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Sinteres posted:The House said their first attempt to pass it was the last chance too, so even if they say this week is absolutely the last word on the subject, there's no reason they can't try again later if it fails. Yeah at this point I'm expecting the same thing as the House: initially blocked, a month later after all the negative press dies down, they pass something even worse anyway Still a month gained is a month gained
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Majorian posted:My understanding is that people in Alaska would suffer massively if Medicaid got cut, too. Health care costs are insane there, and people need to get airlifted to hospitals all the time. yeah, but with $700b in medicaid cuts and a $200b slush fund, some relatively simple math suggests that if McConnell really needed to, he could easily pay for a "medicaid cuts, except for alaska, which gets an extra 5% medicaid bonus because of...reasons" the only problem is then you've got every other expansion state senator asking for an equally huge handout and 200b might not be enough to go around, and might piss off lee/cruz enough they torpedo it with paul
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I found the GOP legislative agenda explained in under 30 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUCILq6J2yU
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Snuffman posted:A bit off topic, but its obvious that Trump's primary motivator at the moment is to de-assemble Obama's legacy no matter the cost. Really, Gorusch is going to be the Trump's lasting legacy (aside from the deligitimazation of a bunch of poo poo and griftopia).
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah at this point I'm expecting the same thing as the House: initially blocked, a month later after all the negative press dies down, they pass something even worse anyway They can't just keep passing reconciliation bills over and over again.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah at this point I'm expecting the same thing as the House: initially blocked, a month later after all the negative press dies down, they pass something even worse anyway Like I said I'm pretty sure they are coming up on hard deadlines that will lose them a reconciliation bill, not soft deadlines they set themselves. And they need to do the budget/keep the lights on/not destroy the financial system in the same time period.
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Cheesus posted:I'm guessing the biggest roadblock is either cost or a central point of responsibility. Yeah, I thought of that. You could probably get 100 people to agree to it but making sure everyone paid up would be a hassle. I just wondered if there was anything technically stopping it if someone could hammer out the logistics.
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Best case is health care dies and we get to spend August asking them why rich people need a huge tax cut.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Please don't neglect the brain. lmao.
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mcmagic posted:Best case is health care dies and we get to spend August asking them why rich people need a huge tax cut. they have all year to pass tax cuts for the rich, they'll have until the next election basically.
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I do find it interesting that the number of Republican Senators opposed to even the motion to proceed is increasing by the day. Either they see a sinking ship or they are trying to bargain with McConnell. Hard to say really, but we are at 5 confirmed Nos and a few others have not said where they stand yet.
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evilweasel posted:yeah, but with $700b in medicaid cuts and a $200b slush fund, some relatively simple math suggests that if McConnell really needed to, he could easily pay for a "medicaid cuts, except for alaska, which gets an extra 5% medicaid bonus because of...reasons" Yeah, plus that poo poo is being reported on a lot now, which is, uh, not going to ameliorate the reaction against the repeal, I'm guessing. If this bill goes down in flames, which is looking increasingly likely, I will feel so much Schadenfreude, it's obscene.
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evilweasel posted:they have all year to pass tax cuts for the rich, they'll have until the next election basically. Nothing big gets done in an election year.
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evilweasel posted:And they need to do the budget/keep the lights on/not destroy the financial system in the same time period. You say need, they think "want"
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mcmagic posted:Nothing big gets done in an election year. they can't get hard votes done like the boarder-adjustment tax or tax reform instead of tax cuts, but the bat and tax reform are dead and they're just doing tax cuts republicans believe tax cuts are a positive thing to run on as long as there's a token cut below the top bracket
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:You say need, they think "want" budget is a "need" to pass tax cuts, its a prerequisite for the 2018 reconciliation bill and for some reason the HFC won't accept a "TBD, but with reconciliation instructions" (this is what they did to get the Obamacare reconciliation bill) and is causing a whole mess not nuking the financial system is a "need" for their wealthy donors who have their money in the global financial system letting the government shut down, that they can tolerate
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Majorian posted:Yeah, plus that poo poo is being reported on a lot now, which is, uh, not going to ameliorate the reaction against the repeal, I'm guessing. I just want to see how the republicans deal with not getting through the only thing they've tried to do for the last 4 - 6 years.
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FilthyImp posted:Really, Gorusch is going to be the Trump's lasting legacy (aside from the deligitimazation of a bunch of poo poo and griftopia). We'll be lucky if it's just Gorsuch. Chances are he will get another SCOTUS seat.
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La Brea Carpet posted:I found the GOP legislative agenda explained in under 30 seconds: I can do it quicker than 30 seconds 
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FlamingLiberal posted:I do find it interesting that the number of Republican Senators opposed to even the motion to proceed is increasing by the day. Either they see a sinking ship or they are trying to bargain with McConnell. Hard to say really, but we are at 5 confirmed Nos and a few others have not said where they stand yet. Big doors swing on little hinges--a lot of Senators will hold their nose and vote for a bad bill just so they're not the one who made it fail, but as soon as they start concluding it definitely ISN'T going to pass then there will be a rush for the exits to avoid having voted for something terrible that didn't even pass. This thing either barely passes or fails hard.
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I always knew Cilizza was awful, but goddamn https://twitter.com/bendreyfuss/status/879502158869270533
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Obama 2012 posted:Big doors swing on little hinges--a lot of Senators will hold their nose and vote for a bad bill just so they're not the one who made it fail, but as soon as they start concluding it definitely ISN'T going to pass then there will be a rush for the exits to avoid having voted for something terrible that didn't even pass. This thing either barely passes or fails hard. Also, if it is going to fail, it is to the GOP's benefit to make sure it fails hard to diffuse Trump's rage and desire for revenge among too many targets. If it barely fails by one vote, then Trump will do everything he can to kill those one or two senators with fire, but if it barely gets even 40 votes, there will be too many targets for Trump's wrath to be effective, and the base might pause and wonder if maybe the bill sucked after all
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StdNormDist posted:
Yeah, I made the mistake of posting that before I saw it had been discussed but this thread moves so loving fast I'm never sure wha't been brought up. I'm sure that's one of the biggest obstacles to moving towards a different model. Too Big to Fail and all that. But something's got to give. I don't think capitalism in general has enough gas in the tank to be sustainable. We seem to be like in the final rounds of a game of Monopoly where where 4 out of the 5 players are down to one property. I can't think of another way to look at it. Problem is, half of the remaining players have convinced themselves that ENTERING the game at this stage is somehow fair. I can't parse the fact that so many of my coworkers, some of whom are worse off than me, keep siding with supply siders and tax cut hawks.
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DaveWoo posted:I always knew Cilizza was awful, but goddamn He's like the "autistic reporter" character on The Onion: "Yes, many people will die if the bill passes, but the bill will survive, and that is what is important! Process! Also trains!" Rigel posted:Also, if it is going to fail, it is to the GOP's benefit to make sure it fails hard to diffuse Trump's rage and desire for revenge among too many targets. If it barely fails by one vote, then Trump will do everything he can to kill those one or two senators with fire, but if it barely gets even 40 votes, there will be too many targets for Trump's wrath to be effective, and the base might pause and wonder if maybe the bill sucked after all It would be great if more Republican legislators took this mentality more often.
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Rigel posted:Also, if it is going to fail, it is to the GOP's benefit to make sure it fails hard to diffuse Trump's rage and desire for revenge among too many targets. If it barely fails by one vote, then Trump will do everything he can to kill those one or two senators with fire, but if it barely gets even 40 votes, there will be too many targets for Trump's wrath to be effective, and the base might pause and wonder if maybe the bill sucked after all Yeah, everyone expects that either this passes with exactly 50 votes, or it fails with, like, 35. McConnell has reportedly promised Trump a vote though and I think he figures that win or lose, only a vote is putting this to bed so I think he'll follow through.
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Majorian posted:It would be great if more Republican legislators took this mentality more often. They do. That's why lots of house moderates defected on Trumpcare 1.0 when it was clear it was going down, and all voted for Trumpcare 2.0 once it would pass with their votes.
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evilweasel posted:They do. That's why lots of house moderates defected on Trumpcare 1.0 when it was clear it was going down, and all voted for Trumpcare 2.0 once it would pass with their votes. Yeah, I just mean if they were a little more gun-shy, who knows. Maybe they wouldn't even try for poo poo that could just barely squeak by. I'm just fantasizing.
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Oracle posted:They need to get that Taiwanese news show with the 3D animation on the job. Complete with voiceovers for the reporters and Sean Spicer.
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Now for a quick moment we all can enjoy. https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/879734856846127104
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Isn't "the opioid crisis" a direct result of our free market approach to healthcare in conjunction with our draconian drug laws and the DEA cracking down on pills which lead more to people to heroin? I can't think of a more capitalistic driven market than the illicit drug trade (supply and demand/pay up or get lost) and now, shockingly, we find ourselves in the midst of a seemingly insurmountable drug problem created by big pharma as well as covert wars.
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farraday posted:Now for a quick moment we all can enjoy. "gently caress OFF YE ROTTEN oval office!" *click*
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Majorian posted:Yeah, plus that poo poo is being reported on a lot now, which is, uh, not going to ameliorate the reaction against the repeal, I'm guessing. if the bill goes down in flames lets all send vials of cum to senate republicans (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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farraday posted:Now for a quick moment we all can enjoy. gently caress I love the new Irish prime minister.
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evilweasel posted:saying what we all knew, but for that one person who was insisting manchin was going to vote for this: I called his office and Capito's office. Hopefully she doesn't vote yes but she sucks so who knows
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farraday posted:Now for a quick moment we all can enjoy. He's getting so much done as president, so much. No one has ever accomplished so much in their first 150 days as Trump.
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"God, do I really have to talk to this fookin guy?!? Give it a minute, maybe e'll hang up."
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That tweet seems a bit off - it's not a Florida biker gang, but a Russian one. Who were apparently named by a counterstrike player. And of course in the article we find that Putin used them as mercs in the invasion of Ukraine. Russia is like a GTA game. Miami Herald posted:
NIGHTWOLVES DOT http://nightwolves.ru/nw/news/1430
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Wait... am I remembering this correctly, doesn't a bill that exceeds 120b in additional deficit not qualify as a budget reconciliation? I remember that number being important for the bill to pass to the Senate, does passing it back to the House not have the same requirement?
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This is fine. Our country is fine. https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/879743078785064960 https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/879742719786188800
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