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the degrowth being advocated in this thread goes a fair bit past just reducing waste and changes in material production!! no one disagrees with that!
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THS posted:the degrowth being advocated in this thread goes a fair bit past just reducing waste and changes in material production!! no one disagrees with that! it doesn't go a fair bit beyond that, but it doesn't take as gospel that every existing mode of living we have now is necessary or desirable, or that incredibly densely populated urban centers that arose for the express purpose of for-profit capitalism are necessary or desirable, everything has to be ruthlessly critiqued if we're going to survive. there are also no prescriptions being handed out, except for poo poo mentioned in that article which sounds weird. we're just saying everything has to be on the table, examined, impact analyzed, that's a materialist approach to surviving climate change imho
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smarxist posted:it doesn't go a fair bit beyond that, but it doesn't take as gospel that every existing mode of living we have now is necessary or desirable, or that incredibly densely populated urban centers that arose for the express purpose of for-profit capitalism are necessary or desirable, everything has to be ruthlessly critiqued if we're going to survive. there are also no prescriptions being handed out, except for poo poo mentioned in that article which sounds weird. we're just saying everything has to be on the table, examined, impact analyzed, that's a materialist approach to surviving climate change imho what about ruthlessly critiquing degrowth
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Karl Barks posted:what about ruthlessly critiquing degrowth gopher it
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Karl Barks posted:what about ruthlessly critiquing degrowth
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The Curious Degrowth of Benjamin Button
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smarxist posted:imagine thinking you have the personal capacity for a revolution but you can't loving imagine a world with slightly different living conditions/priorities/materials used incredibly frail nerd who goes into panic attacks when twitter goes down for an hour: the revolution is at hand comrade
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bofa deegrowth
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Who knew a bunch of first world leftists would balk at the idea that their lifestyles are unsustainable without massive exploitation and environmental degradation
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This is also why the fully automated luxury communism meme is bad btw. It sets up an expectation that we're all going to be living in the culture in socialism
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Dreddout posted:This is also why the fully automated luxury communism meme is bad btw. It sets up an expectation that we're all going to be living in the culture in socialism I'm sure that misconception will be addressed when FALC: The Novelisation of the hit 2015 Meme comes out in a few weeks
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So.. who exactly is going to offer to replace the means of production for societies without the vast capital reserves usually required to build nuclear power plants? Cuz to me this whole 'degrowth' idea seems to rely on the idea that as rich societies decarbonize their industries, Africa isn't going to continue industrializing using the same carbon-intensive means that got capitalist states where they are today. Which in turn would rely on the absurd dream that they wouldn't have to sacrifice their growth and stability (and thus their basic justification for existence) to prevent us from loving this planet into a coma Someone is going to have to replace all those coal plants if you want to avoid making S.T.A.L.K.E.R. VR into actual reality.
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Dreddout posted:This is also why the fully automated luxury communism meme is bad btw. It sets up an expectation that we're all going to be living in the culture in socialism lmao "meme" look at this joker. e:  is a goal not a meme
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Kurnugia posted:So.. who exactly is going to offer to replace the means of production for societies without the vast capital reserves usually required to build nuclear power plants? Cuz to me this whole 'degrowth' idea seems to rely on the idea that as rich societies decarbonize their industries, Africa isn't going to continue industrializing using the same carbon-intensive means that got capitalist states where they are today. Which in turn would rely on the absurd dream that they wouldn't have to sacrifice their growth and stability (and thus their basic justification for existence) to prevent us from loving this planet into a coma Presumably a global society capable of implementing degrowth policies. (ie: socialist) Would divert first world capital to industrialize the third world safely. Similar to how the USSR aided African nations but on a much grander scale. This of course assumes a massive socialist wave in the future but the other alternative is planet death.
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Truga posted:lmao "meme" look at this joker. i’m the я instead of an R
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Dreddout posted:Presumably a global society capable of implementing degrowth policies. (ie: socialist) Would divert first world capital to industrialize the third world safely. Similar to how the USSR aided African nations but on a much grander scale. Uhuh... So this degrowth plan is only possible to implement after a global socialist revolution? And only with the cooperation of the capitalist states. Sounds promising.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:i’m the я instead of an R can't use the я word in c-spam anymore
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Kurnugia posted:Uhuh... So this degrowth plan is only possible to implement after a global socialist revolution? And only with the cooperation of the capitalist states. Sounds promising. you don't leave any capitalist nations around if you have a global socialist revolution
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sounds good, y'all start on the worldwide revolution i'll get the tenant's union where i am to follow your lead once that kicks off.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:i’m the я instead of an R Luxuyay!
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Peanut President posted:Luxuyay! Commueesim
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Impermanent posted:sounds good, y'all start on the worldwide revolution i'll get the tenant's union where i am to follow your lead once that kicks off. I mean realistically it's not going to happen but neither is industrial society surviving another 100 years. tenant union or no
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Missed the degrowth discussion but I have to recommend reading Leigh Phillips, specifically his book Austerity Ecology and the Collapse Porn Addicts. It turned me around completely on the concept of degrowth.
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lmao the last big CSPAM degrowth argument started because of Leigh and Michael Rozworski's Chapo interview
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Oh yeah lol. Their book together is also fantastic.
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Autism Sneaks posted:moving the slider on my "Research Funding" bar to Max so the tech points I need to unlock Cold Fusion accumulate faster take the word "cold" out and this is actually the opinion of the people who do fusion research guys back in the 70s were saying that if we ploughed billions into it, we'd have it now, but instead funding never increased from there instead we decommission fission plants and replace them with coal and natural gas
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Flowers For Algeria posted:christ imagine the horror of a world that goes through degrowth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5qDsOmz-Yk
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Karl Barks posted:fascism is anti-capitalism Brain Genius Karl Barks
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Top City Homo posted:Brain Genius Karl Barks thank you!
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check out how many former RCP members are standing for EU elections for nigel farage https://medium.com/@SJHolloway/this-is-everything-i-discovered-about-all-of-the-brexit-party-mep-candidates-2a59f8f850c5
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