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Next I'm looking at zzy and Nad based on the existing cases. re:zzy I agree with Amni and merk here. zzy's case on Liger reminds me of the kind of cases I have posted as scum only to be like "oh poo poo, I was reading that situation wrong..." zzy drops a lot of content around the vig and overall I think the tone of it is a shift from what I view as ~typical zzy~ That is to say, I think it sounds more suspicious than average because zzy himself doesn't sound sold on the whole thing. zzyzx posted:I still think it's a decent vote, as day one votes go. I would vote zzy. re: Lord Nad His reasoning I find much more believable. I can imagine town-Nad believing his case. I'm not suspicious of Nad. Neutral read.
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Deadbeat Dad posted:What did I back off of lol  Who do you think is scum now?
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i was under the impression the game was starting last night and so i played animal crossing all weekend and there's 340 posts to read i skimmed it, will post some quick thoughts
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May 4, 2020 18:29
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Nobody told me what to make for dinner and I went to bed hungry  All of you are thr scum.
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May 4, 2020 18:32
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Varinn posted:Everyone. Its been a long time since I've played. I welcome you all, old friends and new friends, with open arms. Hello. How are you? I'm good. probably an 8! i'm a data analyst for a living, i'm good at mysteries! i am bad at mafia though, so probably 4/10 jivjov posted:You're being very hostile on day one this reads like a player's first scumpost. gut bad feeling here
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May 4, 2020 18:35
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I have no idea why y'all are giving Liger a town pass, he is worthless and doing his best attempt to keep us in joke vote phase
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May 4, 2020 18:36
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Varinn posted:Immediately busting your poo poo out and then backpedaling into "haha it was a joke, i'm like a ghost or a dog and just sort of do things randomly. im harmless!" is definitely a good way to play the game. dislike. this is a post describing how amni is bad at mafia, not a post describing why amni is scum. scum vibes on varinn OFFICER LIGER posted:Lot of over analysis going on here, even if it is a townread. Hard disagree, I had the exact same feeling zzyzx did to the vig and it certainly wouldn't be the first time someone overeagerly shot someone d1 for fun. sandwolf also said basically the same thing zzyzx did with less words in this post so i'm not sure why one is suspicious but not the other??
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May 4, 2020 18:36
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LordNad posted:A scum day kill is an incredibly powerful tool. As mentioned before it could be used in LYLO to end the game earlier for them. By using it this early, he's brought massive attention on himself day 1 for no real benefit. I can't imagine scum letting a confirmed vig coast to the end game. He still has to vote and participate or he'd get lunched himself. agreed. i think it's also really silly to try to game the mod here trying to guess details of a setup when we have a single VT flip Voodoofly posted:##unvote 100% agreed. had i been around i definitely would have voted liger, so pretend i did that here
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May 4, 2020 18:37
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Votecount for Day 1  OFFICER LIGER (4): zzyzx, Voodoofly, Khris Kruel, OFFICER LIGER, LordNad, jivjov, zzyzx (2): The Ninth Layer, LordNad (2): jivjov, The Ninth Layer, Tom Tucker, Amnistar (1): yuming, Varinn, OFFICER LIGER, Varinn (1): Jose Valasquez hambeet (1): yuming Khris Kruel (0): merk, CapnAndy (0): LordNad, merk (0): Jose Valasquez, The Ninth Layer (0): zzyzx, Sandwolf (0): Amnistar, jivjov (0): LordNad, Deadbeat Dad (0): vivat virtute, Not Voting (12): 50 pounds of bread, CapnAndy, CCKeane, Deadbeat Dad, hambeet, Jamuraan, kumba, OFFICER LIGER, Sandwolf, Token Female, vivat virtute, VoodooflyWith 23 alive, it's 12 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 05th, 2020 at 8 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 6 hours.
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May 4, 2020 18:37
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OFFICER LIGER posted:this is very very very important and will help me determine who is the scum patty melt & tots. blue cheese is loving awful
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May 4, 2020 18:37
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I haven't seen any defense of Liger other than "ah my gut feels". Liger hasn't given any content to the thread and is basically a lurker. He put a scummy 3rd vote on Amni when there were two serious votes, and he then spent time defending himself. He's given no reads and his lynch would satisfy Tom Tucker's lynching a lurker
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May 4, 2020 18:38
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Khris Kruel posted:Liger hasn't given any content to the thread and is basically a lurker. He put a scummy 3rd vote on Amni when there were two serious votes, and he then spent time defending himself.[/unquote] Agree here though, although I think at least trying defend himself would put him above some other lurkers at this point.
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May 4, 2020 18:46
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so far, in summary: leaning scum on varinn & liger leaning town on zzyzx & lordnad when i was reading through i thought one of yuming's posts pinged my gut but i just read through all her posts again and i don't see it. perhaps in context i'll find it again but don't have time for that at the moment ##vote officer liger realvote
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May 4, 2020 18:47
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kumba posted:so far, in summary: i should clarify that my read on varinn is based on one post, and my read on liger is based on more, so i feel stronger about that hence the vote that way
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May 4, 2020 18:48
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50 pounds of bread posted:Oof. Thats a toughie. ##vote 50 Please come play
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May 4, 2020 18:51
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Varinn posted:Immediately busting your poo poo out and then backpedaling into "haha it was a joke, i'm like a ghost or a dog and just sort of do things randomly. im harmless!" is definitely a good way to play the game. Likewise, any further thoughts on this game?
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May 4, 2020 18:52
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Khris Kruel posted:I haven't seen any defense of Liger other than "ah my gut feels". I don’t really disagree, nor can I totally argue you’re off base, but the community has changed a bit. There have been games where if you lunched everyone who wasn’t actively helping the town, you’d lunch mostly town. So useless isn’t really enough, it needs to be useless and scummy, and I agree Liger is pretty non-useful right now, but beyond that, I’m not sure there’s a case.
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May 4, 2020 18:52
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Oh also TNL is probably town (Whatsup dude welcome back to the same wavelength)
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May 4, 2020 18:53
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Sandwolf posted:I don’t really disagree, nor can I totally argue you’re off base, but the community has changed a bit. There have been games where if you lunched everyone who wasn’t actively helping the town, you’d lunch mostly town. I leave the game and you all stopped lynching unhelpful lurkers??? All my effort was for nothing!!! Seriously, though, I'm super happy to lynch anyone who isn't active on Day 1. To the point where I can't really justify voting anyone right now who is at least somewhat posting when other's haven't done so yet.
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May 4, 2020 18:56
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Khris Kruel posted:I have no idea why y'all are giving Liger a town pass, he is worthless and doing his best attempt to keep us in joke vote phase it's always jokephase. life without humor is one that is bland and without flavor. kumbaya is town but the blue cheese line has me worried. Khris Kruel posted:I haven't seen any defense of Liger other than "ah my gut feels".
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May 4, 2020 18:57
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Voodoofly posted:I leave the game and you all stopped lynching unhelpful lurkers??? All my effort was for nothing!!! To your first point: yeah, p much, cuz the unhelpful lurkers started outnumbering the people actually tryna play. I am also happy to lunch just about any lurker, you just have to be careful about what satisfies that criteria going forward.
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May 4, 2020 18:58
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Gosh, Tom. You sure said a lot in this post. OR DID YOU.Tom Tucker posted:Here's who I was thinking - Voodoo go read it back in context. quote:
quote:If you believe this what is Liger's best-case scenario, that he sticks his neck out as the third vote which causes a tidal wave of momentum, but has his cake and eats it too by making it a joke vote? What does he do when the tidal wave comes in, unvote his joke vote? quote:Leave it on and look scummy as hell? There's no "good" scenario here there's no reason for him to be pushing a 2-vote candidate with a joke vote expecting results and assigning that motivation to him seems absurd. Early in day 1 joke-voting someone who has two votes, who cares? quote:It's the momentum onto HIM that stands out to me. LordNad had already raised my hackles with this post: quote:His actual vote looks to split the difference - stating facts, then stating his "opinion" quote:that this is an attempt to build momentum, which I believe is a flawed conclusion. LordNad gets pushed back and I feel like backed into it he feels the need to double down. quote:Continued engagement but the "explanation afterwards doesn't feel right" - what about it doesn't feel right? LordNad seems to hold the views that it was a joke vote and was some sort of scheme to build momentum simultaneously. I think these two ideas are, in most cases I can think of, exclusionary. quote:This is what really annoys me though. Again LordNad is simply stating facts, but framing it as if it is an "admission". This framing is very suspicious to me - Liger has already said it was a joke vote, we know the other two votes are serious ones, Liger has stated he feels Amni was town, none of these facts are in contention. Yet here we have LordNad presenting them as if it is some sort of "admission". It feeds into LordNad's "bring up facts to continue conversations but add little" and what I feel is a hard-to-draw conclusion based on those facts which he does and then presents as a done deal or some "admission" of Liger's. quote:LordNad asks "why not just vote" which is a question I still don't understand. Why do anything when you're joking around? If your point is that he's scummy for still joke-voting when people are getting serious that's fine, but it's not LordNad's point, he's saying that Liger planted this idea then waited 12 minutes to do the actual vote because he wanted a third vote for more momentum and was taking advantage of the opportunity which is, to me, absurd. The Machiavellian picture that unfolds of scum, seeing 1 vote on Amni, and tenting their fingers and saying "ah yes! I will vote for Amni as a JOKE VOTE to push the lunch! But I can't just do it... I must set up my joke vote, which is actually a real vote to push the lunch, but making a FIRST post wherein I say I might vote him, then when the second vote happens, I sweep in with my third vote, and the lunch will be on autopilot from there! Now to play the waiting game..." it's nonsense. LordNad is pushing it hard and vaccilating between stating facts "you voted for someone you thought was town" which are not in disagreement with absurd doubling-down that this is somehow scummy (it ain't). quote:The real voter of opportunity today is not Liger it is LordNad. ##vote TT
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May 4, 2020 18:59
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OFFICER LIGER posted:I have reads, I am just not throwing them out because its day one and it's hard to have confidence in those reads in a large game like this who do you want to lunch then? serious question
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May 4, 2020 18:59
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Andy if it's a joke vote why wouldnt I unvote? Especially given that I've townread Amni and learned as such
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May 4, 2020 19:00
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Sandwolf posted:Oh also TNL is probably town I'm getting a new hard drive this friday so I'll finally have room to install COD without having to uninstall everything else on my PC.
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May 4, 2020 19:02
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OFFICER LIGER posted:Andy if it's a joke vote why wouldnt I unvote? Especially given that I've townread Amni and learned as such
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May 4, 2020 19:04
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Sandwolf posted:who do you want to lunch then? serious question I'm still reading and combing over posts (hard to do on a phone) but my gut is telling me something doesn't sit right with Yuming. I'm also going over voodoo and varinn.
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May 4, 2020 19:04
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OFFICER LIGER posted:kumbaya is town but the blue cheese line has me worried. huh, town read on me out of nowhere, hedged "BUT..." yeah i'm good with my vote OFFICER LIGER posted:I have reads, I am just not throwing them out because its day one and it's hard to have confidence in those reads in a large game like this. putting my mafia dad hat on here: regardless of your alignment 
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May 4, 2020 19:07
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By now merk has normally started yelling and screaming until he gets his way, but so far it's just a couple of crappy drive-by votes where merk says "fake" and runs off.merk posted:I won a Voodoofly Wifoa big game after Dhaes, my scum buddy, shot a person on day 1. I bussed him immediately and rode that to a win. A scum dayvig blowing someone away day 1 is definitely legitimate. That said, a scum dayvig shooting Steak, a usual town negative, is not that realistic. merk posted:I'm down with this. The Amnistar vig is probably the best thing to find fake content so far today, and this zzyzx thing is probably the best fake content to find. Interesting note about the first one: the game merk refers to is WIFOA IV, which doesn't show up in the votefinder tally because it's too old. Like merk says, it's an example (albeit an old one) of a scum using a day-vig early on. Two problems with this: 1) WIFOA is a fundamentally different setup in which players choose their roles at the outset, which gives the scum an opportunity at a day-vig. The argument here is that it's unlikely that a mod assigns a scum player a day-vig because it creates balance issues - saying "it happened in a WIFOA game" isn't a response to that. 2) merk goes on to argue that Amni is likely town because he shot Steak, a "usual town negative", and scum probably wouldn't do that. In the same game he quoted that's exactly what his teammate did - Dhaes shot winvirus, who (if I recall right) might charitably be described as a usual town negative. I think merk, as town, is detail-oriented enough to consider both of these things before posting (or, if he's too busy, to wait until he has time before doing it). Would vote.
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May 4, 2020 19:08
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Voodoofly posted:Same thing as my vote on TNL. So far you have an opposite vibe finding someone as town, but that's it? Anything else? Nah, that's pretty much it at this point, everything surrounding the LIGER debacle reads to me like a bunch of townies arguing about a bad D1 case, but D1 cases are all bad so it is par for the course. I haven't seen anything I think is particularly scummy at this point, just usual D1 stuff. Varinn's "but this happened once in a WIFOM game" thing is probably the closest, but it's probably just Varinn being a dummy rather than being scum
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May 4, 2020 19:09
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May 4, 2020 19:10
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CapnAndy posted:No, I think the real voter of opportunity today is the guy who saw someone trying to build a silly case, recognized that he was going to draw blowback for it, and decided to see if he could get a bandwagon rolling in that direction instead. I don't understand this line of thinking at all. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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kumba posted:huh, town read on me out of nowhere, hedged "BUT..." Yeah I'm really scumreading you because you said blue cheese was bad, im a puppet master leaving a hedged but so I can come back say there and say I knew you were scum all along. Ya solved it. zzyzx posted:By now merk has normally started yelling and screaming until he gets his way, but so far it's just a couple of crappy drive-by votes where merk says "fake" and runs off. merk said earlier he wasnt going to be available for a couple of days which is why he hasnt been posting.
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May 4, 2020 19:12
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The Ninth Layer posted:I don't understand this line of thinking at all. It doesn't make any sense to me. 
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May 4, 2020 19:13
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Voodoofly posted:I leave the game and you all stopped lynching unhelpful lurkers??? All my effort was for nothing!!! I'm on board with removing non players from game! I think its a D2 thing though, not a D1 thing. Some players don't get engaged until they have something to actually work with, so don't go for the lurkers today, go for them tommorrow!
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May 4, 2020 19:13
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OFFICER LIGER posted:Yeah I'm really scumreading you because you said blue cheese was bad, im a puppet master leaving a hedged but so I can come back say there and say I knew you were scum all along. Ya solved it. call it more of a subconscious thing, where scum often feel they have to give themselves an "out" when knowingly voting for a townie it's obviously in jest; jest or not, the fact you wrote it there is enough imo
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May 4, 2020 19:14
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CapnAndy posted:Do you not understand and want me to clarify, or just disagree? It's okay to disagree! Both? It seems like you're accusing Tom Tucker of preemptively making the initial case on someone who he knew people were bound to find scummy. But you could make this accusation about any case. I'm not sure there is evidence that a bunch of people were gearing up to vote LordNad before Tom voted him, unless you count my one word gut vote on LordNad.
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May 4, 2020 19:14
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kumba posted:call it more of a subconscious thing, where scum often feel they have to give themselves an "out" when knowingly voting for a townie the blue cheese out
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Jose Valasquez posted:Varinn's "but this happened once in a WIFOM game" thing is probably the closest, but it's probably just Varinn being a dummy rather than being scum zzyzx posted:Interesting note about the first one: the game merk refers to is WIFOA IV, which doesn't show up in the votefinder tally because it's too old. Like merk says, it's an example (albeit an old one) of a scum using a day-vig early on. Two problems with this: Oh, I guess it was merk who brought up the WIFOM game, but Varinn was also into the SK w/ a daykill thing Varinn posted:idk why everyone's discounting SK w/ a daykill, which is eminently possible. but someone did make this case before you
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Amnistar posted:I'm on board with removing non players from game! I think its a D2 thing though, not a D1 thing. Some players don't get engaged until they have something to actually work with, so don't go for the lurkers today, go for them tommorrow! especially when the game started 2 days before it was supposed to yeah i'm not feeling that a lurker lunch today is the strongest option i'll very obviously lunch a lurker if there's no other consensus
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