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Rust Martialis posted:Badværelset Jose posted:Wasn't basically everyone calling for immediate enactment of article 50 not just Corbyn?
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I mean it’s like saying that the murder of Franz Ferdinand is what caused WW1 except even dumber
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Sep 8, 2019 08:56
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Pesky Splinter posted:It's missing that very, very, big step of David Cameron, high off the scent of his own farts from the result of the Scottish referendum, started the Brexit ball rolling, entirely independent of Corbyn's ascent to the Labour leadership, in an attempt to resolve a longstanding Tory party issue. This is a very fun thing to think about, given the scottish indyref a) ended up much closer than the polling indicated at the start and b) absolutely did not kill the support for independence and its presence as an issue in Scottish politics, and mainly strengthened it There could be a number of reasons for this, e.g. the inherent appeal of change vs. the boring politicians you love to hate telling you everything is fine, actually, or the abysmal quality of the No campaign due to nobody believing they actually had to take it seriously until the last minute, etc etc, but I'm really not sure anyone learned from any of them come the brexit vote
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Sep 8, 2019 08:58
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October 14th: Downing 10 police reports no disturbances October 15th: Downing 10 Police reports no disturbances, Glory to the Proletariat
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Sep 8, 2019 09:00
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Jealous Cow posted:Again, dumb American here, but this is some galaxy brain poo poo right? Alright since you keep coming back I'm gonna bite: what's with your avatar and title? Are you a landlord? Because I notice we keep politely helping you but if it turns out you're a landlord we might call for your beheading instead.
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Sep 8, 2019 09:05
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Pochoclo posted:I mean it’s like saying that the murder of Franz Ferdinand is what caused WW1 except even dumber
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Sep 8, 2019 09:05
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Oh dear me posted:Corbyn said something like 'article 50 will have to be invoked now'. It's FBPE spin to insist he meant 'immediately' rather than 'now that this has happened', so nsturally ronya repeats it every time Corbyn's position on Brexit is mentioned. it is Corbyn's own defence that he misspoke and should have phrased it better. This puts his face on BBC News the same evening in the wall-to-wall post-referendum coverage with Corbyn Demands A50 Immediately instead of issuing a correction immediately, of course he instead tells Dimbleby this a month later. His office never issues a press statement. Do you really buy that? don't get me wrong here, it wasn't self-evidently questionable to triangulate in 2016. Forecasts back then were that Cameron's successor would not invoke it for a long time, that Leadsom was an idiot extremist for wanting to do so and hence why May needed to be coronated, and frankly it's the opposition leader's job to needle the sitting govt anyway and so some license to move with the tide must be allowed for. It was a gamble that might have paid off if CON had to live with having Farage gnaw on their flanks whilst LAB gets to play to both sides of the gallery but, as we know, the City wing of the Tories turned out not to be in charge after all...
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Sep 8, 2019 09:14
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:October 14th: Which reminds me, anyone looking for a Papers Please-type game that isn't just a direct ripoff of Papers Please (looking at you, Not Tonight) with an interesting commentary on the press, check out The Westport Independent - it's a bit short but for four quid who's complaining? The setup is you're the editor of a newspaper who has to rewrite stories to boost support for either the government or the rebels, with the threat of arrest if you're too pro-rebel, and also keep the circulation of your paper up depending on the sentiment of the readers (which you can of course influence). Hilariously a lot of the negative Steam reviews seem to think that the fact it's easy to beat by going full pro-Government is somehow a mistake rather than the entire loving point.
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Sep 8, 2019 09:18
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So what happens to the torys that have been kicked out of tjr party? Is there a good article or wiki to understand this part of the process?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Wilhelm Stift caused WW1 by investing in the company that build the car Franz Ferdinand rode in on his final day. I like to think the Butterfly Effect requires a butterfly to be part of the explanation (like in that pratchett puzzle game discussed not long ago). For any given event (after butterflies evolved) there must be a butterfly at some point in history which, if the butterfly did something differently, would have altered the event beyond recognition. Obviously many such butterflies exist for any event but there must be a last one, a final butterfly who possessed the last chance to alter that event (the event's butterfly), and a window of time between that chance and the event occurring (the event's butterfly window). So in the case of WW1's butterfly we'd have to find the butterfly nearest to the Latin Bridge at the time of Franz Ferdinand's assassination, which decided not to fly at full speed to get into Gavrilo's eye distracting him at the last second to cause him to miss.
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Sep 8, 2019 09:34
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:So what happens to the torys that have been kicked out of tjr party? Is there a good article or wiki to understand this part of the process? They stay on as independent MPs (or join another party) until the next election where they can choose to stand for election again, but not as a tory. As some of them are in safe tory seats where the voters will always vote for the candidate in blue they may look to stand in a different constituency.
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Sep 8, 2019 09:36
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ronya posted:His office never issues a press statement. Do you really buy that? Yes, Labour has been carefully ambiguous in an effort not to alienate its Leave voters the whole time. And this is completely different from your constant insistence that Corbyn unambiguously demanded that Article 50 should be immediately invoked.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I like to think the Butterfly Effect requires a butterfly to be part of the explanation (like in that pratchett puzzle game discussed not long ago). Look, all the butterflies had already worked their rear end off to foil all the other assassination attempts that day. You can only ask so much of them!
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Sep 8, 2019 09:44
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I like to think the Butterfly Effect requires a butterfly to be part of the explanation (like in that pratchett puzzle game discussed not long ago).
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Sep 8, 2019 09:45
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:So what happens to the torys that have been kicked out of tjr party? Is there a good article or wiki to understand this part of the process? I assume no media outlet has yet identified and translated the right chapter of the Necronomicon which deals with the finer points of Tory membership rules. However they're all out until allowed back in, which isn't likely under the current double act in charge. Personally i think that in a post-Boris party we'll see a prospective leader seeking to return people like Clarke, Soames, etc as peers so they can be seen as a compromise candidate. Of course it's open for debate if that happens with the current Conservative party, the Provisional Conservative party, or possible Dissident Conservative party
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Sep 8, 2019 09:47
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Oh dear me posted:Yes, Labour has been carefully ambiguous in an effort not to alienate its Leave voters the whole time. And this is completely different from your constant insistence that Corbyn unambiguously demanded that Article 50 should be immediately invoked. the Six Tests period of Corbyn-endorsed ambiguity only began the next year - at the time Benn was still Shadow Foreign Sec and openly briefing against the leader. Ambiguity took the form of letting Benn remain Shadow Foreign Sec I don't think Corbyn would have issued any correction if not for the failed "chicken coup"
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Sep 8, 2019 10:04
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Apraxin posted:
That's it! To stop brexit we must make a time machine, and go back and kill Corbyn! It's the only way.
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Sep 8, 2019 10:15
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By everyone I mean like didn't umunna and all the rest call for it to be invoked?
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Sep 8, 2019 10:18
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Sep 8, 2019 10:27
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Jose posted:By everyone I mean like didn't umunna and all the rest call for it to be invoked? backpedaling faster than Corbyn did on “invoke now” :P back in 2016 Umunna was anti second referendum & said leaving the single market was a price worth paying to end freedom of movement (how times change lol), but don’t recall he ever called for a quicker / immediate invocation.
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Sep 8, 2019 10:38
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Sep 8, 2019 10:40
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Sep 8, 2019 10:42
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ronya posted:I don't think Corbyn would have issued any correction if not for the failed "chicken coup" I don't think Corbyn should have issued a correction, since as we see it did not stop people like you insisting an ambiguous statement was not ambiguous at all.
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Sep 8, 2019 10:43
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Cerv posted:backpedaling faster than Corbyn did on “invoke now” :P I may be misremembering it with stuff like this https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-donald-trump-labour-mps-yvette-cooper-article-50-a7537171.html
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Sep 8, 2019 10:43
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Oh dear me posted:I don't think Corbyn should have issued a correction, since as we see it did not stop people like you insisting an ambiguous statement was not ambiguous at all. it was exactly 7/10s on the guosity scale
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Sep 8, 2019 10:46
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for how much liberals love her its truly impressive how bad yvette coopers instincts are
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Sep 8, 2019 10:48
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lol at everything about this https://twitter.com/ianbirrell/status/1170591787297255424
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Sep 8, 2019 10:51
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thespaceinvader posted:This doesn't seem to appear in her feed? photoshopper's hosed up the 9 in 2019 I can tell by some of the pixels
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Sep 8, 2019 10:51
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Cerv posted:photoshopper's hosed up the 9 in 2019 I'm both pleased that I thoguht to check before commenting, and horrified that I thought for a moment it could be entirely real in this political climate.
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Sep 8, 2019 10:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBmuIHfFWdM Because I love wading into poo poo arguments, here's the Corbyn interview from the morning after the vote. Going by inflection he absolutely does mean "now" in the ASAP sense, but specifically so negotiations could begin. Plus it was at half 7 in the morning, so he spoke bloody well considering.
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Sep 8, 2019 10:59
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Sep 8, 2019 11:01
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Welp https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1170617619793219585?s=19
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Sep 8, 2019 11:02
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Guess we're gona die after all
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Sep 8, 2019 11:04
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HJB posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBmuIHfFWdM I always figured he meant Cameron said he would do it so he should.
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Sep 8, 2019 11:05
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I'm enjoying the degree to which Cummings is finding that he is no more immune to leaks than any previous advisors he is a fierce critic of the Westminster mode of thought without considering any reasons why it might exist - his working theory is always "everyone else is stupid, cowardly, greedy, or all three"
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Sep 8, 2019 11:06
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Uber liberal macron has no desire to see a corbyn led government renegotiate brexit, he prefers the idea of a hard brexit
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Sep 8, 2019 11:06
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Hope France is ready for an influx of british refugees
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Sep 8, 2019 11:11
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ronya posted:I'm enjoying the degree to which Cummings is finding that he is no more immune to leaks than any previous advisors Well considering who he spends all his time with I'm not surprised he's gotten that impression. Lmao, I click this to see if there's any more details and instead there's a 2 minute porno video as the 8th comment. Sounds about right really.
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