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TGLT posted:I mean there's literally nothing to gain for McCain at this point one way or the other. Might as well vote the way your poo poo heart says. It implies that these people truly believe what they say and they aren't just selling out to corporations, which is far more terrifying.
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farraday posted:There's an interesting procedural wrinkle with this that goes back to something we talked about earlier. This is technically not the vote on BRCA+Cruz, it's a vote to wave the Byrd rule on BRCA+Cruz I did not know that, but that makes a LOT of sense. A couple of these guys might vote yes for the amendment, but they don't want to set a precedent of waiving the Byrd rule, especially since the Byrd rule helps the GOP a hell of a lot more than the Dems.
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Not sure who hasn't voted yet, but we're stuck at 42-57 edit: and its final, 43-57. Get hosed, Ted Cruz.
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TGLT posted:I mean there's literally nothing to gain for McCain at this point one way or the other. Might as well vote the way your poo poo heart says. I think it's important to remember that. This is who John McCain is. Who he's always been. He's always been poo poo. He has ALWAYS. Been. poo poo. Remember him for that. For being poo poo.
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Angry_Ed posted:Fair enough, for some reason I thought they were just going to pretend that this was totally able to be passed through reconcilation because McConnell has shown he doesn't care about the rules when he's in charge The Byrd rule is a point of order that can be brought up by any Senator, it's built into the law and can't be waived by the Majority leader. The fact this is procedural is the only way I can really explain the mix of nos. Final tally. Susan Collins Me. Bob Corker Tenn. Tom Cotton Ark. Lindsey Graham S.C. Dean Heller Nev. Mike Lee Utah Jerry Moran Kan. Lisa Murkowski Alaska Rand Paul Ky.
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Aurubin posted:Out of curiosity, why wasn't Gardner ever on the "moderate" list? Colorado voted for Hilary by a decent margin. Is it just that 4 years is too far in legislative memory? never gave any indication that he gave a gently caress what colorado thought
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Angry_Ed posted:Actually I'm now further confused, because without that, wouldn't that pretty much kill BRCA+Cruz? There's no way they're getting 60 votes for that. Again I sorta feel like they're trying to frontload the poo poo for people to symbolically vote against, then say "look how reasonable we are voting yes for this thing that wasn't as bad" This whole process seems kind of thrown together after the second(third?) plan collapsed. McConnell let Cruz try and pitch his bullshit to, it appeared at the time anyways, prove to him and the hard right their poo poo was never going to go anywhere. Instead it came out McConnell was telling two stories to the two sides of the senate and here we are. They are trying to frontload the votes that are doomed, sure, but probably not to distract from the skinny repeal so much as to take one last shot at getting everything they want in one go. DreamShipWrecked posted:It implies that these people truly believe what they say and they aren't just selling out to corporations, which is far more terrifying. They're not that smart or clever or conniving or Hollywood villain-esque. House of Cards is a fun show, but there's no reason to suspect Republicans aren't the lovely people they say they are.
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farraday posted:The Byrd rule is a point of order that can be brought up by any Senator, it's built into the law and can't be waived by the Majority leader. cotton wants to run for president and knows this is poo poo, corker is up for election in 18 and doesnt want to give a challenger an opening, dunno about graham
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I fully expect Ted Cruz to do his own dumb as gently caress variation of Mr Smith Goes to Washington pretty much once a year from this point on.
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FizFashizzle posted:the cruz amendment is completely unworkable horseshit that satisfies no one except ted cruz so that he can bitch about being the only true conservative while selling his vote on a later version of the bill. I really don't understand why he ever put it forward. It was a garbage amendment and it seems like everyone but Cruz knew it.
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evilweasel posted:never gave any indication that he gave a gently caress what colorado thought yeah, I posted this earlier but he essentially ran as a moderate to fool CO voters during a midterm but really doesn't give a gently caress about what Coloradans actually want. He's going to be gone in 2020, and he knows this, so he's trying to burn as much down as he can while he's still in the Senate.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I really don't understand why he ever put it forward. It was a garbage amendment and it seems like everyone but Cruz knew it. goal was to sabatoge pre-existing coverage protection, but subtlely
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I really don't understand why he ever put it forward. It was a garbage amendment and it seems like everyone but Cruz knew it. Ted Cruz thinks he's a real legislator instead of a giant bug alien in a human suit. evilweasel posted:goal was to sabatoge pre-existing coverage protection, but subtlely Cruz is about as subtle as a moving van full of pianos falling down a cliff.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I really don't understand why he ever put it forward. It was a garbage amendment and it seems like everyone but Cruz knew it. His farts smell like flowers. Pauls amendment is next. It will be done tomorrow.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I really don't understand why he ever put it forward. It was a garbage amendment and it seems like everyone but Cruz knew it. satisfy cruz's ego? wear out people by doing the unspeakably evil poo poo first then move to the extremely evil stuff?
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DreamShipWrecked posted:It implies that these people truly believe what they say and they aren't just selling out to corporations, which is far more terrifying. It's both and it's always been both.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I really don't understand why he ever put it forward. It was a garbage amendment and it seems like everyone but Cruz knew it. His entire legislative game is to attempt to sabotage Republican bills. It's sheer base play, even if his proposals don't really make sense from the hard right perspective either.
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What is stopping Americans from purchasing health insurance in countries where health insurance is much cheaper and still has decent care like eastern asia or latin america and just all flying there for the 100k+ surgeries?
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Rigel posted:I did not know that, but that makes a LOT of sense. A couple of these guys might vote yes for the amendment, but they don't want to set a precedent of waiving the Byrd rule, especially since the Byrd rule helps the GOP a hell of a lot more than the Dems. waiving the byrd rule via 60 votes is an ordinary and normal thing nobody objects to, because it means you got 60 votes, this procedure is written into the statute and isnt any sort of monkey business
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Rigel posted:This is probably the Cruz amendment. https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/890025488860708864
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:What is stopping Americans from purchasing health insurance in countries where health insurance is much cheaper and still has decent care like eastern asia or latin america and just all flying there for the 100k+ surgeries? go to bed migf, you're drunk
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The vote tomorrow is expected to fail, just like tonight's vote was expected to fail by everyone who was paying attention before the MTP. The only interesting vote will be when they finally get to the skinny repeal which was sprung on us this morning, and any other new ideas the turtle may come up with, but we already know the 2015 repeal vote is doomed to fail.
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evilweasel posted:cotton wants to run for president and knows this is poo poo, corker is up for election in 18 and doesnt want to give a challenger an opening, dunno about graham https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/890026431513808896 I have a feeling this objection won't seem as pressing when the skinny repeal comes through.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:It implies that these people truly believe what they say and they aren't just selling out to corporations, which is far more terrifying. Sell out long enough and you end up believing your own con.
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/890026431513808896 They have a score for skinny repeal. It feels new to us, but it was an old idea that got scored long ago. It is by far the least-bad serious idea the GOP has, which is why we are nervous that the moderates might accept it.
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If 60 voted for the ted cruz amendment the amendment would of been added to the bill but there's a final vote on the bill itself right? So voting yes on the Amendment isn't voting yes on the bill so I mean if all the dems voted yes on the cruz amendment to poisin the package would that have worked?
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Where does the healthcare vote currently stand, now? Did they get through clean repeal, now they're on the Cruz amendment, and skinny repeal is tomorrow, that's what I'm gathering? I'm exhausted from trying to keep up from which part of McConnell's idiot maze we're currently sifting through.
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Hollismason posted:I wish they wouldn't call it the skinny appeal because it still causes a death spiral of the insurance markets. skinny repeal bc you're literally starving to death trying to pay for your family's health care
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Bicyclops posted:Where does the healthcare vote currently stand, now? Did they get through clean repeal, now they're on the Cruz amendment, and skinny repeal is tomorrow, that's what I'm gathering? I'm exhausted from trying to keep up from which part of McConnell's idiot maze we're currently sifting through. They did not get through clean repeal, that is tomorrow. They just shot down the BCRA+Cruz Amendment. No one expects clean repeal to survive either. Fact they're not voting on it tonight is probably, as some one earlier said, McConnell buying time for votes for their real plan which is the skinny repeal. Hollismason posted:I wish they wouldn't call it the skinny appeal because it still causes a death spiral of the insurance markets. Is there a word for offensive rebranding? Cuz I'm all for that and we can call it the kneecap repeal or something. edit: oh god this is the line of thinking that leads to trumped up trickle down oh god some one please kill me oh god kill me TGLT fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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evilweasel posted:never gave any indication that he gave a gently caress what colorado thought Also this. He'd be another entry on the list of hilariously loud no votes if he were listening to his state, but...
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:If 60 voted for the ted cruz amendment the amendment would of been added to the bill but there's a final vote on the bill itself right? No, the 60 vote requirement for unscored amendments is when you vote on the amendment. After that, the bill would still only need 50 votes
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:What is stopping Americans from purchasing health insurance in countries where health insurance is much cheaper and still has decent care like eastern asia or latin america and just all flying there for the 100k+ surgeries? Are you hosed in the head? Even if an overseas flight and passport were something everyone could afford and legally do, lots of times when you need an expensive surgery you're in no condition to FLY ACROSS A GODDAMN OCEAN. And that's not even to mention the people who require continuing care for a chronic condition. You giant loving sociopathic moron.
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