Femur posted:

The only time i ever vividly daydream of killing people is in traffic, so cars gonna be be important in this awakening imho.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

I know the future

Trabisnikof posted:

oh certainly, but even those marginal changes matter. like forcing one BLM lease deal to be stopped or shutting down one coal plant due to inspected deficiencies to the mercury emissions controls actually does reduce emissions or whatever in a way that no other individual action can under our current sociopolitical system.

its not going to save the climate, but it certainly has more positive impacts than anything else anyone in this thread can do

Acelerion posted:

The only useful discussion leftists could have would be how to maintain a vanguard through the collapse. But no one knows the form it will take so even that is mostly navel gazing.

Sometimes there really isn't a solution. When you have already gone over the cliff there is no point in talking about how to best flap our arms. Maybe you will survive the fall, but who knows if it will be your back or your legs that break.

splifyphus posted:

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

not to mention that it would be a huge tactical mistake to even allude to the direct actions that are necessary on a public message board.

splifyphus posted:

in this hypothetical, the difference is between whether one dies as a smoker, or whether one dies having beaten the addiction. this is a meaningful difference to the smoker.

BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

I mean look what happened to Sean Smith

Trabisnikof posted:

legit surprised that's not on the market already tbh

BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

I mean look what happened to Sean Smith

Mayor Dave posted:

yeah but i don't think this thread has information that will lead to the arrest of hillary clinton

Rime posted:

Rime posted:

This is where I am at right now. I have a long essay on the topic which I'm still fine tuning, but I'll give the cliffnotes version here:

Just as the government massively subsidizes Agricultural output in marginal terrain because low food prices keeps the population happy, so too will it subsidize and perpetuate the fossil fuel economy until the bitter end. Oil and Gas is quite literally the "divine right to rule" for modern governments, as soon as it goes away and takes cheap consumerism with it, these governments will crumble overnight. They know this. Fracking lost over $500 Billion in fifteen years without ever turning a profit, they kept it flowing through tax incentives to keep the price at the pump low.

As such, attempting to stop a pipeline or protest an O&G field is asinine and ignorant of reality to an offensive degree. At best you will be permitted to wave a sign and the minor financial disruptions from it accepted as the cost of pacifying the discordant left, at worst (in the event you achieve anything of note) you will be thrown in prison (See: Steven Donziger). As things break down further the mask will come off, you will be shot in the head, and you will be written off in the media as a terrorist. By and large the general public, having the mental capacity of a cow and fearing the loss of toys and steak your actions represented in a world where their comforts are already crumbling, will cheer your demise.

I am going back to all of my old oil-focused environmental protest groups, still busy pointlessly rabble-rousing about a pipeline owned by the loving government, and trying to encourage them to immediately drop that poo poo and pivot to an outreach model to build degrowth transition mutual-aid networks. So that whomever is listening, right loving now, has a snowballs chance in hell of not immediately dying when agriculture fails.

If you want to legitimately salve your conscience and pretend you have some moral superiority, which is the only takeaway anyone will get from this rambling shitpost, you do it in a way which actually has a chance to meaningfully help people moving forwards, not with vaguely hinted at performative masturbatory acts which will increasingly risk eating a bullet as systemic breakdown spirals further out of control and the Military-Industrial complex gets nervous.

If all you want to do is come in here and imply that since we're not bombing pipelines we're nihilist failures complicit in the failure of a system which has already failed, you can go gently caress right back to D&D.

BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

I can see that you're NOT USING CAPITAL LETTERS and not the alt jerking yourself off.

I'm trying to process this series of posts and it's not going well, for me. Honestly. Just filing it under, dude's not wrong just an rear end in a top hat.

Rime posted:

If all you want to do is come in here and imply that since we're not bombing pipelines we're nihilist failures complicit in the failure of a system which has already failed, you can go gently caress right back to D&D.

Trabisnikof posted:

better to have one goon deleting Hillary’s emails than 100 footless tiny toes

splifyphus posted:

well thanks for all stumbling over yourselves to prove my point. I'll try to provide an example of actually trying to combat nihilism rather than just mainlining it.

Wakko posted:

humanity stands at the cusp of realizing its grand destiny. tens of thousands of years of consumption have brought us here, and you whine? imagine a tuberculosis bacterium mewling like this as the host's lungs start to fill with fluid. generations have stood on the shoulders of one another, all working together to bring us here. its is only now, at the great dying, that we realize true meaning.

Shima Honnou posted:

imagine not wanting to firsthand witness our demise as a species

RC Cola posted:

I'm so excited for the end times y'all. Can't wait for the sweet embrace of death to take us all

RC Cola posted:

I'm so excited for the end times y'all. Can't wait for the sweet embrace of death to take us all

T-Paine posted:

Yeah, the human race immolating itself is a good thing and saves the rest of the universe, if life exists elsewhere, from our taint

RC Cola posted:

I'm so excited for the end times y'all. Can't wait for the sweet embrace of death to take us all

The Vinja Ninja posted:

I remember telling people that with considerable warming means more energy input into the earth, which means higher wind speeds. Turns out that really happens during winter.

so we are gonna have stagnant heat during summer burning everything, and then 100mph wind storms yearly during winter.

Forever more, forever storm, wind, wind wind.

Rime posted:

Pivot to an outreach model to build degrowth transition mutual-aid networks. So that whomever is listening, right loving now, has a snowballs chance in hell of not immediately dying when agriculture fails.

Rectal Death Adept posted:

ah the "We can never know for certain so I can never be proven wrong" foundational bedrock of delusional denial

if you ever break through that you'll be making progress

Cold on a Cob posted:

a lot of us legitimately believe that direct action is the only thing that will do any good, but we've admitted we are unwilling or unable to take that step or we think it will still be like pissing in the wind until there is a mass awakening event (and when that happens it will happen, regardless of what we post)

so really, seriously - what is your point for posting here, if not to just troll? we're not advocating people kill themselves in despair (quite the opposite) so i legitimately do not understand.

splifyphus posted:

I'll try to make it so simple a toddler could get it.

you, yourself, as an individual meatsack reading this thread, have a choice. you get to die on your knees mewling like a liberal coward, or you get to go out on your feet like a goddamn adult.

that's it. that's the only choice you have. it doesn't matter in the slightest, it will do nothing and accomplish nothing, your existence will have been just as meaningless either way, and multi-cellular life is loving off for the foreseeable future regardless.

It's a completely meaningless, subjective shift of one's attitude and outlook, it costs you nothing to make it, and yet still you're all regurgitating the same nihilist garbage you've been spoonfed your whole lives.

gently caress all of you. just loving die already.

splifyphus posted:

I'll try to make it so simple a toddler could get it.

splifyphus posted:

I'll try to make it so simple a toddler could get it.

you, yourself, as an individual meatsack reading this thread, have a choice. you get to die on your knees mewling like a liberal coward, or you get to go out on your feet like a goddamn adult.

that's it. that's the only choice you have. it doesn't matter in the slightest, it will do nothing and accomplish nothing, your existence will have been just as meaningless either way, and multi-cellular life is loving off for the foreseeable future regardless.

It's a completely meaningless, subjective shift of one's attitude and outlook, it costs you nothing to make it, and yet still you're all regurgitating the same nihilist garbage you've been spoonfed your whole lives.

gently caress all of you. just loving die already.

splifyphus posted:

I'll try to make it so simple a toddler could get it.

you, yourself, as an individual meatsack reading this thread, have a choice. you get to die on your knees mewling like a liberal coward, or you get to go out on your feet like a goddamn adult.

that's it. that's the only choice you have. it doesn't matter in the slightest, it will do nothing and accomplish nothing, your existence will have been just as meaningless either way, and multi-cellular life is loving off for the foreseeable future regardless.

It's a completely meaningless, subjective shift of one's attitude and outlook, it costs you nothing to make it, and yet still you're all regurgitating the same nihilist garbage you've been spoonfed your whole lives.

gently caress all of you. just loving die already.

splifyphus posted:

I'll try to make it so simple a toddler could get it.

you, yourself, as an individual meatsack reading this thread, have a choice. you get to die on your knees mewling like a liberal coward, or you get to go out on your feet like a goddamn adult.

that's it. that's the only choice you have. it doesn't matter in the slightest, it will do nothing and accomplish nothing, your existence will have been just as meaningless either way, and multi-cellular life is loving off for the foreseeable future regardless.

It's a completely meaningless, subjective shift of one's attitude and outlook, it costs you nothing to make it, and yet still you're all regurgitating the same nihilist garbage you've been spoonfed your whole lives.

gently caress all of you. just loving die already.