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Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Yea I guess I just don't watch shows that I would consider fluff to the point where I would feel ok speeding them up. Like, with the Brooklyn 99 example, if the whole appeal of the show is a repetitive cycle of predictable jokes, I'll just pass on the show altogether. And I don't hate watch shows, if I'm not feeling like I want to devote 30 mins or an hour to watch it I just drop the show altogether.

Maybe that's why I love movies so much, it's a longer one-time commitment but when it's over it's over.

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Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
That's understandable. And maybe my example of B99 wasn't the best one; B99 is extremely formulaic, but I love the actors and characters they have built. Without those characters, the writing would not work. It is very predictable, but it's like a sugary candy for my brain. I just spend 15 minutes on each sugar high versus 22.

Most things I totally watch at normal speed, and speeding it up isn't even an option. I wouldn't watch Black Mirror at a higher rate, for example. But, like you said, it's all about what and how you enjoy your entertainment. If it's not for you, it's not for you.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
I would never speed up a movie but a lot of podcasts are basically just text in a lovely format. I mean I don't listen to them at 2x speed or whatever because I don't listen to them at all, but it's for basically the same reason -- I can easily read two or three times faster than most people speak.

Monglo
Mar 19, 2015
Speeding up movies is totally fine, heck, that's how I listen to my favourite music.

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.
Yam Slacker
There's no reason to speeding up music when you can listen of all of it at the same time at normal speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gddZKUwRYw

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFwPFQXQHNk

Erebus
Jul 13, 2001

Okay... Keep your head, Steve boy...

Bongo Bill posted:

It kinds of depends on what you're viewing it for. If you want to fill time pleasurably, normal speed is fine. If you want to receive what they're attempting to communicate, speeding things up is fine.

This is largely it. There's a lot of stuff I watch at normal speed because it's something I want to watch and enjoy. But other times there's something I want to "know" more than really watch. American TV dramas always end up having some awful filler episodes, but there may still be some plot development I want to pick up rather than skipping it completely. Or there's some movie that nobody likes, but I'm kind of curious to see it with my own eyes rather than just read reviews complaining about it.

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

My wife and I couldn't get into Nailed It, but that led us to The Great British Baking Show and we really like that.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Erebus posted:

This is largely it. There's a lot of stuff I watch at normal speed because it's something I want to watch and enjoy. But other times there's something I want to "know" more than really watch. American TV dramas always end up having some awful filler episodes, but there may still be some plot development I want to pick up rather than skipping it completely. Or there's some movie that nobody likes, but I'm kind of curious to see it with my own eyes rather than just read reviews complaining about it.

See these are two more examples of stuff I just never feel like I have the time to even mess around with. T.V. drama with many episodes that are just boring filler? No thanks. Movie that nobody likes and I have no reason to believe I will either? Definitely no.

There's an endless ocean of actually good films to watch, and only so many opportunities in a given week to watch them. When I finally quit watching The Walking Dead, it was because I kept having to fight the urge to fast forward through the 80% of show that bored me to tears, just to get to the 20% that felt as good as the show that I originally began watching years ago. It made me feel like I was wasting precious time that could've been spent actually enjoying something.

10 Beers posted:

My wife and I couldn't get into Nailed It, but that led us to The Great British Baking Show and we really like that.

Yea drat, you definitely should've started with British Baking Show. The contestants actually have skills and it's just a much better show overall.

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

People that do this and the podcast thing are out of their loving minds.

We basically ran FitFortDanga out of town on a rail when he confessed to rewatching movies at 1.5x speed, that we’re seeing people earnestly recommending it as a way to enjoy art is mind-boggling.

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Are you also angry when a musician plays a song more quickly than a beginner? Or when someone runs to work instead of walks? Or when someone drives 70 to work instead of 65? It's their life.

There’s a difference between, say, listening to Wire’s 2-minute version of 1 2 X U at 2x speed and Minor Threat’s 1-minute version of the same song. Namely, Minor Threat’s version sounds faster and more energetic while the modified original version would sound like the loving Chipmunks. Art is made to be experienced in a certain way, and to rush through it is dumb as hell.

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
British Baking Show is a top tier show to fall asleep to

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

gently caress that. I love podcasts because I love the material they talk about, and the banter that goes back and forth. However, if my brain is capable of parsing the information at 1.5 or 2x speed, then there's no reason I should have to waste my hours on this planet listening to it at normal speed.

I can understand the same 99% Invisible podcast in 11 minutes as I can 22. I shouldn't have to hold my life hostage because Roman Mars talks a bit slow.


There's no achievement for "Completing the Netflix Catalog," but there's also no achievement for "Sitting for 50 hours watching <media>," either. So I don't see what your issue is if the same media can be enjoyed in 35. That's entirely subjective and something you can't force other people to feel bad about, or whatever-the-gently caress your goal is by whinging about whatever-the-gently caress it is you are about.

It's your life, dude, but your posts on this subject are dripping with subtext that says "well sorry that my brain just works faster than yours" and that isn't likely to garner you any support.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Human Tornada posted:

It's your life, dude, but your posts on this subject are dripping with subtext that says "well sorry that my brain just works faster than yours" and that isn't likely to garner you any support.

Nah, that's not what I intended, and I can totally see it now in hindsight. And I'm not trying to convince anybody to do it, more defend myself against people that say it's impossible or whatever.

Monglo
Mar 19, 2015
I go through most posts here at 2X speed.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Yeah, I don't want to take away the button or whatever, I just think people who willingly use and enjoy it should be locked away for everyone else's safety and peace of mind.

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...

Monglo posted:

I go through most posts here at 2X speed.
Same but porn

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Nah, that's not what I intended, and I can totally see it now in hindsight. And I'm not trying to convince anybody to do it, more defend myself against people that say it's impossible or whatever.

Plenty of people do weird harmless bullshit from time to time, but if you laugh it off and say "yeah, I guess it is a little weird" then most people will let it go as well.

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Reading is faster than listening, period. Some things are better communicated through text, and if those things are for some awful reason spoken instead of written, playing them faster doesn't result in any loss of information and can even improve comprehension. The same applies with video, except that video is more often used for purposes besides raw information conveyance.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Nah, that's not what I intended, and I can totally see it now in hindsight. And I'm not trying to convince anybody to do it, more defend myself against people that say it's impossible or whatever.

I think the fact that you defended yourself so energetically kinda kept it going, man. No one probably gave an actual poo poo about it, but you kinda flipped out a little, which for whatever reason makes the human brain itch in a way that can only be scratched by giving you additional poo poo about your peccadillo.

Human Tornada posted:

Plenty of people do weird harmless bullshit from time to time, but if you laugh it off and say "yeah, I guess it is a little weird" then most people will let it go as well.

This.

Fayez Butts
Aug 24, 2006

Monglo posted:

Speeding up movies is totally fine, heck, that's how I listen to my favourite music.

:whitewater:

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

Erebus posted:

This is largely it. There's a lot of stuff I watch at normal speed because it's something I want to watch and enjoy. But other times there's something I want to "know" more than really watch. American TV dramas always end up having some awful filler episodes, but there may still be some plot development I want to pick up rather than skipping it completely. Or there's some movie that nobody likes, but I'm kind of curious to see it with my own eyes rather than just read reviews complaining about it.

I mean, what are you watching, CBS?

American dramas have gotten really good at eliminating awful filler episodes that used to be such a main part of shows just because: 1) 22 episode seasons 2) no end goal in sight 3) the idea that TV couldn't be as good, let alone better, than film.

If you're watching something like Blue Bloods or NCIS, yeah, you're going to get a lot of crap. Even CBS's biggest prestige drama of the last decade, The Good Wife, had a ton of awful filler episodes, especially as the show went on.

BBC America had an X-Files marathon the other day, and while it was great at the time in 1993, there really was a lot of crap in retrospect. Even the epic mythology episodes that dealt with the alien invasion really just tread a lot of water since they never really knew, or cared, where they were going to go with that storyline. Even the new seasons struggle with this.

But there is so much good stuff out there today, that you don't have to cling to dramas where only a 1/3 of the episodes are any good.

Nihonniboku fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Apr 2, 2018

Stevie Lee
Oct 8, 2007

10 Beers posted:

My wife and I couldn't get into Nailed It, but that led us to The Great British Baking Show and we really like that.

I'd been avoiding nailed it because it sounded dreadful to me. we ended up putting it on yesterday for the hell of it and episode 1 wasn't as bad as I expected.

so I put on another episode and I was losing it every time the old southern lady said anything. coulda been the reefer, but it was the hardest I've laughed in a while.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Detective No. 27 posted:

The new season of TPB was an improvement over the last couple. The memorandum to John Dunsworth at the end was nice. :unsmith:

Which episode was it. I don't want to watch it all because tbh I'm tired of TPB. But I loved John Dunsworth and Mr. Lahey. That was the only reason I'd even peep a second of these new seasons.

Asnorban
Jun 13, 2003

Professor Gavelsmoke


10 Beers posted:

My wife and I couldn't get into Nailed It, but that led us to The Great British Baking Show and we really like that.

Nailed It is like a 3x speed show until the final reveals. Because it’s reality television I don’t feel bad saying that.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

CelticPredator posted:

Which episode was it. I don't want to watch it all because tbh I'm tired of TPB. But I loved John Dunsworth and Mr. Lahey. That was the only reason I'd even peep a second of these new seasons.

Very end of the last episode.

I'm seeing them live next week. It's gonna be kinda emotional, especially knowing that this show got delayed because of his death.

nessin
Feb 7, 2010

MeatwadIsGod posted:

I'm only three episodes into Wild, Wild Country and drat it's gripping. So far I'm more on the side of the Rajneeshes because their transformation of barren ranchland into a self-sustaining community was some awe-inspiring stuff that mostly overshadows the weird personality cult around the Bhagwan. You get the sense that Antelope's townsfolk are mostly jealous and overtly hostile and provocative, and most of the Rajneeshes' response to this is reasonable (so far). The state and federal government being cautious and wary is totally understandable and even prudent with all this just being a few years after Jonestown.

You may have a different opinion when you reach the end, but even if you don't (and you are interested enough) it's worth doing some googling after you finish up. There are a couple very important details that the documentary doesn't explicitly explain that lead you to be more sympathetic to the cult than the average person would otherwise be.

nessin fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Apr 3, 2018

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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Nihonniboku posted:

I mean, what are you watching, CBS?

American dramas have gotten really good at eliminating awful filler episodes that used to be such a main part of shows just because: 1) 22 episode seasons 2) no end goal in sight 3) the idea that TV couldn't be as good, let alone better, than film.

If you're watching something like Blue Bloods or NCIS, yeah, you're going to get a lot of crap. Even CBS's biggest prestige drama of the last decade, The Good Wife, had a ton of awful filler episodes, especially as the show went on.

BBC America had an X-Files marathon the other day, and while it was great at the time in 1993, there really was a lot of crap in retrospect. Even the epic mythology episodes that dealt with the alien invasion really just tread a lot of water since they never really knew, or cared, where they were going to go with that storyline. Even the new seasons struggle with this.

But there is so much good stuff out there today, that you don't have to cling to dramas where only a 1/3 of the episodes are any good.

The good seasons of the x files were like 1/3 great, 1/3 fine, and 1/3 absolute garbage. That's just the good seasons mind you, let's not get into Dogget.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

Baron von Eevl posted:

The good seasons of the x files were like 1/3 great, 1/3 fine, and 1/3 absolute garbage. That's just the good seasons mind you, let's not get into Dogget.

That sounds accurate.

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
The "monster of the week" episodes were far better than the over-arching narrative ones that just needlessly dragged conspiracies and plot threads (Samantha) along forever. The first 2-3 seasons had high density and high quality "monster of the weeks". After that the diminishing returns ramp up fast.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
I only remember two things about x-files:

That episode with the flesh-eating whatever inside the old-growth redwood (ends with the lightbulb in the shack flickering/going out?)


Running up to change the channel when I heard the theme music because it came on right after other shows I watched but I did (and do, kinda) have this fear of "greys" and that show spooked the gently caress out of 12-year-old me.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

MeatwadIsGod posted:

The "monster of the week" episodes were far better than the over-arching narrative ones that just needlessly dragged conspiracies and plot threads (Samantha) along forever. The first 2-3 seasons had high density and high quality "monster of the weeks". After that the diminishing returns ramp up fast.

I maintain that the Mytharc episodes are still great all the way through the first two seasons. Third season is where it starts to go off the rails, but it’s still basically comprehensible. It coasts like that all the way up to the movie, then immediately after that there’s no possible reason you should ever rewatch a mytharc episode.

Those season 1 mytharc episodes, though, the ones with Deep Throat and little parcels of conspiracy answers? They’re gold.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


When I was a kid I'd just watch the X-files if it was a Monster of the Week and turn it off if it was the alien poo poo.

Gnome de plume
Sep 5, 2006

Hell.
Fucking.
Yes.
Just noticed the entire season of Reboot: The Guardian Code's been dumped into Netflix. Has anyone checked it out? I'd do it myself but I uh, don't want to.

Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012

X-Ray Pecs posted:

There’s a difference between, say, listening to Wire’s 2-minute version of 1 2 X U at 2x speed and Minor Threat’s 1-minute version of the same song. Namely, Minor Threat’s version sounds faster and more energetic while the modified original version would sound like the loving Chipmunks. Art is made to be experienced in a certain way, and to rush through it is dumb as hell.

Respect Nightcore

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Big Mean Jerk posted:

I maintain that the Mytharc episodes are still great all the way through the first two seasons. Third season is where it starts to go off the rails, but it’s still basically comprehensible. It coasts like that all the way up to the movie, then immediately after that there’s no possible reason you should ever rewatch a mytharc episode.

Those season 1 mytharc episodes, though, the ones with Deep Throat and little parcels of conspiracy answers? They’re gold.
I totally agree with this. It wasn’t obvious at first that they had no idea where they were going with the mytharc stuff. When I rewatched it a few years ago I stopped somewhere in season 4 (I figured I would at least get through all the Vancouver seasons, but, welp).

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

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Nihonniboku posted:

I mean, what are you watching, CBS?

American dramas have gotten really good at eliminating awful filler episodes that used to be such a main part of shows just because: 1) 22 episode seasons 2) no end goal in sight 3) the idea that TV couldn't be as good, let alone better, than film.

If you're watching something like Blue Bloods or NCIS, yeah, you're going to get a lot of crap. Even CBS's biggest prestige drama of the last decade, The Good Wife, had a ton of awful filler episodes, especially as the show went on.

BBC America had an X-Files marathon the other day, and while it was great at the time in 1993, there really was a lot of crap in retrospect. Even the epic mythology episodes that dealt with the alien invasion really just tread a lot of water since they never really knew, or cared, where they were going to go with that storyline. Even the new seasons struggle with this.

But there is so much good stuff out there today, that you don't have to cling to dramas where only a 1/3 of the episodes are any good.

Filler TV absolutely still exists, it just takes the form of long shots, monologues every episode, or characters delivering lines slowly and not trading lines quickly. Yes, even modern prestige tv.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

david_a posted:

I totally agree with this. It wasn’t obvious at first that they had no idea where they were going with the mytharc stuff. When I rewatched it a few years ago I stopped somewhere in season 4 (I figured I would at least get through all the Vancouver seasons, but, welp).

I think what helped the X-Files a lot during it's initial run was broadcast TV in the 90's. It aired Sundays in the 9:00-10:00 slot fall thru spring, so it was dark out during the first run, which added to the already creepy for the time atmosphere. On top of that you had a weekly cool down between episodes, as well as the winter programming break.

Today you can watch 5 episodes of the X-Files on a Saturday afternoon, which kills all of the above. The X-Files was a show that really benefited from exactly where it was in the TV schedule.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

X-Ray Pecs posted:

Filler TV absolutely still exists, it just takes the form of long shots, monologues every episode, or characters delivering lines slowly and not trading lines quickly. Yes, even modern prestige tv.

That's really not the same as filler though. Long shots are nice to look at, they're aesthetically pleasing and so they have a function other than just filling up time. Monologues(good ones at least) are entertaining and provide good character moments, and lines delivered slowly are often delivered that way for dramatic purposes. So to watch those things on 1.5 speed would be to lessen the impact their intended to have, which again, is about more than just filling time.

Filler is when a show is a treadmill for long stretches of time where no development happens with either the plot or the characters.

Pingiivi
Mar 26, 2010

Straight into the iris!

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

I only remember two things about x-files:

That episode with the flesh-eating whatever inside the old-growth redwood (ends with the lightbulb in the shack flickering/going out?)


This is the one I remember as well. It freaked me out as a kid. I bought the X-files complete box set thing and it still holds up pretty well.

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X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

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Basebf555 posted:

That's really not the same as filler though. Long shots are nice to look at, they're aesthetically pleasing and so they have a function other than just filling up time. Monologues(good ones at least) are entertaining and provide good character moments, and lines delivered slowly are often delivered that way for dramatic purposes. So to watch those things on 1.5 speed would be to lessen the impact their intended to have, which again, is about more than just filling time.

Filler is when a show is a treadmill for long stretches of time where no development happens with either the plot or the characters.

What about a show like Better Call Saul where it’s both? :smug: :iceburn:

I like BCS, but I feel like so much of its runtime is dedicated to these things which technically aren’t filler, but they don’t do much to push story and character forward, and maintain a holding pattern. The Walking Dead (at least the 1.5 seasons I watched) was WAY worse about it, and something like Daredevil’s first season wouldn’t technically have filler but it’s also twice as long as it needs to be. Peep Show has it right, six episodes a season.

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