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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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pointsofdata posted:You'd have to be pretty deep in the tank to thibk it's anything other than hard brexit and some fantasy nationalist socialism on the agenda Jeremy Corbyn is an internationalist. Hint, there's more to the world than one continent.
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JFairfax posted:It would barely qualify as a brexit and would be loving idiotic, we would have to be subject to all the rules without being able to be a part of forming them. ...how? One would be ruinous for your economy and incredibly hard on EU nationals in Britain, while the other would just result in less influence in Europe. That seems like a leap to me.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:36
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JFairfax posted:It would barely qualify as a brexit and would be loving idiotic, we would have to be subject to all the rules without being able to be a part of forming them. Yes it would be idiotic. Yes it would be pointless. Brexit is idiotic and pointless - but It would be making the best of a bad situation. It would also be the position that would allow labour to claim they were following the democratic decision of the U.K. while providing a situation closest to what the majority of what its voters want and save the UK from the economic consequences of leaving the single market. There's nothing good about a hard Brexit. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 20:38
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:This thread has gone stupid. Like, really loving dumb. I mean I'm kind of inclined to agree, it's incredibly stupid to sign up to the most significant aspects of the EU while withdrawing any ability to have input on its policies, that might actually be worse than doing nothing both politically and practically.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:38
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forkboy84 posted:Jeremy Corbyn is an internationalist. Thanks David Davis. Tijuana Bibliophile posted:This thread has gone stupid. Like, really loving dumb. Yep.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:38
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Private Speech posted:I get that, but thankfully this thread isn't a Labour political committee so there's no need to pretend that Brexit is actually a great thing. I'm not asking Labour to change it's official stance or condemning them for it or anything. Who's saying it's good in this thread? It's pretty much all 'lol we're so hosed'
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Jun 29, 2017 20:39
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I'm kind of inclined to agree, it's incredibly stupid to sign up to the most significant aspects of the EU while withdrawing any ability to have input on its policies, that might actually be worse than doing nothing both politically and practically. Yeah exactly, either go through with brexit or don't. That's why I think a referendum on the deal is the right thing to do. Evaluate exactly what is on the table and we decide whether we still want to leave.
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loving white christan terrorists throwing acid on innocent human beings https://twitter.com/majstar7/status/880499089581977601
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Jun 29, 2017 20:44
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JFairfax posted:Yeah exactly, either go through with brexit or don't. That also I think might be advisable, seems the best chance of knocking it on the head given that I think Labour would swing if they got an overturning democratic mandate to. It's just that Brexit won so they're going to try to do it. If we get a shite deal and people still want to do it, well, bugger if I know what you can do when faced with that level of idiocy.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:45
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learnincurve posted:I second Jose's "lol" and add in a "wut". There are lots of other nice places to live as well! But those things are all true about London, especially compared to some other places in Europe
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Jun 29, 2017 20:46
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The best part of Brexit is that Britain is going to have to make some fair trade deals for the first time in about 200 years.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:46
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baka kaba posted:'lol we're so hosed' Yes, but you just have to look for the upsides of this
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Jun 29, 2017 20:47
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forkboy84 posted:Jeremy Corbyn is an internationalist. So there will be more free movement of people post labour brexit, not less?
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Jun 29, 2017 20:47
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OwlFancier posted:That also I think might be advisable, seems the best chance of knocking it on the head given that I think Labour would swing if they got an overturning democratic mandate to. It's just that Brexit won so they're going to try to do it. TBH if Tom Watson manages to push for proper press regulation etc. in the intervening time then you might well see your wish granted of a second referendum going better. Leave blatantly won because of media fingers on the scale, actual press regulation could probably prevent that.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:48
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Al-Saqr posted:loving white christan terrorists throwing acid on innocent human beings when will the white community come out and condemn this extremism? Their silence speaks volumes imo.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:48
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Guavanaut posted:The best part of Brexit is that Britain is going to have to make some fair trade deals for the first time in about 200 years. All at the same time, and the huge markets of Brazil, china and India are going to be demanding visas as part of negotiations lol
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Jun 29, 2017 20:48
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pointsofdata posted:So there will be more free movement of people post labour brexit, not less? it's not really optional. The skills shortage will hit hard.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:49
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I think you're hosed either way. A party avoiding Brexit will have a noose around it's neck. Staying in the free market has enough strings attached to piss everyone off.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:49
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communism bitch posted:when will the white community come out and condemn this extremism? Their silence speaks volumes imo. You don't get it they have these 'preachers' who spread their ideology in places called 'parishes' some them even gently caress kids!!! We gotta do something!!!
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Jun 29, 2017 20:50
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Tesseraction posted:TBH if Tom Watson manages to push for proper press regulation etc. in the intervening time then you might well see your wish granted of a second referendum going better. Yeah if we had a Labour government and some boots on press necks in the interim it could go better. But hell we might end up with the descending corpse of the tories falling on the brexit button before they collapse entirely.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:50
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JFairfax posted:Yeah exactly, either go through with brexit or don't. Ideally people will be clamouring for one as the details of what it actually means become clear over the negotiating period People voted to leave without having the first idea of what it entails, in two years it'll be a very different picture (although there's always the NO DEAL = WINNERS wildcard if that's not challenged too). You can definitely make an argument that offering a second referendum on the actual terms is more moral and democratic than not
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Jun 29, 2017 20:50
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Spangly A posted:it's not really optional. The skills shortage will hit hard. He specifically means free movement, not immigration.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:51
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JFairfax posted:All at the same time, and the huge markets of Brazil, china and India are going to be demanding visas as part of negotiations lol
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Jun 29, 2017 20:52
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baka kaba posted:Ideally people will be clamouring for one as the details of what it actually means become clear over the negotiating period Yeah everyone was able to project what they wanted onto brexit. If we have a 'are you sure you want to' vote with the implications of brexit being spelt out, there will be only the cold, hard sobering facts and there's no way the brexit deal will be better than staying in the EU
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Jun 29, 2017 20:53
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah if we had a Labour government and some boots on press necks in the interim it could go better. I don't think you even need that. There has to be *some* Tories willing to vote for Leveson 2 or further regulation. I'd say Bradley's referral to the CMA for the Murdoch bid is a sign of a shifting tide in the Tory opinion on Murdoch's usefulness.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:53
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Tesseraction posted:He specifically means free movement, not immigration. yeah that's dead but it wont be long before we accept a satellite deal after the racists work out that "control our borders" means less europeans, way more asians and south americans
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Jun 29, 2017 20:53
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JFairfax posted:All at the same time, and the huge markets of Brazil, china and India are going to be demanding visas as part of negotiations lol I know lol, they're going to be begging to be let back into the white EU.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:55
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I'm going to bet that if hard brexit happens there's going to be a free movement deal with at least one or two Commonwealth members within the decade, and it might not be the ones that the Mail reading population are most comfortable with.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:56
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Spangly A posted:yeah that's dead but it wont be long before we accept a satellite deal after the racists work out that "control our borders" means less europeans, way more asians and south americans Personally I'd prefer our immigration system were more proportional to world demographics, but then I'm from a family of non-EU migrants, soo
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Jun 29, 2017 20:57
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Tesseraction posted:Personally I'd prefer our immigration system were more proportional to world demographics, but then I'm from a family of non-EU migrants, soo I've got nothing against the legitimate problems brought up by former colonial states, first to mind being India, in regards to the preferrential treatment of europeans being a snub. I am ok with the future you describe. Daily Mail readers will not be. e; snub sounds a bit crap but I am being sincere
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Jun 29, 2017 20:59
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Spangly A posted:I've got nothing against the legitimate problems brought up by former colonial states, first to mind being India, in regards to the preferrential treatment of europeans being a snub. I am ok with the future you describe. That's all the more for me to enjoy about it.  Well unless they end up like that acid-chucking knobchuck who I would not be sad to hear being put in a prison cell next to someone with opposing views on race and a strict muscular exercise regime.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:01
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One of my biggest concerns over this whole shitshow is the hope/expectation that this increase in racially motivated violence we're seeing will just disappear when all the white immigrants leave. I can't see this happening.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:03
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Spangly A posted:I've got nothing against the legitimate problems brought up by former colonial states, first to mind being India, in regards to the preferrential treatment of europeans being a snub. I am ok with the future you describe. Why is the preferential treatment of Europeans necessarily a snub to any non-European nation, given that it is simply one of the conditions of Single Market membership?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:04
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Lord_Adonis posted:Why is the preferential treatment of Europeans necessarily a snub to any non-European nation, given that it is simply one of the conditions of Single Market membership? because britain didn't loving murder half of europe for personal gain as recently.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:04
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My main concern is that post brexit immigration will need higher amounts of investment and propaganda against the daily mail demographic to avoid creating ghettos and isolated communities. Immigration is a good thing but it needs government investment and policy to make it work.Lord_Adonis posted:Why is the preferential treatment of Europeans necessarily a snub to any non-European nation, given that it is simply one of the conditions of Single Market membership? Because half the point of the european single market is making a euros only club and lol non-whitey get hosed.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:05
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Spangly A posted:because britain didn't loving murder half of europe for personal gain as recently. What's that got to do with immigration?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:06
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Why do we care what racists think? I voted remain and would do if given the chance again, but regardless of that, a closer relationship with the Commonwealth would surely be A Good Thing.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:08
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OwlFancier posted:My main concern is that post brexit immigration will need higher amounts of investment and propaganda against the daily mail demographic to avoid creating ghettos and isolated communities. Immigration is a good thing but it needs government investment and policy to make it work. So? I doubt that most non-European nations would want bi-directional free movement with Europe anyway. Seems to be a non issue really.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:08
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My main concern with Brexit is that it's a shitshow of an idea voted for by idiots, being driven forward in the worst way possible by people on the far left and far right to push their own fantastical idealogical agendas with no regard for how it will affect ordinary people.
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mediadave posted:Why do we care what racists think? We cant replace our EU export market with any potential Commonwealth export market. The Commonwealth is a peripheral pipe dream.
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