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Nessus posted:A general thought about the story so far. Which I'm spoilering mostly out of courtesy even if it's mostly about how the First gets presented. It was an element I noticed and enjoyed, and fed into a theme that was emphasized multiple times through the expansion and which has existed in clear form since Answers was sung ("Those who walk before lead those that walk after"). That people will and need to work for better futures, even when it appears hopeless, even when you likely won't live to see your hopes realized. It's brought to the front with Ardbert's musings during the battle in Lakeland after he failed to save the lives of two frightened soldiers--"Though the losses be grave, endure them. Though the victories be hollow, claim them"--and again when the Exarch confronts Vauthry, espousing the virtue of willing to work for a better world you won't get to see against the myopic, self-absorbed indulging in the now. Goodness gracious, the writing this time around was spectacular.
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As an admittedly casual SCH main, I'm trying to figure out why so many people are dissatisfied. There are disappointments like not bring able to AF out of combat, but overall it still feels like SCH to me. What am I missing?
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YorexTheMad posted:As an admittedly casual SCH main, I'm trying to figure out why so many people are dissatisfied. There are disappointments like not bring able to AF out of combat, but overall it still feels like SCH to me. What am I missing? main complain I've heard is that no energy drain means you can't dump aether stacks anymore
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Jul 8, 2019 10:11
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So for mining and botany right now once you have enough gathering to reveal unspoiled nodes in one hit and enough GP for your full collectable rotation (and a spare Sharp Vision 2) do you just pump up perception as high as you can so that Impulsive Appraisal 2 will proc Discerning Eye more?
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Jul 8, 2019 10:26
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Congrats you're finally getting to the good stuff. Oh that makes a lot of sense. When prince nicehair of the templars walked in I was like "Wait is this a different game what happened". I really felt like his storyline was the start of HW in a way that none of the other Coerthas stuff pulled off before that point. I think in Snowcloak I got a party of 4 people and we were all brand new to the dungeon at the same point in the MSQ and we all started talking about how good the music was and how cool the dungeon was and the story is finally picking up. Even for the bosses we were like "Whatever let's figure it out" which was a welcome change from "BARD U IDIOT YOU DIDN'T RUN AROUND IN A FIGURE 8 AND THEN EMOTE /joy WHEN BOSS CHARGED ATTACK?" But honestly, with all of it behind me now - they need to cut out no joke 75% of the ARR MSQ. Some of that stuff could stay in the game as a literal side quest and you'd lose absolutely nothing. I am almost level 60 and I didn't even start HW.
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YorexTheMad posted:As an admittedly casual SCH main, I'm trying to figure out why so many people are dissatisfied. There are disappointments like not bring able to AF out of combat, but overall it still feels like SCH to me. What am I missing? Besides that, aetherflow management is a big one. Since you need the MP, just sitting on stacks forever is not really a good option. But you have nothing to spend it on that's not a heal so you waste it on unnecessary Lustrates or Indom or just refresh it with 2 stacks still sitting there unused and hope it will be back before the last enemy of an encounter dies instead of 1 second after. At the same time, if you DO need it (eg. big trash pulls) but can't recharge it out of combat, it's awful having to start fights without a single stack for stuff like pre-Excog on the tank or Lustrate on the run between packs while AF cools down. So when you're balls to the wall healing, SCH is mostly fine because it has great tools (especially for single targets) as long as Aetherflow doesn't get in the way. Every time you're not healing 105%, it almost instantly becomes dull because Broil takes a full GCD to cast (ie. not good for weaving) and Ruin II has significantly lower potency if you want to weave OGCDs. Art of War uses 33% more MP for 7% more potency and doesn't even have a secondary effect compared to Holy too (also the GFX and SFX is kind of weak, but that's IMO). And that's it, there's nothing else to do because your super fairy also can't do anything but heal even better. So basically SCHs got used to somewhat frantic gameplay with lots of (weaker) options and all they got for the new expansion was... even more healing (they were already good at that) in exchange for crippled Aetherflow management and extremely cut-down green DPS options.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Oh that makes a lot of sense. When prince nicehair of the templars walked in I was like "Wait is this a different game what happened". I really felt like his storyline was the start of HW in a way that none of the other Coerthas stuff pulled off before that point. How many wipes to the yeti?
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Jul 8, 2019 11:05
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Tried the 71 dungeon as an AST, I ran out of buttons on the first double pull, and had to resort to just mainlining Benefic IIs into the tank with them hovering just above 10%. Few pages old, but Scholar's Aetherflow has the same problem now. The dungeons in Shadowbringers hit like a truck unless you're stat capped. The same was kinda true for SB, but it's definitely more exaggerated here. The tankbusters on bosses are serious business now too. Of course, AST just needs some potency buffs as well. Banjo Kaczynski posted:main complain I've heard is that no energy drain means you can't dump aether stacks anymore It's this, more than anything. The lack of DoTs does feel really bad against bosses, but it's fine. I've been slowly leveling SCH the past couple days and I've only a few times used all of my Aetherflow before refreshing it. Either Energy Drain or something like it should be added back in, or wasted Aetherflow should just automatically be converted to MP so I can spam Art of War more. Krabboss fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Jul 8, 2019 11:14
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drat, was thinking of picking up AST as a healer so I can have quick queue times and be loved by all, but that got cured the second I read what everyone thought of them. Yikes! Anyway, thinking of picking up a new class at level 50 since NIN feels wonky to me because it's kinda hard to dial up ninjutsu stuff AND do combos for me. How does Red Mage play?
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Jul 8, 2019 11:14
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Jul 8, 2019 11:15
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So the Nier: Automata raid... Doing side quests out of Tomra: The dwarves refer to their robo frogs as "automata", and one of the dwarf tribes apparently found a massive graveyard of machines, with two named twins in matching black/white outfits apparently having plans for "world domination" out of it, though the quests end fairly quickly and not much else is explained. That's absolutely gonna be where the Nier:Automata tie in is, isn't it?
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SunAndSpring posted:drat, was thinking of picking up AST as a healer so I can have quick queue times and be loved by all, but that got cured the second I read what everyone thought of them. Yikes!  " they're missing and maybe you like enough about the job that it makes it okay to live with the new card mechanics).Of course the "problem" with healers is there's no shortcut to a level where you have most tools in order to see how they really play. AST at 30 is not complete, WHM starts at 1 and SCH starts as a level 1 DPS job. You could try Palace of the Dead but that doesn't really challenge your healing. I really hope they add another healing job next expansion. RDM is pretty straightforward and a good "beginner" job IMO, because it's just complex enough it lets you focus on the environment and mechanics most of the time, instead of trying to min-max three bars full of DoTs, buffs and combos.
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Jul 8, 2019 11:29
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orcane posted:Don't rely on other people's opinions completely, they're often biased in a way you won't be if you pick up a job from scratch (ie. you don't know the "good old days I've been doing Titania extreme with my husband for the last couple days and he's been a raid/ex trial healer since HW. He was extremely stressed out trying to heal it as AST. It's difficult and it's awkward and that just isn't the case for the other healers. Not to mention, WHMs deal 4k+ dps easily while having an easier time healing. And even in dungeons, AST damage is bad and the healing toolkit is underwhelming. They're in a really bad spot right now, but most of the issues will be solved by increasing the potencies on pretty much everything they do.
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orcane posted:I really hope they add another healing job next expansion. edit: Unbreaker
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Spoiler pic bandwagoning: but slighty different angle because I forgot to take a screenshot mid cutscene  This game is so good.
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Krabboss posted:I've been doing Titania extreme with my husband for the last couple days and he's been a raid/ex trial healer since HW. He was extremely stressed out trying to heal it as AST. It's difficult and it's awkward and that just isn't the case for the other healers. Not to mention, WHMs deal 4k+ dps easily while having an easier time healing. Don't get me wrong, I see how AST is pretty lovely to play right now, but I still advise against dismissing a job completely based on third party testimonials. By the time they level an AST from 30 to wherever healing becomes stressful, perhaps AST gets buffs and fixes already. It sucks you can't really try them in relevant content before that and potentially waste the time spent leveling. But then again, maybe in the future they'll cripple the other healers instead and then you're glad you have done AST  Otherwise just buy a WHM jump potion because WHM owns.
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Titania ex has like no damage happening, so my kneejerk reaction is just that they're grumpy with ast changes moreso than the job not being able to heal
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There's only one part of Titania EX that takes a lot of healing throughput and even then it's only if a warrior is the MT.
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super sweet best pal posted:Post-79 Trial spoilers: The entire post-79 stuff made me feel more helpless than any other game ever has and it ruled.
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Minrad posted:Titania ex has like no damage happening, so my kneejerk reaction is just that they're grumpy with ast changes moreso than the job not being able to heal Him and every other AST, I guess. Just for no reason, probably! It's less of a problem now that we have the clear and don't have to team with people who eat unnecessary damage, that is true. You're still doing less damage and less healing as an AST compared to WHM though. And healing a Holmgang'd Warrior or a DRK who used Living Dead isn't especially fun as AST. And like I said, the same is true in dungeons. They're less good at handling massive pulls than a WHM, both because of less bursty healing as well as the fact WHM can just permastun trash. orcane posted:Don't get me wrong, I see how AST is pretty lovely to play right now, but I still advise against dismissing a job completely based on third party testimonials. By the time they level an AST from 30 to wherever healing becomes stressful, perhaps AST gets buffs and fixes already. It sucks you can't really try them in relevant content before that and potentially waste the time spent leveling. But then again, maybe in the future they'll cripple the other healers instead and then you're glad you have done AST I see your point, yeah. Don't buy jump potions though, leveling to 80 takes no time. And I've been stuck in dungeons with people who've used jump potions several times this week and it's truly awful. Krabboss fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Jul 8, 2019 12:14
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I have not heard any other ast say they can't heal titania ex They've also always been the weakest dungeon healer for four years running, so I'm not sure why that's a shocking adjustment either. Maybe the only time they've been better is compared to scholar at stormblood launch Ast probably needs their healing potencies bumped by 5% but it's not an unplayable train wreck that deserves insane hyperbole.
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Astroniomix posted:There's only one part of Titania EX that takes a lot of healing throughput and even then it's only if a warrior is the MT. Do you mean fae light? It's meant to be a shared tankbuster, it's pretty easy to deal with if the tanks actually split it, but even solo it's not a big deal stacking cooldowns for it. Heck, warrior can just holmgang both that happen. Same deal for tether too, it's not lethal if the tank stacks cds for the second and third hits, as we learned when our add phases went so fast our pld didn't have hallowed come back up
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Minrad posted:I have not heard any other ast say they can't heal titania ex Of course it's healable, easily, it's just not fun 
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Krabboss posted:Him and every other AST, I guess. Just for no reason, probably! I'm an AST and I have no idea what your husband is talking about WRT healing Titania. AST has also always sucked in dungeons so I'm not sure why these complaint are suddenly surfacing now. Minrad posted:Do you mean fae light? It's meant to be a shared tankbuster, it's pretty easy to deal with if the tanks actually split it, but even solo it's not a big deal stacking cooldowns for it. Heck, warrior can just holmgang both that happen. Same deal for tether too, it's not lethal if the tank stacks cds for the second and third hits, as we learned when our add phases went so fast our pld didn't have hallowed come back up Bearing in mind I've only seen 2 warriors try it so far, the issue is that holmgang lasts about exactly as long as fae light so healers have to heal the first 1-2 hits and then get them back up to full again after the last hit, as opposed to the other 3 tanks who you can just prime horoscope and earthly star and then wait for the last hit then pop both of them to get the tank back up (or do nothing if the MT is a paladin). It's possible that both warriors I've run with were just monumentally stupid, the first run in particular the warrior was having such a hard time with it we just swapped the DRK into the main tank role, but that's my experience with the fight so far. Astroniomix fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Minrad posted:I have not heard any other ast say they can't heal titania ex I never said AST can't heal Titania Ex either. Obviously he did it, because he got the clear. I just said it's the worst at it, and not terribly good in clear parties when you've got 4+ bad players doing their best to ruin the run for you. Astroniomix posted:I'm an AST and I have no idea what your husband is talking about WRT healing Titania. They're surfacing now, I imagine, because tanks need more babysitting this expansion and without the oGCDs of Scholar or the stun of WHM it's really exacerbating AST's shortcomings. I mean, AST is a nightmare to play just killing mobs in the field even. Edit: There's one AST in the top 15 clears for Titania Ex on fflogs. Everybody is running WHM and SCH. Krabboss fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Finished MSQ last night, I literally stayed up like seven hours longer than I should have to finish the end of it. It was spectacular. From the second half of Kholusia up until the final cutscene I was pretty much all in (with a minor "ehn okay i guess" at the fish people but it didn't last too long thankfully) My only real complaint about the MSQ is that it is rather silly to have a level 79 quest require finishing a level 80 quest to continue. I feel that it could have been done better, tbh. Otherwise, stellar on just about every front. Bandwagon 
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Krabboss posted:Edit: There's one AST in the top 15 clears for Titania Ex on fflogs. Everybody is running WHM and SCH. That's almost purely because of how low AST's DPS is, their healing is more or less ok but they went overboard with the damage.
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for anyone else wanting to compare them, I overlaid the Norvrandt and Eorzea maps on each other.  Interesting that Gyr Abania and Xelphatol is there almost in full, and some of Dravania made it (although anything near Sohm Al and probably most of the hinterlands wouldn't have made it)
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SirSamVimes posted:The entire post-79 stuff made me feel more helpless than any other game ever has and it ruled. I was an emotional wreck the rest of the way through the MSQ.
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Astroniomix posted:That's almost purely because of how low AST's DPS is, their healing is more or less ok but they went overboard with the damage. That's correct. They're not good in farm parties. I'm also saying they're not good in clear/learning parties, though. I dunno what your experience was with the clear, but we're just a group of 4 who have to rely on strangers to get the first kill before we can have an easy time doing anything. AST wasn't fun in clear parties this time, when that wasn't really the case in previous expansions.
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  There are some beds that only potatoes can get to. /dozing in them results in these new animations. Thanks to Yapping Eevee for help recording them. Also, bandwagonposting:  TXT BOOTY7 2 47474 posted:Was this on Reddit or something? I'd be interested in poking through those results Please be aware that this is a Japanese translation of English reddit poll results. It's a nice graph, but yeah, NA/EU, not JP polling. TXT BOOTY7 2 47474 posted:I've been having better luck with Nocturnal Sect in dungeons now, oddly enough. Don't really like it and I'd like to go back to diurnal, but when I swapped over suddenly tanks weren't getting chunked anymore. orz SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Jul 8, 2019 12:49
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Krabboss posted:I'm also saying they're not good in clear/learning parties, though. Why not?
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TXT BOOTY7 2 47474 posted:So my chocobo hit rank 10 and I see from googling that I need to buy Thavnairian Onion to get him to the next rank. However, those are a whopping 600k a piece on my server! Is that normal? Is that worth it? (I guess that's a personal opinion question.) There's two sidequests that reward a single onion each. At level 50, in the market area of Ishgard, visit Mathye. At level 57, go see Hervoix in the Dravanian Forelands.
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The card changes are like the only good thing about new AST, I have no clue why that'd be brought up as a bad thing
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Krabboss posted:That's correct. They're not good in farm parties. I'm also saying they're not good in clear/learning parties, though. I dunno what your experience was with the clear, but we're just a group of 4 who have to rely on strangers to get the first kill before we can have an easy time doing anything. AST wasn't fun in clear parties this time, when that wasn't really the case in previous expansions. Why? You keep saying they're bad/not fun, but haven't given any reason or explanation for that. Fun is subjective and you can at least point to the changed card system for that, but aside from numbers tweaking and the loss of opposition on stacked hots, nothing has changed for their healing model. They even have multiple new oGCD heals, so I really don't know what the problem is unless you can state one.
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Minrad posted:Why? You keep saying they're bad/not fun, but haven't given any reason or explanation for that. Fun is subjective and you can at least point to the changed card system for that, but aside from numbers tweaking and the loss of opposition on stacked hots, nothing has changed for their healing model. They even have multiple new oGCD heals, so I really don't know what the problem is unless you can state one. I have. Now post your parses.
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