Throatwarbler posted:

Most white Americans do want uhc, they just don't want non-white people to have it too.

I mean it's just like anything else in this thread, you either have to believe half the country is completely immune to any sort of evidence based good faith argument and constantly act against their own self interest, or Occam's razor suggests there's probably something that they can't say out loud.

EverettLO posted:

All the Limbaugh in the world couldn't break his love for his family and he supported my brother and me through mistakes that flew against the conservative mindset. He also loved babies and had a great relationship with his grandchildren.

Kitfox88 posted:

so he was just as hypocritical as anti-abortion activists who get their kids abortions, cool. your dad actively voted to gently caress over everyone not a white male for guns and reaganomics lol

Ugato posted:

BiggerBoat posted:

quote:

American public (ie government) spending on healthcare per capita is currently roughly the same as in countries that actually have UHC.

So pretty much the same. You have a source?

OECD posted:

Figure 7.1 also shows the split of health spending based on whether it is paid from government sources or some kind of compulsory insurance, or through voluntary means such as voluntary health insurance or direct payments (see indicator on “Financing of health care”). In general, the ranking of per capita expenditure of government and compulsory schemes is comparable to that of total spending.
Even if voluntary insurance in the United States continues to play a significant role in financing health care, the level of spending from federal and state programmes (such as Medicaid) and Medicare is still greater on a per capita basis in the United States than in most other OECD countries, with the exceptions being Luxembourg, Norway and Switzerland.

flashy_mcflash posted:

The economics are probably a little different here but in Toronto I'm paying $2500/mo for both my kids in daycare. I'm on the board of directors for our daycare, which is not-for-profit, and roughly 80% of that cost is labour. We just unionized as well, so that'll probably go up a bit, but that's fine with me because you would have to pay me three times that amount to deal with kids (that weren't my own) all day.

EverettLO posted:

My Trump voting father died of a brain cancer about a month ago. Thinking about his life, it occurs to me that he led the archetypal life of a boomer.

He was born into a family supported by a union electrician who later went on to become a union president. The decent wages and conditions allowed my grandfather to live in a nice house and send my father to college for engineering, the first in our family. My father's relationship with his own father became more strained as he headed into management later in life and as the Republican party stopped pretending to play nice with union workers.

My father appears to have always been right wing, but began to transform into a boomer chud in the age of Reagan. He never seems to have bought fully into the more esoteric Republican beliefs on voodoo economics or cutting all regulations. He was mostly a single issue voter, and that single issue was guns. Culture war issues were a useful cudgel to aggravate the libs but held no real animus for him.

During the early 1990s the company he spend 20 years working for was bought out by another company and he was laid off as redundant. It was the obvious conclusion to everything Reagan's economy embodied. He was able to find another job in local government that he held until a few years before he died. The working conditions were better and the benefits were light years ahead. None of this had any effect on his shallowly considered belief that governments needed to be cut down and that the free market could handle it better.

I watched him transform further during the 1990s as a result of the Contract with America and the explosion Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. No longer would he consider political views outside of the pre-scripted talking points. For someone going through their own teenage political formation, it made earnest conversation all but impossible.

The Bush years were banner years, sort of. All of the ideals he should have loved were politically ascendant but he never seemed satisfied with it. He was not terribly pleased with the invasion of Iraq even if he was fine with Afghanistan. In the 2008 primary he bafflingly chose to vote for Fred Thompson. The election of Obama broke his political will and from then on he just seemed sullen and bitter on the subject of politics. He never seemed to like Trump and thought he was an idiot. He voted for him, though. Anything to see Clinton eat poo poo on a national stage.

In some ways it was not as dire as it sounds. All the Limbaugh in the world couldn't break his love for his family and he supported my brother and me through mistakes that flew against the conservative mindset. He also loved babies and had a great relationship with his grandchildren.

I will miss him despite the fact that our conversations needed to be carefully cultivated to avoid politics. I think this is true of many boomers and their children.

Mr Interweb posted:

i think y'all are a being a bit too harsh here

i mean, yeah that poster's dad WAS objectively awful, but we could show the guy a bit of tact

BraveUlysses posted:

at least with this arrangement most of they money goes to the workers...and they're hopefully paid well???

flashy_mcflash posted:

The economics are probably a little different here but in Toronto I'm paying $2500/mo for both my kids in daycare. I'm on the board of directors for our daycare, which is not-for-profit, and roughly 80% of that cost is labour. We just unionized as well, so that'll probably go up a bit, but that's fine with me because you would have to pay me three times that amount to deal with kids (that weren't my own) all day.

cakesmith handyman posted:

So break this down for me, you're paying $1250/child a month, what's the ratio of workers to children? How much are they getting paid per month?

TotalLossBrain posted:

Charles 2 of Spain posted:

Holy shitballs America

Burt Sexual posted:

My county proactively voted to raise the minimum to $15/hour, the state legislature promptly passed a law prohibiting cities and counties from establishing a min wage. Party of freedom.

zegermans posted:

Are you from Missouri because I'm pretty sure that happened to St. Louis

Freaking Crumbum posted:

i don't know if anyone else has had this experience, but it's absolutely insane how american evangelicalism has become a blatant death-cult.

my boomer parents

selec posted:

happened here in my city in Iowa, so DSA canvassed local restaurants and got them to pledge to pay the new minimum wage despite the state law, and picketed the few holdouts until they agreed too.

selec posted:

happened here in my city in Iowa, so DSA canvassed local restaurants and got them to pledge to pay the new minimum wage despite the state law, and picketed the few holdouts until they agreed too.

selec posted:

happened here in my city in Iowa, so DSA canvassed local restaurants and got them to pledge to pay the new minimum wage despite the state law, and picketed the few holdouts until they agreed too.

flashy_mcflash posted:

It's not split equally. We pay 1700 for our toddler (2 years old) and 550 for our older one (6 years old). The ratios are mandated by the province - around 3:1 kids:ECE's. The workers rates vary based on seniority but they're about 20-25/hr plus benefits. Most are right in the middle or at the top end of that range.

flashy_mcflash posted:

It's not split equally. We pay 1700 for our toddler (2 years old) and 550 for our older one (6 years old). The ratios are mandated by the province - around 3:1 kids:ECE's. The workers rates vary based on seniority but they're about 20-25/hr plus benefits. Most are right in the middle or at the top end of that range.

Crunchy Black posted:

loving , OP

Freaking Crumbum posted:

yeah, that's been the case since i was in my early 20s and my youngest brother came out and my parents (predictably) treated him like poo poo. i had moved out when i was 18 and had been living on my own for several years, so when he came out and told me what they said / did to him, i had him move in with me and told my parents how badly they had hosed up, treating their own son like this. i mean, they weren't cool with me either, but since i'm cis-het i didn't have to deal with the kind of mind games they apparently started dropping on him.

for years i think i spoke to them maybe once or twice in a given year. when my wife became pregnant and i told my mom, she wanted to do some magic 180 and pretend like they could just be cool fun grandparents that would be involved in my daughter's life, and it was cathartic getting to tell her why that was never going to happen and they could gently caress right off.

Jenny Agutter posted:

uh it's been a while since I attended but UU as an organization doesn't identify as christian or any other larger religious tradition

Grape posted:

Yep, UU's aren't Christians.

Shaffness posted:

I was raised AoG(the worst kind of Evangelical), I tried attending a UU church before I got married it was chock full of atheists like me and I liked it. But I was working retail so it was hard to schedule around that and I just kind of drifted away. My wife is super creeped out as bored by religious ritual/ceremony so I've never really tried to start up again. I do like to "get into religious mode" like how I played along when I was a kid sometimes just to gently caress with her though. She really really hates it.

Jenny Agutter posted:

uh it's been a while since I attended but UU as an organization doesn't identify as christian or any other larger religious tradition

Epic High Five posted:

you can tell that the minimum wage hike experiments were successful because chud think tanks and poo poo libs are still refusing to leave the realm of abstracts, because after all, more people having more money to spend increasing the velocity of money being a unambiguous good for the economy is Marxism

Biplane posted:

you seem pretty dumb.

Freaking Crumbum posted:

yeah, that's been the case since i was in my early 20s and my youngest brother came out and my parents (predictably) treated him like poo poo. i had moved out when i was 18 and had been living on my own for several years, so when he came out and told me what they said / did to him, i had him move in with me and told my parents how badly they had hosed up, treating their own son like this. i mean, they weren't cool with me either, but since i'm cis-het i didn't have to deal with the kind of mind games they apparently started dropping on him.

for years i think i spoke to them maybe once or twice in a given year. when my wife became pregnant and i told my mom, she wanted to do some magic 180 and pretend like they could just be cool fun grandparents that would be involved in my daughter's life, and it was cathartic getting to tell her why that was never going to happen and they could gently caress right off.

ElGroucho posted:

forgive my ignorance, but what the gently caress is a uu