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Owlbear Camus posted:A comedy of errors where Barclay is tipped off by an upperclassman that he might get thrown a surprise exam Kobayashi Maru and if something super intense and scary happens, just assume it's a simulation. A bunch of actual crises occur on campus, and he greets and conquers each one with the decisive poise and assuredness of a holodeck power fantasy.  this makes me want to go down to engineering and be like you can do it man, it is within u, you must just grasp it and go e: then i would call him broccoli an shove him in a conduit
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Owlbear Camus posted:A comedy of errors where Barclay is tipped off by an upperclassman that he might get thrown a surprise exam Kobayashi Maru and if something super intense and scary happens, just assume it's a simulation. A bunch of actual crises occur on campus, and he greets and conquers each one with the decisive poise and assuredness of a holodeck power fantasy. It can only be this.
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Angry Salami posted:I really want to see the Bynars show up again someday. They look cool, they're a neat concept, and it'd be nice to contrast the Borg with a friendly cybernetic hive society. I believe they literally don't get mentioned again in a Trek series until Enterprise, and even then only in a throwaway statement from Phlox in that one Borg episode.
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Sep 1, 2020 21:58
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https://twitter.com/gamespite/status/1300952034854817792?s=19
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Sep 2, 2020 01:59
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Binary Badger posted:I believe they literally don't get mentioned again in a Trek series until Enterprise, and even then only in a throwaway statement from Phlox in that one Borg episode. In their episode they only plan for Riker to be there to reboot their planet...Picard was just there because he tried to hone in on Riker's holo-date. But then when they get there to be rebooted...it requires 2 people to do it. Maybe the Bynars are not that smart and all died off after the Enterprise went back to starbase whatever after the reboot.
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Sep 2, 2020 02:02
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V-Men posted:I'm still trying to figure out how Barclay passed the Starfleet Academy entrance exam psych eval. The Academy proctors made Wesley think he left someone to die, just for chance to enter Starfleet Academy. I imagine Barclay's test was basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oNJiFYEm7M
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Sep 2, 2020 05:09
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Athanatos posted:In their episode they only plan for Riker to be there to reboot their planet...Picard was just there because he tried to hone in on Riker's holo-date. When Bynaus was taken over by a botnet, the rest of the Federation just added them to their spam filter and moved on.
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Sep 2, 2020 06:20
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Psh, Barclay always handles the things that really matter. It's the little things, when he's given time to think and self-doubt that he falls apart.
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Sep 2, 2020 06:57
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Owlbear Camus posted:A comedy of errors where Barclay is tipped off by an upperclassman that he might get thrown a surprise exam Kobayashi Maru and if something super intense and scary happens, just assume it's a simulation. A bunch of actual crises occur on campus, and he greets and conquers each one with the decisive poise and assuredness of a holodeck power fantasy. This is great. Cap it off with him thinking he's done with the test only for someone to come in and ask him if he's ready to begin the test and he realizes everything else has been real.
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Sep 2, 2020 20:56
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I get that they're trying to make it so that Starfleet officers are the cream of the cream of the crop, but that whole "psych eval" thing is just preposterous and insane. Also think the same thing as Troi having to order holo-Geordi to his "death" in a simulation. You KNOW it is a simulation, so where's the stress and strain? It is basically a game at that point.
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Sep 2, 2020 21:14
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V-Men posted:I'm still trying to figure out how Barclay passed the Starfleet Academy entrance exam psych eval. The Academy proctors made Wesley think he left someone to die, just for chance to enter Starfleet Academy. Does everybody have to go through the gaslighting gauntlet to get into Starfleet? With only one new recruit every testing session? Like I guess it's a lot more interesting and whimsical than SATs, but it just seems improbable.
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Sep 2, 2020 21:47
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SlothfulCobra posted:Does everybody have to go through the gaslighting gauntlet to get into Starfleet? With only one new recruit every testing session? During peacetime, out on the edge of federation space, I'd buy that they were only allotted a small number of applicants per area to meet staffing requirements. By the end of the Dominion war when they had a bunch of Akira's covered in still-wet paint and a bunch of Miranda crews to replace, they probably took anyone that could tie their own shoes.
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Sep 2, 2020 22:26
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So, I've been re-watching Voyager and I finally reached threshold, and I kind of get the feeling that someone watched David Cronenberg's The Fly, and tried to write it as a Star Trek episode.
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Sep 2, 2020 22:47
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Cat Hatter posted:
That's basically the early plot of STO: Starfleet is pumping out so many ships for the Klingon war that somebody whose command experience is 'didn't get people killed' gets an 80-year old Miranda and told 'do these baby missions so the real captains can be on the frontlines.'
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Sep 2, 2020 22:48
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I wonder if the writer intended them to look like giant salamanders or if the production team just made a Really Big Choice. I could see the writer having been vague enough in what the evolution looked like that it gave the effects team enough rope to hang themselves with.
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Sep 2, 2020 22:53
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feedmyleg posted:I wonder if the writer intended them to look like giant salamanders or if the production team just made a Really Big Choice. I could see the writer having been vague enough in what the evolution looked like that it gave the effects team enough rope to hang themselves with. The writer was Brannon Braga, one of the two show runners. While I wouldn't put it past Berman to pull a major dick move on Braga I'm pretty sure Braga is on record with the Salamander thing being 100% his own idea.
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Sep 2, 2020 23:01
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I know Threshold did win some makeup awards
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Sep 2, 2020 23:03
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Threshold's "story by" is the current chairman of MGM, and was the president of New Line Cinema during the time.
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Sep 2, 2020 23:12
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I think the idea with the salamanders was that in the future there could be evolutionary pressures that would push humans to develop into new species that would readopt more primitive traits in order to survive. Stephen Baxter actually took this idea out for a spin in his novel Evolution. A bunch of future humans manage to ride out the extinction of the species in cryosleep, only to be reawakened millennia later when nature has reclaimed the planet. While there are enough people to keep a breeding population going, the planet has changed so much that civilization isn't able to really gain another foothold, and over a few million years the descendants of the decanted humans become just another species of primate. Of course, Baxter knows a thing or two about science, so he was able to set up a situation where the reader could see how environmental pressures could make humans into animals again. Braga, meanwhile, didn't do the spadework, and as a result we got someone's creepy transformation fic made into an actual episode.
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Sash! posted:Also think the same thing as Troi having to order holo-Geordi to his "death" in a simulation. You KNOW it is a simulation, so where's the stress and strain? It is basically a game at that point. The stress from that isn't from the act itself. It's not like Troi spent the episode agonising over whether or not she could order holo-Geordi to do that, it's that the idea literally didn't occur to her. The impact comes from having a superior officer confirm to you that sometimes you may have to make a supremely lovely decision as well as the fact that at sometime that might be you being given the order for the good of others.
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Sep 3, 2020 09:09
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Senor Tron posted:The stress from that isn't from the act itself. It's not like Troi spent the episode agonising over whether or not she could order holo-Geordi to do that, it's that the idea literally didn't occur to her. Plus, this was after Disaster where Troi demonstrated that she might not be willing to make that call.
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Sep 3, 2020 09:20
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SlothfulCobra posted:Does everybody have to go through the gaslighting gauntlet to get into Starfleet? With only one new recruit every testing session? The Benzite dude went through it and came out of it shaking like he was told he murdered his entire family while blackout drunk. It does seem like an intensely unethical thing to do to young adults who are taking an entrance exam, but that's utopia for you? I wonder if you have to take it again if you reapply to Starfleet Academy later.
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Sep 3, 2020 10:12
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And it sounds like each one is tailored to the individual like a Good Place Bad Place test. A lot of work goes into these, so I assume there’s a whole dept in Starfleet Academy dedicated to psychological torture?
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Sep 3, 2020 10:29
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Having a whole dept dedicated to psychological torture may seem odd at first, but considering the eldritch horrors that starships encounter on a regular basis, it's actually a prudent method to weed out unfit people before they'd end up in that situation.
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Sep 3, 2020 10:38
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Based on what we've seen you could probably just 'computer, create the perfect scenario to torture wesley' and it'll just pop one right out of the holodeck.
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Sep 3, 2020 10:51
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MikeJF posted:Based on what we've seen you could probably just 'computer, create the perfect scenario to torture wesley' and it'll just pop one right out of the holodeck. It just creates a replica of Picard and Dr. Crusher looking at Wesley's holodeck browser history and shaking their heads.
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Sep 3, 2020 11:02
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8one6 posted:It just creates a replica of Picard and Dr. Crusher looking at Wesley's holodeck browser history and shaking their heads. Occasionally calling out specific examples and asking him to explain.
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Sep 3, 2020 11:07
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Having a whole dept dedicated to psychological torture may seem odd at first, but considering the eldritch horrors that starships encounter on a regular basis, it's actually a prudent method to weed out unfit people before they'd end up in that situation. They never trained that child for the pain of losing a teddy bear in a ship wreck
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Sash! posted:Also think the same thing as Troi having to order holo-Geordi to his "death" in a simulation. You KNOW it is a simulation, so where's the stress and strain? It is basically a game at that point. Further to what people have said, it's not the stress of having to order holo-Geordi to his death, it's that she has to acknowledge that she needs to be able to order real Geordi to the same fate if necessary.
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The_Doctor posted:And it sounds like each one is tailored to the individual like a Good Place Bad Place test. A lot of work goes into these, so I assume there’s a whole dept in Starfleet Academy dedicated to psychological torture? And while 24th-century psychology as depicted in the show looks to be much more of an actual science than it is here in real life, it's still far from exact and so they must screw this up sometimes. "Sir, Cadet Koznowski has begun her psych test. We, uh... might have misdiagnosed that fear of dogs we decided she has. The holographic ultrapuppies thundered into the room on schedule, but she immediately made friends with them and has been happily throwing the giant tennis ball to them for the last half-hour."
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Sep 3, 2020 16:25
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These slash fics are just getting lazier and lazier
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Sep 3, 2020 17:40
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Gully Foyle posted:Further to what people have said, it's not the stress of having to order holo-Geordi to his death, it's that she has to acknowledge that she needs to be able to order real Geordi to the same fate if necessary. That's deep into "no poo poo" territory. It's such a non-test that it baffles me that they think it tests anything.
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Sash! posted:That's deep into "no poo poo" territory. It's such a non-test that it baffles me that they think it tests anything. I've always found the Kobayashi Maru weird for that reason. If the purpose is to experience fear, uh, knock them out and let them wake up in the chair thinking it's real or something.
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Sep 3, 2020 19:11
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Statutory Ape posted:They never trained that child for the pain of losing a teddy bear in a ship wreck poo poo now I wanna see a Star Trek series start with that kid walking out of the holodeck, an adult, shaking his head to clear his haunted visions. "Worse every time," he says, voice tremolo, "and I still can't save him."
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Sep 3, 2020 19:23
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Gully Foyle posted:Further to what people have said, it's not the stress of having to order holo-Geordi to his death, it's that she has to acknowledge that she needs to be able to order real Geordi to the same fate if necessary. To say nothing of having to work with the guy after ordering a holo of him to its death. That'd be at least briefly awkward. "So, Counselor I hear you passed your command exam. How'd it go ?"
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Sep 3, 2020 19:44
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You know, the holodeck must suck for a Betazoid. Having that extra sense without any input has to take something the way of simulating things.
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Brawnfire posted:poo poo now I wanna see a Star Trek series start with that kid walking out of the holodeck, an adult, shaking his head to clear his haunted visions. "Worse every time," he says, voice tremolo, "and I still can't save him." Lol I saw that movie when I was 7 and between that and the ship blowing up it was very stressful for me
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Sep 3, 2020 20:37
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bull3964 posted:You know, the holodeck must suck for a Betazoid. Having that extra sense without any input has to take something the way of simulating things. It should be relaxing since it's never useful anyway
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TheScott2K posted:I've always found the Kobayashi Maru weird for that reason. If the purpose is to experience fear, uh, knock them out and let them wake up in the chair thinking it's real or something. I think really the KM has two issues. One is that it was meant to emphasize this sober mortality note in the specific contest of Star Trek 2, where they were gonna be killing off  - and we have, over the last 30-40 years, gotten constant torrents of reminders of mortality and the limits of ambition and so forth and so on, so it's like watching Casablanca or reading Watchmen and not getting the effect so much as, "Oh, so that's what they were referencing."The other was the fandom making it some kind of graduation exam for everyone from Starfleet where it was probably just a capstone exercise for command track personnel. But no, everybody's got their Kobayashi Maru story, and it's always some innovative way to gently caress with the system.
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