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Orv posted:Roving Parisian gangs burn the Picard vineyards to the ground, forcing John Luc back into Starfleet. If only they had listened to Tasha Yar's warnings about grape gangs! 
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Jul 8, 2019 23:55
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So weird that Roddenberry went far, far out of his way to insist that everyone in the future has satisfying sex with well-endowed aliens, and then TNG is so awkward and weird about sex that it became a cultural icon of relationship dysfunction.
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Jul 8, 2019 23:59
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Arglebargle III posted:So weird that Roddenberry went far, far out of his way to insist that everyone in the future has satisfying sex with well-endowed aliens, and then TNG is so awkward and weird about sex that it became a cultural icon of relationship dysfunction. His name wasn’t Relationshipenberry
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Jul 9, 2019 00:10
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lost my old email posted:gene had deeply ruminated on all the relevant lore aforehand. it was mostly alien dick sizes but turbbolifts were also in there Don't get me started:  
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Jul 9, 2019 00:23
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The Bloop posted:Actually the dumbest version of the Wonkavator ever put on film was in DISCO  wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Jul 9, 2019 00:25
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Thom12255 posted:Weren't the movie and the finale being done at the exact same time by the same people? If Memory Alpha is to be believed yes and they also thought that All Good Things ended up being the better effort. Generations is a pretty movie with good acting but its plot is a loving mess and didn't know what it wanted to do. Like the whole thing about time being and enemy and how do we deal with our past, present, and future are interesting concepts but they never do anything with it. First Contact, which I love, had Stewart ask to switch Picard and Riker's positions in the script. Riker was suppose to be the one on the Enterprise fighting the Borg and Stewart making the warp flight. Though, I think that switch worked out well at the end of the day.
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Jul 9, 2019 00:48
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Lemniscate Blue posted:The Oberth-class turbolifts move at warp 10. Step inside, the door closes, and you're instantaneously at your destination in the secondary hull. Yeah, they're either on the threshold of success, or the threshold of an evolutionary leap that will turn everyone into brundleflies before they emerge as a horny salamanders.
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Jul 9, 2019 01:08
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Astroman posted:Don't get me started: That's all on Herman Zimmerman. Mooseontheloose posted:If Memory Alpha is to be believed yes and they also thought that All Good Things ended up being the better effort. Generations is a pretty movie with good acting but its plot is a loving mess and didn't know what it wanted to do. Like the whole thing about time being and enemy and how do we deal with our past, present, and future are interesting concepts but they never do anything with it. Generations was the result of a completely and utterly burnt-out writing pair. They weren't writing it concurrently with All Good Things..., but they moved to it right afterwards (during which time Piller added a stupid-rear end subplot about space pilgrims trying to get to the anomaly to AGT that everyone, from Berman on down, said "what the gently caress?" to and it was thankfully cut), and they were just cooked at that point, desperately needing a break. quote:First Contact, which I love, had Stewart ask to switch Picard and Riker's positions in the script. Riker was suppose to be the one on the Enterprise fighting the Borg and Stewart making the warp flight. Though, I think that switch worked out well at the end of the day. It was a good switch, but the problem is that we already saw Picard work through his PTSD in Family, I, Borg, and to a lesser extent, Descent. Then out of the blue he's a raging psychopath, because Stewart wanted to be an action hero.
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Jul 9, 2019 01:15
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There’s the core of a good movie in Generations, about the conflict between Picard and Soren, duty vs self-gratification, moving forward vs getting stuck in the past, acceptance vs regret. These are significant themes and if the writing had been there, two actors of the quality of Stewart and McDowell having them out could have been great. The problem is that even if you ignore the “emotion chip” and “Duras Twins” plotlines which have little to do with these themes, you still have the “return of Kirk” plotline which completely shits on them. Kirk’s appearance in the movie is just masturbatory. All of it is just an excuse to shoehorn old fat Shatner into a movie that has nothing to say about his character. Ironically the movie itself is stuck in the past and would rather try and wow you with a guy who was in a bunch of the other movies than deal with its own characters and plot. It stifles whatever the movie is trying to get across to satisfy a narrative urge on the level of “could the Alien beat the Predator in a fight”.
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Jul 9, 2019 01:16
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my pitch for the generations remake: the TNG crew have to go back in time and intervene with an entirely separate TOS time travel mission to ensure kirk hooks up with his own greatn gramma and preserves the timeline
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Jul 9, 2019 01:25
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skasion posted:There’s the core of a good movie in Generations, about the conflict between Picard and Soren, duty vs self-gratification, moving forward vs getting stuck in the past, acceptance vs regret. These are significant themes and if the writing had been there, two actors of the quality of Stewart and McDowell having them out could have been great. Yeah, the biggest issue with the movie is Moore and Braga's script being obsessed with "passing the torch" or whatever, even though Nimoy already passed the torch in Unification.
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Jul 9, 2019 01:32
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Timby posted:Yeah, the biggest issue with the movie is Moore and Braga's script being obsessed with "passing the torch" or whatever, even though Nimoy already passed the torch in Unification. Nope, the torch got passed at the end of Star Trek VI, at the exact moment Kirk corrected himself: "boldly going where no man – where no one – has gone before."
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Jul 9, 2019 01:38
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The Oberth class is great because it's the starship equivalent of a Coast Guard Cutter and of course Starfleet must have dumpy little ships like that. It's not just fancy explorer-cruisers.
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Jul 9, 2019 02:02
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Timby posted:Yeah, the biggest issue with the movie is Moore and Braga's script being obsessed with "passing the torch" or whatever, even though Nimoy already passed the torch in Unification. I’ve heard Moore and Braga’s DVD commentary track features a lot of pretty insightful self-criticism. Never watched with it though
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Jul 9, 2019 02:12
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Powered Descent posted:Nope, the torch got passed at the end of Star Trek VI, at the exact moment Kirk corrected himself: "boldly going where no man – where no one – has gone before." It was so weird to have the random grouping of Chekov, Kirk, and Scotty on the Ent-B to begin with
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Jul 9, 2019 02:16
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Sulu was busy doing Excelsior stuff, Bones couldn't be bothered, Spock was unreachable, and Gary was still buried beneath a boulder.
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Jul 9, 2019 02:21
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FlamingLiberal posted:They really should have just left it there Nimoy had no interest since he felt he had already said "goodbye" to Trek with Unification and The Undiscovered Country (which came out months apart from each other), Kelley was already starting to be in ill health and was content to just live out his days; he had made a million bucks from The Undiscovered Country (because Shatner took a pay cut), and had made a few hundred thousand bucks on each movie, and made a bunch of money from convention appearances, too--he always lived a simple life and didn't want to do it for a paycheck, he didn't need it. Thus they fell back to Koenig and Doohan. Both of them knew they were second-fiddle choices, so they were able to extort some pretty nice paydays--a little over a million bucks each--from Paramount in exchange for spending two weeks on the set with a guy they both hated.
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Jul 9, 2019 02:26
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Timby posted:Nimoy had no interest since he felt he had already said "goodbye" to Trek with Unification and The Undiscovered Country (which came out months apart from each other), Kelley was already starting to be in ill health and was content to just live out his days; he had made a million bucks from The Undiscovered Country (because Shatner took a pay cut), and had made a few hundred thousand bucks on each movie, and made a bunch of money from convention appearances, too--he always lived a simple life and didn't want to do it for a paycheck, he didn't need it. Thus they fell back to Koenig and Doohan. Both of them knew they were second-fiddle choices, so they were able to extort some pretty nice paydays--a little over a million bucks each--from Paramount in exchange for spending two weeks on the set with a guy they both hated. This is also why Chekov goes to tend to the wounded and appoints a few reporters as "nurses". His lines were originally written for McCoy.
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FuturePastNow posted:The Oberth class is great because it's the starship equivalent of a Coast Guard Cutter and of course Starfleet must have dumpy little ships like that. It's not just fancy explorer-cruisers. Coast Guard Cutters kick rear end though. Pound for pound the toughest ships. They're more like the Defiant
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Powered Descent posted:This is also why Chekov goes to tend to the wounded and appoints a few reporters as "nurses". His lines were originally written for McCoy. Yep. Spock and McCoy's lines were basically find-replaced for Scotty and Chekov, with a few minor changes ("I always do," from Scotty, being the one that sticks out). "Captain, is there something wrong with your chair?" is so blatantly a Spock line that it hurts.
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I can see in my mind so clealry McCoy rolling his eyes and going "You and you, you've just become nurses" now and it makes me irrationally angry
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Jul 9, 2019 04:09
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I can see in my mind so clealry McCoy rolling his eyes and going "You and you, you've just become nurses" now and it makes me irrationally angry Same, though oddly enough I hear it in Karl Urban’s voice
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Jul 9, 2019 04:14
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Powered Descent posted:This is also why Chekov goes to tend to the wounded and appoints a few reporters as "nurses". His lines were originally written for McCoy. Yet another example of how stupid Hollywood and movies can be. Sometimes it's a miracle we get anything good at all. Stuff like this or Geordi "he's the alien, right?" and some of the amazingly dumb original pitches for franchise movies. Like how hard would it have been to rewrite appropriate lines for those two characters? How do you see that and say "eh, who cares?"
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Jul 9, 2019 04:28
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The thing I like about Unificaiton is that they really did a good job of painting the ongoing adventures of Spock. Like hearing about how Spock and Sarek's falling out was over the Cardassians is a nice little touch because it hints at this life for Spock that we're not privy to. Kirk just seems so static in comparison.
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Jul 9, 2019 04:29
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I like that both Spock and Tuvok started entirely new careers once they hit middle age, because, hey, if you've got another century or so to live, why not?
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Jul 9, 2019 05:17
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I have to defend Moore and Braga here when it comes to Generations. Not only were they writing that and All Good Things simultaneously (so much so they'd start writing and realize they were writing the wrong script) but ALSO the studio mandated that Generations had to 1) have Kirk 2) have Kirk and Picard meet 3) there can't be any time travel 4) kill Kirk 5) blow up the Enterprise I think they did really well considering the burn out, the small budget, and the bullshit restraints. All Good Things perfect, possibly the best finale ever, so they can write when not hamstrung by clueless execs
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Jul 9, 2019 05:44
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If you're supposed to kill Kirk and blow up an Enterprise, why wouldn't you have him in the captain's chair and do both at the same time? That's the real missed opportunity of Generations. Have him in the battlebridge doing a suicide run to protect the saucer section. It was his bridge anyway. Have him there by himself to link up to "I always knew I'll die alone" line from V.
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BioEnchanted posted:Sorry, wrong thread. Well, you're not wrong anyway.
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Fornax Disaster posted:If you're supposed to kill Kirk and blow up an Enterprise, why wouldn't you have him in the captain's chair and do both at the same time? That's the real missed opportunity of Generations. Well I can understand that dying in a fistfight is visually exciting and classic Kirk on paper, but I agree. Even the writers agree that he should have died on the bridge (not under it lol)
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Powered Descent posted:Nope, the torch got passed at the end of Star Trek VI, at the exact moment Kirk corrected himself: "boldly going where no man – where no one – has gone before." I don't know if there was any sort of angered usenet murmurings or whatever back when they made the man/one change in the tagline, but I get the feeling if the change had been made in TYOOL 2019 there would be a gigantic shitstorm about it from the (somehow still existent) right-wing Trek fans. "SJW political correctness ruining my... future socialist egalitarian space utopia?"
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BioEnchanted posted:I liked the episode with Beverley Crusher getting trapped in the Warp Bubble. That one was cool. Just her breakdown as she grows more and more isolated. That ep is also great because it cements the respect the crew have for each other. When Beverly says "I think something is wrong with the universe", the senior staff immediately start hooking up the negative space wedgie scanners and the "are you sure" only happens after they've done that.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The thing I like about Unificaiton is that they really did a good job of painting the ongoing adventures of Spock. Like hearing about how Spock and Sarek's falling out was over the Cardassians is a nice little touch because it hints at this life for Spock that we're not privy to. He was trapped in a stasis thing for decades
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https://twitter.com/TrekCaptions/status/1147931944765669376 loving OUTRAGEOUS
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Roadie posted:That ep is also great because it cements the respect the crew have for each other. When Beverly says "I think something is wrong with the universe", the senior staff immediately start hooking up the negative space wedgie scanners and the "are you sure" only happens after they've done that. Spock: captain, our female officer thinks there might be cloaked aliens onboard the ship, planning a takeover. Kirk: Bones, thoughts? Hysteria? Menopause? Bones: you wanna slap her or shall I? Kirk: both.
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Jul 9, 2019 11:32
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Gonz posted:https://twitter.com/TrekCaptions/status/1147931944765669376 Where is this from and how can I watch more.
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Jul 9, 2019 11:38
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Kibayasu posted:Where is this from and how can I watch more. It’s from a Netflix show called How to Sell Drugs Online (Fast).
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Jul 9, 2019 11:40
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I thought there were new Beyond Belief episodes and got excited. 
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davidspackage posted:Spock: captain, our female officer thinks there might be cloaked aliens onboard the ship, planning a takeover. I think Kirk would at least hear her out.
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