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Still not seeing "We will push for Medicare for all". Also, I find it fascinating that they acknowledge that special interests get undue attention but they propose nothing to rectify this problem. quote:That is the impetus behind our second proposal, to put economic power back into the hands of the American people, cracking down on the monopolies and big corporate mergers that harm consumers, workers and competition. We will demand that proposed mergers meet tough new standards to protect competition before approval, and will institute post-merger reviews to ensure that consolidated companies keep their promises to American consumers. This is a legit good idea but the devil will be in the details. Odds are the Democrats won't enforce the new rules and the new review committee won't have any teeth. We know this because the Democrats could have prevented many, many mergers under existing laws during the Obama years but simply chose not to. Edit: gently caress! Beaten by MF 
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VitalSigns posted:That's what they did in California, passed single payer a bunch of times for Arnold to veto, "we just can't pass this because of those mean Republicans, keep voting for us to beat them", but then they accidentally caught that car when the voters believed them and gave them a supermajority plus the governor's mansion. There's the mayor of Baltimore, who ran on a campaign to increase school funding and pass a $15 minimum wage, and the vetoed the $15 minimum wage and then cut public school funding while increasing charter school funding. To me that is the main issue with democrats. It's not running Ossoff in GA6 or Manchin in WV. It's that in the solid blue areas democrats a lot of the people in charge are essentially polite republicans.
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readingatwork posted:Edit: gently caress! Beaten by MF I was the last post on the previous page, no one is going to read it. 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'd have to check but i heard the funding for the program was to be set up as a trust to get around that I haven't seen anything to suggest that the trust would get around it but  I could be wrong
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I haven't seen anything to suggest that the trust would get around it but the education prop only applies to the general fund so as it long as its separate from that it doesnt apply
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Would like to point out the tax credit for hiring workers is almost definitely going to function as a method to kick people off the welfare rolls that will not take into account extenuating circumstances ranging from transportation to time demands of anything that would lead to stable employment beyond the scope of 9/hr at the local casino that already has a number of sweetheart tax deals with the local city government.joepinetree posted:There's the mayor of Baltimore, who ran on a campaign to increase school funding and pass a $15 minimum wage, and the vetoed the $15 minimum wage and then cut public school funding while increasing charter school funding. To me that is the main issue with democrats. It's not running Ossoff in GA6 or Manchin in WV. It's that in the solid blue areas democrats a lot of the people in charge are essentially polite republicans. ...gently caress Baltimore.
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readingatwork posted:Still not seeing "We will push for Medicare for all". Seriously going to enjoy seeing that useless idiot lose her primary.
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Soooo this bold new job creation plan that will totally create millions of new jobs is...a tax credit? We are so hosed.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:Soooo this bold new job creation plan that will totally create millions of new jobs is...a tax credit? I can totally see "$15.00 minimum wage" being paid for with a tax credit for businesses that makes up the difference between the minimum wage and $15.00/hour And then businesses figure out a way to pocket the tax credit and not increase their worker's pay
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Jul 24, 2017 03:14
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they didn't learn a goddamn thing.
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tbqh i don't think "single payer" goes too far enough to be a winning platform in 2018
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The Maroon Hawk posted:Soooo this bold new job creation plan that will totally create millions of new jobs is...a tax credit? It's literally Hillary's old plan. quote:- The proposal would put forward a tax credit for businesses of $1,500 per apprentice and would insist on accountability for employment and earnings outcomes for programs receiving the credit. Clinton also said that businesses should receive a bonus on that tax credit for providing opportunities specifically for young people. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/06/16/fact-sheet-apprenticeships/ These idiots have learned nothing. They're going to get blasted in 2018 and we're going to end up with two term president Donald J. Trump after they nominate some obama/clinton disciple.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:Soooo this bold new job creation plan that will totally create millions of new jobs is...a tax credit? Indeed Lucille Bluth posted:"We are not running on any platform of raising taxes," Pelosi said, adding that Democrats will propose "a fairer tax system" this year. Crowsbeak posted:Seriously going to enjoy seeing that useless idiot lose her primary. Lucille Bluth posted:""It's a very popular idea in our country," Pelosi acknowledged. "But we have made a decision of where we are going with health care." Schumer was saying single payer is on the table ~12 hours ago. The pressure is there, if she's going to piss on the base leading up to the midterms under an executive frighteningly unstable, she has to be removed. She's competent at what she does, but the ideological difference is too vast to accept at this point for something taken for granted in first world countries. Obama got loving elected on this poo poo, and its 10 years later, this isn't acceptable.
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Sneakster posted:Indeed Your link is from January.
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I don't see single payer or some form of UHC, and I don't see 15$ minimum wage so I don't see a reason to give a poo poo Dems. Also that line about a tax credit really makes it loud and clear they have their lips still firmly welded to the asscheeks of corporate interests. Things like "better jobs" and "better wages" is nebulous bullshit, give us specifics or GTFO.
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"I can't wait to take time off work and stand in line for hours, potentially outside in terrible weather, to pull the lever for tax credits and merger crackdowns!" -Nobody, ever
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Call Me Charlie posted:Your link is from January. Anyway... From last year: Turns out Pelosi is more senile than Trump.
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Axetrain posted:I don't see single payer or some form of UHC, and I don't see 15$ minimum wage so I don't see a reason to give a poo poo Dems. Also that line about a tax credit really makes it loud and clear they have their lips still firmly welded to the asscheeks of corporate interests. Things like "better jobs" and "better wages" is nebulous bullshit, give us specifics or GTFO.  SPECIFICS ARE COMING OUT ON MONDAY, UNTIL THEN THIS IS ALL SPECULATION That said, go ahead and continue your speculation as normal.
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Mister Facetious posted:I was the last post on the previous page, no one is going to read it. TLDR: There are already anti-trust laws on the books from a century that no one since Reagan, most notably Obama, ever bothered to enforce.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:tbqh i don't think "single payer" goes too far enough to be a winning platform in 2018 Medicare for all, Student Loan forgiveness, $15 minimum and bringing in overseas stashed money would get pretty much everyone who isn't commenting at Breitbart pumped. First world heaçth care for all, letting people quit lovely jobs and start businesses while avoiding bankruptcy? Check. Relieving a chunk of young professionals and screwing a greedy, rotten middleman? Check. Rewarding entry-level work and boosting consumer power? Check. Bringing back looted cash and giving everyone a moral high? Check. But it'd be hard to find a billionaire to stump for it at the Convention, so it's not happening.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:"I can't wait to take time off work and stand in line for hours, potentially outside in terrible weather, to pull the lever for tax credits and merger crackdowns!" Okay, now I'm genuinely curious; how does Wall Street vote? 
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Sephyr posted:Medicare for all, Student Loan forgiveness, $15 minimum and bringing in overseas stashed money would get pretty much everyone who isn't commenting at Breitbart pumped.
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Mister Facetious posted:Okay, now I'm genuinely curious; how does Wall Street vote? By sending an email to all their employees saying "Here's who you should vote for."
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Sneakster posted:(That article isn't about Schumer) I know. You were trying to falsely present Pelosi's comments from January as a recent comment in contrast to Schumer's obvious lies. Which isn't necessary since anybody can see through their ruse without tricks like that.
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Call Me Charlie posted:I know. You were trying to falsely present Pelosi's comments from January as a recent comment in contrast to Schumer's obvious lies. Which isn't necessary since anybody can see through their ruse without tricks like that. poo poo, I've been exposed. You saw through my campaign of disinformation. She's been saying same thing as of last month. I just went with the January quote since it was the most direct and concise. EDIT: If ACA is repealed through demonic turtle magic... what are the chances of democrats being forced to pass UHC to unfuck that in 2018? Sneakster fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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One plank of the new democratic deal should be the nationalization of voting standards, mandatory paid voting holidays, and the death penalty for anyone who suggests voting restrictions.
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Kobayashi posted:One plank of the new democratic deal should be the nationalization of voting standards, mandatory paid voting holidays, and the death penalty for anyone who suggests voting restrictions. how about some tax credits instead
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The Kingfish posted:This is a republican thing right? It's hard to tell.
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John McCain's brain tumor has made us all hopeful for the future, but the democrats are still going to be democrats.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:they'd have to raise $600b in new taxes to cover the $300b in health care costs thanks to that school funding proposition, which is a bit of a sticking point No they wouldn't, you put language in the bill that the single payer law will only go into effect subject to public approval of a ballot initiative (Prop WXYZ) that exempts its funding sources from Prop 98 or whatever that dumb school funding one is. Now it's on the voters, if the Democrats truly believe the voters won't agree then it'll get voted down no worries, then they can say "we tried to give you single payer but you didn't want it." (Of course, Big Pharma and insurance companies are actually afraid that the ballot initiative would pass so of course they bribe legislators never to put that up to a public vote) VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:they didn't learn a goddamn thing. they never have and never will. the only solution: Kobayashi posted:the new democratic deal should be the death penalty for anyone who suggests voting
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WhiskeyJuvenile's dishonest concern trolling is a pretty good indicator of what establishment Dems will say to justify never doing anything that will upset a corporation. "Oh we could fund it, but the Also see WJ's "well does single payer fix every problem with capitalism? No it doesn't so it's not good enough, therefore let's pass the lovely Republican health care plan from 1993"
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Raskolnikov38 posted:how about some tax credits instead Hmm fair you're right a market-based solution is probably a Better Way.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:Soooo this bold new job creation plan that will totally create millions of new jobs is...a tax credit? We'll be sending you the latest DNC sticker which reads, "I mean, have you the other guys?"
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Kobayashi posted:Hmm fair you're right a market-based solution is probably a Better Way. The market says single-payer but obv nobody wants that, they just say they do
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Argas posted:The market says single-payer but obv nobody wants that, they just say they do Well look. I, as a proud, cross-burning Republican think government is bad. You, as presumably a Better Deal Democrat, think that monopolies are bad. UHC, as a government monopoly, is therefore bi-partisanly bad. And isn't bipartisanship at any cost really the most important part of being a Democrat?
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:It's gonna be pretty funny when the Democrats run a bunch of empty suits with super obviously fake center left messaging and get clowned by Kid Rock, Curt Schilling, Tila Tequila and Doctor Phil. Chuck Shumer is going to lose his reelection campaign to Hulk Hogan. the democrats may be a waste but this wasted thread was good for this post alone
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Politics used to be Hollywood for ugly people, now they're just cutting out the middleman. It's not like the average politician now brings any more to the table than the average celebrity.
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Sneakster posted:I think the nazi one might be a little more concerning. Basically anyone who has registered an account on SA in the last four years I've safely and reliably assumed was a rereg, but on the off chance you're all the things you've said and none of those things I said: you. are. high. on. your. own. piss. if you think the wave that's sweeping the globe will pass by ScandyLand. You're a student? look up what they were doing in that neck of the woods in 1944. or the struggles they've dealt with contemporaneously. You're at ground zero for tidal forces changing the world, and you're going "OOOH! maybe the tsunami will be gentler the further away I get!" You may be closer to me ideologically than some ITT, but you're an ignorant coward and if you're telling the truth then you don't have the cash to play the game you're trying so desperately to enter.
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