy scenarios - like "The First 100 Days in Prime Minister Corbyns Britain", or "What if Remain won - what would have happened in the next 5 years if Britain stayed in the EU" - I see them fairly often in the Mail on the occasions I have to read it. This is also part of a general strategy to discredit anything positive for their political enemies. Corbyn's speech getting mass applause at Glastonbury is illegitimate because A) they'll applaud anyone who promises them free toys B) they're all middle class champagne socialists anyway C) they're children who don't understand the real world D) what was he doing there anyway, he should have been honouring veterans instead (never mind that he did that as well as Glastonbury* - plenty of people will never hear about that because the right wing rags won't tell them). It works on their core audience who don't expose themselves to other news sources, but thankfully not on everyone. *Seems we were misinformed about this - he didn't. I withdraw this point. Though cherrypicking information to support their views is something the tabloids regularly do. Edit: Oh great, we're discussing Pissflaps. Braggart fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 00:40
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CoolCab posted:"sure, i just completely confused two artists who's career peaks were roughly thirty loving years apart and assigned some fantasy nonsense about a specific song i've clearly never listened to, but, trust me - killer mike is a crazy conspiracy theorist" As opposed to these totally not made up lyrics in a song produced and performed by El-P: Feeling Ignorant - Company Flow posted:If it wasn't for Microsoft, you faggots wouldn't have no fans Some serious death of the author needs applying here.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:41
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Pissflaps posted:Never a good idea. Fair! But for real, I am sorry - I made the mistake of assuming that because you have an interest in computers you must be in the field, which is preposterous - I used to post in Trad Games a long time ago, and I'm certainly not a game developer. I do not apologize lightly, and when I do, I mean it. Again- I'm sorry. quote:Yes I did see this and you're absolutely right they're good examples of a more accessible festival format. Thanks! I think you absolutely could expand this sort of thing to make a sort of state sponsored Glastonbury like event - or far better, a bunch of small Glastonburies, where everyone, regardless of their personal economic status or geography, would be able to access world class talent as well as experience things outside their conventional worldview - watching Lorde live in Glasgow (she's got a PHENOMINAL stage presence and performance) made me a fan of something I'd never even think of trying previously.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:42
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He hasn't denied he's a computer man. If I'm right I want my name cleared, even the bit about calling Coohoolin a terrorist.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:43
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Jedit posted:As opposed to these totally not made up lyrics in a song produced and performed by El-P: I was defending Killer Mike, not El-P. e: and also note the use of homophobic slurs in the late 90s-early 2000s by any number of artists is absolutely lovely, not something I defend, and I would sincerely hope El-P had attempted to make amends for since.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:45
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I'm not really much interested in live music tbh. Don't really see the appeal.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:47
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CoolCab posted:run the jewels loving rules if you've never heard them props to that vid tho' has trump hosed his youngest yet?
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Jun 25, 2017 00:52
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Surely everyone in the thread is either lumpenprole or working class? Is anyone landlord or owner of a business? When I did my tax return today I included both rental income and income from a business I nominally run. I also work another job full time. My total income still fell well below the UK median 
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Jun 25, 2017 00:53
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Regarde Aduck posted:You're a computer toucher. Computer touchers all sound the same. don't equate me with p.flaps ever again. there's a good duck.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:55
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Night10194 posted:One thing I'm not quite certain I understand. Is Corbyn for or against Brexit? I know he wants a less insane version of it than May, but is that more out of 'This is probably unstoppable at this point let's try to make a softer landing' or what? Labour want to protect jobs and rights and also expressed interest in remaining within the customs union but leaving the single market, which is probably crazy pants territory but is a reasonable sign of wanting "soft" brexit. If Labour get in post-brexit they might actually be able to do something good with it by nationalising stuff while avoiding EU competition laws that'd make this harder or impossible and if they get in before it's possible they might agree to a second referendum or something when everyone inevitably decides it was a loving awful idea.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:59
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https://twitter.com/Liam_O_Hare/status/878742036165394432 Corbyn has developed a pretty awesome sense of humour in the last few years.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:00
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Call me a idiot savant, but would it not be prudent of any party to suggest a second referendum, now that enough people have publicly shat themselves?
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Jun 25, 2017 01:02
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The idiotcunts who want hard brexit may be in the minority but they're a loud, angry minority that control the national conversation and no political party that can adequately read the public mood would risk their ire.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:04
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staberind posted:Call me a idiot savant, but would it not be prudent of any party to suggest a second referendum, now that enough people have publicly shat themselves? Nah, this is still far too tenuous. We really need the brexiteer's nose rubbed in it so only idiot die-hards are going to pretend it wasn't obviously looking like a total disaster. The basic issue is anyone political who proposes a change of course looks like the liberal elite betraying the will of the people, which is what did this stupid thing in the first place because people have had enough of experts. While that's an objectively moronic thing to say, it sadly does describe an awful lot of people's views. There basically needs to be a gut bellyfeel in the country that this is bad, not any of this silly "objective, provable facts anyone can check if they're not stupid or lazy" thing because you know all about the liberal bias with "facts". spectralent fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 01:08
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It's kind of silly for blaming the working class for not trusting 'experts' when both parties had been holding up austerity economists and other neoliberal shits. Like, if they didn't want that to happen maybe they shouldn't have shoved idiots in front of cameras and called them experts.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:13
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Mister Adequate posted:Sylvanas 4 death. Our last dog was named Sylvanas by my children, she was sweet and lovely and we were all mortified when she died
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Jun 25, 2017 01:14
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I do get the sense that the general direction of public opinion is slowly beginning to shift against Brexit, particularly given the Tories' election fiasco, May being a caretaker PM, and the perception they are mishandling the negotiations due to incompetence. However it is still has a long way to go before any call for a second referendum would be accepted. Right now it would be screamed down by the hard Brexiteer minority as a betrayal/high treason, and the person/party suggesting it would be slaughtered politically. Its possible the public mood will continue to turn against Brexit, particularly if the negotiations are a public shitshow, but there's a good chance it won't shift far enough in time.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:17
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staberind posted:Call me a idiot savant, but would it not be prudent of any party to suggest a second referendum, now that enough people have publicly shat themselves? no. consider the two alternatives to that vote: Leave wins: this is used as proof positive that a hard Brexit is clearly what the public wants. an entire new crowd of right radicals are created/awakened during the election campaign, and due to the inevitable "stab in the back" perception caused by having a second referendum they wind up more convinced they need to vote in the most awful reactionary party imaginable simply to prevent a third. also, a generation of centrists are utterly discredited and left wing Leavers are marginalized. fascism. Remain wins: the hardcore Brexit brigade are taught a lesson that "democracy doesn't work". not every Leave voter was a horrible racist thug, but pretty much every horrible racist thug voted Leave. civil unrest. a spike in hate crimes. a spike in people voting for awful reactionary parties now with moral high ground. fascism.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:19
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not really much interested in live music tbh. Well, it's really good fun. Gets the blood pumping, the adrenaline rushing through your veins. So many times I've come out just on a completely natural high, it's wonderful. Your mileage may vary, depends on the type of music, the size of the venue, all these things. Plus plenty bands just sound better live than on record because they feed off the atmosphere. And then you have bands who have to be experienced live, either they have an amazing, fun visual show like Flaming Lips or Rammstein, or because they are SunnO))) and you spend the set just literally being pummelled by soundwaves, which is the sort of thing that you can only appreciate live unless you happen to have an amazing PA hooked up to your hifi system and no neighbours to worry about loving off with the volume. Last band I saw live, about 6 weeks ago, just a really basic but fun visual trick. The room was filled with fog from a fog machine, thickest I've ever seen at a gig, and each band member had a miners torch strapped to their head, so all you can see of them through the fog is right lights bobbing up and down. It looked pretty neat. I had a time where after being attacked at a Faith No More concert I found it super hard to go into gigs, and when I did make it in I just couldn't enjoy it, was racked with anxiety. They were the shittest 2 years of my adulthood thus far. Sometimes you get annoyed, people pushing into you and being rude and throwing beers at the stage for some reason which mean you get covered in it, people being obnoxious towards a support band you've paid money to come watch, and sometimes you just can't be arsed getting bashed about by the moshpit, and some venues have shite acoustics and sometimes bands have off nights, but the good times I've had heavily outweigh the bad. I strongly recommend it, but get some decent earplugs. It doesn't just save your hearing, it makes the music sound better.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:19
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CoolCab posted:no. consider the two alternatives to that vote: Lib Dems secretly hoping to usher in fascism then?
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Jun 25, 2017 01:23
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Maugrim posted:Lib Dems secretly hoping to usher in fascism then? If the Lib dems had got a majority* then it would be a case of democracy working**. * lol ** by which I mean they wouldn't call a second referendum because they're lib dems and treachery is in their manifesto.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:26
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Maugrim posted:Lib Dems secretly hoping to usher in fascism then? no, they like all liberals before them simply prefer it to socialism
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Jun 25, 2017 01:26
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A second referendum would end the same way as the first and all it would accomplish is Farage back on the telly and a potential revival of Ukip.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:29
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Neurolimal posted:It's kind of silly for blaming the working class for not trusting 'experts' when both parties had been holding up austerity economists and other neoliberal shits. You're assuming this is the fault of experts rather than the political class. If there are 10,000 scientists saying climate change is real and 100 saying it isn't, and politicians get one of each on the news to have a "debate", who's fault is that?
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Jun 25, 2017 01:36
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The problem with a second referendum is that it exposes the stupidity of direct democracy. Namely that it's silly to use a one-time poll of an ill-informed public to try and set the direction of the country in a complex and rapidly changing political and economic environment. Trying to reverse Brexit with another referendum would be using a referendum to demonstrate the stupidity of deciding things via referendum. It wouldn't work, and the political backlash would be extreme.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:37
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https://twitter.com/rabbitandcoffee/status/878764217460940800 https://twitter.com/InsidersABC/status/878766306261999616
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Jun 25, 2017 01:53
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https://twitter.com/jarvis_this/status/878725670242856961 So much right-wing anger that Corbyn did so well at Glastonbury. Sooo much.
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The only time I'd see a second referendum is once the deal is decided near the end of two years, putting it to the public as a "Are you sure about this guys?" kind of thing once our new relationship to the EU (being it's bitch) is clear. If there's no details, it would just end a rerun of the last one where everyone is voting for their personal brexit.
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