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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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happyhippy posted:How is Brexit going to do this? The EU is a fundamentally neoliberal institution that has no compunctions about economically crushing member states that threaten neoliberalism or the power of European financial institutions. Not to mention the racist implications of the "fortress Europe" immigration plan and the willingness to deal with dictators like Erdogan to carry out those plans. Leaving the single market is going to be poo poo for all the reasons already listed but lets not pretend for a second that the EU is some kind of noble institution that has the interests of the working class at heart.
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The DPRK posted:I've also had close second-hand experience around medically necessary abortion, but don't live in Northern Ireland so can't speak for what your friend experienced. It's not right what happened to them. Something is better than nothing but this leaves a dual system of access intact which should not be accepted. This reform was only prised out of the government cause of a one off convergence of electoral calculus suddenly making people notice NIs abortion laws and the horrible situation imposed on women that has been the norm for longer than the Tories have been power. I will not take it for granted that people will continue to remember about this issue or continue to think its important to fight for beyond an attempt to get one over on the Tories for hitching their wagon to the DUP
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Jun 29, 2017 16:49
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MikeCrotch posted:Leaving the single market is going to be poo poo for all the reasons already listed but lets not pretend for a second that the EU is some kind of noble institution that has the interests of the working class at heart. It's worth bearing in mind they used to be. The introduction of things like the working time directive were good, solid boons to the member states to the south and east. I was pretty hardcore Europhile until 2008 when the EU's response to a fiscal disaster was to just pull apart its cheeks and spray without ceasing.
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Jun 29, 2017 16:50
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Speaking of reactions to the DUP https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/880440645793525766 Gonna see if I can get a BBC Parliament shot of Doddery Nige's face lol
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Jun 29, 2017 16:51
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There are also a lot of women in NI who have been or are being prosecuted for accessing abortion services. A Northern Irish woman who was prosecuted for obtaining abortion pills for her underage pregnant daughter was reported to police by a GP The Police Service of Northern Ireland has carried out a number of searches and seizures connected to the illegal purchase of abortion pills online. A Northern Irish woman who bought pills over the internet to induce an abortion has been given a suspended prison sentence. (In this instance, the woman had told her flatmates she was trying to raise the money to go to England but could not scrape it together. She ordered pills from the internet and did the job herself, alone. A week later her flatmates decided she wasn't contrite and miserable enough for their liking and searched through the outside bins to find the evidence of remains and reported her to the police for being "blasé" about it.) This is not enough, not by a long shot.
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Jun 29, 2017 16:52
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MikeCrotch posted:Not to mention the racist implications of the "fortress Europe" immigration plan Germany's the de-factor leader of the EU and puts the rest of the world to shame regarding refugees
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Jun 29, 2017 16:53
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MikeCrotch posted:The EU is a fundamentally neoliberal institution that has no compunctions about economically crushing member states that threaten neoliberalism or the power of European financial institutions. Not to mention the racist implications of the "fortress Europe" immigration plan and the willingness to deal with dictators like Erdogan to carry out those plans. The EU reflects it's membership. If europe was more socialist the EU would have to be too, but they aren't, so it doesn't (well, actually, that might be part of the reason for it's present tensions, but, still).
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Jun 29, 2017 16:56
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spectralent posted:The EU reflects it's membership. If europe was more socialist the EU would have to be too, but they aren't, so it doesn't (well, actually, that might be part of the reason for it's present tensions, but, still). In theory this is true, and I was pro-Reform not Leave for quite a while, but Germany is the closest to socialism outside the nords and they're big proponents of austerity (because their currently unique subsidized low wages attract business). I'm just not confident the EU would tolerate large socialist changes, even if it would be good in the long run for them (see: the IMF's own experts saying austerity wouldn't help Greece pay its debt....while forcing further austerity measures).
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Jun 29, 2017 17:05
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in hypothetical 'UK voted to remain and Corbyn was prime minister' world, couldn't we just tell the EU to gently caress off if they tried to interfere with nationalisation etc? We threw our weight around all the time, so long as we didn't threaten the integrity of the union itself (lol, brexit, oops). I'm pretty eurosceptic but I voted remain precisely because it'd be better to try and change the nastier aspects of the organisation from the inside than from the out
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Jun 29, 2017 17:06
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spectralent posted:The EU reflects it's membership. If europe was more socialist the EU would have to be too, but they aren't, so it doesn't (well, actually, that might be part of the reason for it's present tensions, but, still). The EU expands from social democracies in the far north to illiberal democracies to the south east, capitulating to an authoritarian pseudo-democracy in Turkey to prevent refugees coming into Europe. Such an organisation, however well intentioned, has allowed too many competing ideologies turn it into a deadlock. Gort posted:Germany's the de-factor leader of the EU and puts the rest of the world to shame regarding refugees They were. Now they're making Greece deport people back to Turkey so they don't have to house them in Europe. Yannis Varoufakis was talking about how a Muslim whose family was murdered in Pakistan because he saved a Christian neighbour from his burning house after he was attacked for his religion. He fled towards Europe with his father, who was beaten to death along the way in Turkey. When he reported this to the Turkish police they beat the poo poo out of him for being an unregistered migrant and told him to get out of Turkey. Eventually he got on a boat to seek refuge in Europe, the boat sank and he was washed up in Greece, who thanked him for his trip and then deported him back to Turkey. No idea what happened to him after that, the night Varoufakis told us about this the man was in his cell awaiting the deportation trip the next day.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:07
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Junior G-man posted:I'll keep you company. It's a retarded idea and the UK hasn't even begun to grasp the concept of how much damage it'll do. However it may be, people with half a brain should try to reverse it. I totally agree, but I'm off the view now to let the baby have its bottle, and start loading up on ' I told you so's
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Jun 29, 2017 17:10
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Sarah Bellum posted:There are also a lot of women in NI who have been or are being prosecuted for accessing abortion services. In Northern Ireland they put women in prison. In the Republic, we just allow miscarrying women to die of septic shock rather than perform life-saving abortions. just loving lol at this country
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Jun 29, 2017 17:11
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Considering what an uphill battle it is these days to bring meaningful moderate change to even one country I doubt there's really much scope for reform within the EU. We'd still be better off in the tent and pissing out than our new place outside pissing in, but I don't really see a future where the EU is anything better than the shitshow it is unless Germany and France go full communism overnight and tag team that poo poo, which is a nice fantasy I admit.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:13
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Creasy withdraws amendment.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:17
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Ah now, in fairness, RoI also keeps rotting corpses on life support because there's a heartbeat, too. Dead or alive, women must have no say.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:17
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dispatch_async posted:Creasy withdraws amendment. goddamit she should have gone through with it anyway
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Jun 29, 2017 17:17
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Barry Foster posted:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in hypothetical 'UK voted to remain and Corbyn was prime minister' world, couldn't we just tell the EU to gently caress off if they tried to interfere with nationalisation etc? We threw our weight around all the time, so long as we didn't threaten the integrity of the union itself (lol, brexit, oops). The policy of "progressive nationalisation" (i.e., not re-letting franchises when they expire) would almost certainly be legal under TFEU. And unless Corbyn is going to go all Truman-and-the-Steel-Mills, I'd hazard a guess that the ECJ would allow any other types of nationalisation.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:21
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full every pound of profit not reinvested or paid out gets taxed at 100% keep the economy fluid
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Jun 29, 2017 17:23
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Jun 29, 2017 17:24
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Jun 29, 2017 17:25
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ThomasPaine posted:goddamit she should have gone through with it anyway ah it still embarrasses the poo poo out of the Tories, drives a wedge between them and the DUP and doesn't let anyone get away with claiming that labour is "playing politics" over abortion rights. labour can fix it properly in 6 months when they're in government
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Jun 29, 2017 17:35
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TinTower posted:Roses are red, Bull semen could taint
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Jun 29, 2017 17:37
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Sarah Bellum posted:Ah now, in fairness, RoI also keeps rotting corpses on life support because there's a heartbeat, too. Dead or alive, women must have no say. Thats hundreds of years of Catholic Church healthcare for you!
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Jun 29, 2017 17:38
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Fifty Labour MPs break the Abstain whip to vote for the single market amendment.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:43
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I'd like to recount a fairly heavy personal story that's uniquely relevant today. I'm going to spoiler it as a content warning for abortion and self-injury. At the tender age of 17 I accidentally knocked up my Northern Irish girlfriend. I only found out about NI's abortion rules through that, and I only relatively recently found out that she wouldn't have been entitled to an abortion if she had pursued one in England. At the time she wouldn't even go near a hospital with me, despite not wanting the child. What she actually did was tried to overdose twice, threw herself down a flight of stairs, and naturally miscarried in a psychiatric hospital. Which is what you do to young women when you rule over and indoctrinate them like it's the 18th century and expect them to live in the modern age, as fallible people who make mistakes. Every socially regressive policy has an untold human cost. Last time I spoke to her, ten years after this all took place, she was doing fine and had accumulated 8 cats.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:43
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TinTower posted:Fifty Labour MPs break the Abstain whip to vote for the single market amendment. Labour Chaos, Corbyn's Leadership in Peril? - The Daily Mail, probably.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:46
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number one pta fan posted:I'd like to recount a fairly heavy personal story that's uniquely relevant today. I'm going to spoiler it as a content warning for abortion and self-injury. Yeah, thanks to us americans and our janky union, there's comprehensive studies showing that banning abortion doesn't actually reduce abortions, it just raises miscarry rates and results in more dead/unhealthy mothers. Even people who are genuinely concerned with the life of a fetus should be pro-choice, because the alternative just results in more death. Glad to hear she's doing fine now, cheers
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Jun 29, 2017 17:49
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Jun 29, 2017 17:52
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Neurolimal posted:Yeah, thanks to us americans and our janky union, there's comprehensive studies showing that banning abortion doesn't actually reduce abortions, it just raises miscarry rates and results in more dead/unhealthy mothers. Even people who are genuinely concerned with the life of a fetus should be pro-choice, because the alternative just results in more death. But what about  SLUTS?
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Jun 29, 2017 18:00
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Interesting to see Lady Hermon voting down the opposition amendment alongside the government - would have thought she would have abstained May indicate she might vote more decisively to keep corbyn out than simply avoiding voting to put him in
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Jun 29, 2017 18:02
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Jun 29, 2017 18:04
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number one pta fan posted:I'd like to recount a fairly heavy personal story that's uniquely relevant today. I'm going to spoiler it as a content warning for abortion and self-injury. It really is a primitive, backwards state of affairs, and causes untold misery to so many. I'm glad she got over it, but disgusted you both had to go through that.
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Jun 29, 2017 18:04
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Wait, you guys just fire legislators who don't hold to the party whip? What happens to their seat?
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Jun 29, 2017 18:20
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Night10194 posted:Wait, you guys just fire legislators who don't hold to the party whip? What happens to their seat? They are fired from the cabinet, not the party.
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Jun 29, 2017 18:21
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Night10194 posted:Wait, you guys just fire legislators who don't hold to the party whip? What happens to their seat? They're just sacked from the front bench, the opposition upper circle of proposed alternative ministers
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Jun 29, 2017 18:22
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Stone Cold Jez Corbyn
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Jun 29, 2017 18:24
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Jun 29, 2017 18:24
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Huh hermon voted with the government for the main question too
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Jun 29, 2017 18:25
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Have you never heard of the Vatican Bank? Because hoo boy they're shady even by Vatican standards Oh sure i've heard of the vatican bank and the shady poo poo going on there - its associations with the mob and tax dodgers, etc. What surprises me is that the loving bank manager is the 3rd most important representative of christ on earth. You'd think they'd have the PR nous to at least pretend the money isn't that big a deal.
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communism bitch posted:Oh sure i've heard of the vatican bank and the shady poo poo going on there - its associations with the mob and tax dodgers, etc. CFO is usually second or third most important person in any large multinational
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