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FishBulbia posted:I know about Mariupol. Never got the chance to go there tho. Russia may have added another thousand to the total - they just bombed a theater where that many people were sheltering. Switzerland going full not-Switzerland https://twitter.com/ColibasanuAnto/status/1504142245477457921?t=u3napj1YmRUC4KWdJY_5vw&s=19 This econ man (chief economist at IIF) thinks China's getting hit hard by their perceived alignment with Russia https://twitter.com/RobinBrooksIIF/status/1504102841446764548?t=SolcQnbmUOKRcugmYW2pbQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/RobinBrooksIIF/status/1504136652192731139?t=zYY-pQ_w5NnDqdBIGxW82g&s=19
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FishBulbia posted:I am keeping a running tally of baffling takes drat, almost seems like this guy is posting dumb poo poo to bask in the negative attention. But would someone really do that, on the internet?
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Biden sending the store to Ukraine, and likely coordinating with other countries to send more https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1504148036834021381?t=d0_C_Y2Gj6lX8d0hqOt4jA&s=19 Article: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-commit-new-military-aid-ukraine-zelenskyy-plea-us-support-rcna20257 Drones might be the same ones we were discussing yesterday. I hope so at least. gently caress em up.
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Trump posted:Biden is being very general in what exactly they are sending. But if it's 9000 Javelin missiles, whoa nelly https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1504148204761321476
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FishBulbia posted:The question is if it can get there. That strike by Lviv was meant to send a message that western aid is not going to be viewed as benign. If Russia could stop this they would have already. Russia shot over twenty long range missiles at lviv and more than half were shot down. With the old anti-air setup, not the incoming new stuff.
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Still quite shocking that Ukraine is managing attrition warfare so well. 17 Russian choppers off the board in 14 hours! https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1504099997847011331?cxt=HHwWhoCy5dO-0d8pAAAA
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HappyHippo posted:Here's a breakdown 100 armed drones. KitConstantine posted:This econ man (chief economist at IIF) thinks China's getting hit hard by their perceived alignment with Russia Is this due to a perceived alignment with Russia, or due to investors looking at the rest of the world and asking “who else could be sanctioned into dust for launching a war of conquest against a western backed nation?”
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HappyHippo posted:Here's a breakdown  Hell yes. How long would stuff like this take to get to Ukraine if it were coming from the US?
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Owling Howl posted:Russia apparently moving in Armenians, Ossetians and Abkahzians now. In addition to the Wagner nazis, Syrian mercs and Kadyrovites. Nah, that's just something out of the good ol' USSR playbook; send the youth of your client and satellite states at the enemy, while Russians get to stay home. Personally I was more surprised that the initial invasion was done with Russian-only troops.
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Some (all) of it could very well already be pre-positioned in Europe and just need to be released.
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the popes toes posted:Still quite shocking that Ukraine is managing attrition warfare so well. 17 Russian choppers off the board in 14 hours! Holy poo poo Dean Norris is in the Ukrainian military!
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FishBulbia posted:You're still misinterpreting. Any deal at this point would likely require Ukraine acknowledging Crimea as part of Russia. Something the Poroshenko crowd would see as a "stab in the back" even if its essentially a victory considering Putin's original aims. Yeah, absolutely. I was just wondering what the guys who want Crimea back as Ukraine are thinking they would do with it.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:100 armed drones. I would imagine the latter more than the former. China might not be able to thread the needle so well with sanctions if its current level of involvement with the Russian economy starts triggering cutoffs for Chinese business activities with western countries. (The west is more economically important to China for now.) That being said, some long term investors might be more cagey than they used to be about Xi's recent power consolidations. His grip on China is getting pretty Putin-like, but for now, he's been more of a "rational" actor.
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Re: Mariupol' civilian death count, needless to say civilians are dying to bombings every day. It's best to ignore any numbers, 25k is unimaginable. For reference 1939 Stalingrad had a population nearly identical to 2022 Maripol' (~450k) and ~40k civilians died at Stalingrad during the 5 month seige in 1941-1942. Has there been an estimate of how many civilians are currently in Mariupol'?
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Owling Howl posted:Russia apparently moving in Armenians, Ossetians and Abkahzians now. In addition to the Wagner nazis, Syrian mercs and Kadyrovites. Russia is probably out of non conscript forces at this point, yes. They sent everything they had to spare right at the start and a lot of those people are sunflower fertilizer now. A number of analysts are pointing out that Ukrainian soldiers almost certainly outnumber Russian ones right now in terms of boots on the ground in Ukraine.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I would imagine the latter more than the former. China might not be able to thread the needle so well with sanctions if its current level of involvement with the Russian economy starts triggering cutoffs for Chinese business activities with western countries. (The west is more economically important to China for now.) Some may be looking at his consolidation of power as an institutional risk, period. It's definitely clear that it's only Putin's absolutist control of Russian society that lets him push the war even though nearly all stakeholders are seeing negative effects from it.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:
If it's already in Europe, not very long. Just need to get them to Poland and then across the border. If we're flying it in, maybe +2-3 days as we round everything up and fly them to Poland.
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If you're Russia, how do you distinguish between an American drone piloted by a Ukrainian operator, vs. the same drone piloted by an American from a facility in Arizona? Is one US warfare and the other US aid? I don't really know how to answer that
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Can't feed your soldiers? Try sending more. It really does feel like Russia's military command/Putin doesn't understand what's happening and are just pulling levers at the moment.
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Failed Imagineer posted:If you're Russia, how do you distinguish between an American drone piloted by a Ukrainian operator, vs. the same drone piloted by an American from a facility in Arizona? Is one US warfare and the other US aid? I don't really know how to answer that It's not those kind of drones. These are small flying bombs launched from a mortar tube with relatively short reach.
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Failed Imagineer posted:If you're Russia, how do you distinguish between an American drone piloted by a Ukrainian operator, vs. the same drone piloted by an American from a facility in Arizona? Is one US warfare and the other US aid? I don't really know how to answer that If Russia managed to down a drone that was American, in Ukraine, they'd have to get the wreckage and prove it. But even more: If we were subtly doing so, why would we send tagged units. But so far, there's been no proof of American drones conducting combat operations other than observation in Ukraine.
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Failed Imagineer posted:If you're Russia, how do you distinguish between an American drone piloted by a Ukrainian operator, vs. the same drone piloted by an American from a facility in Arizona? Is one US warfare and the other US aid? I don't really know how to answer that If you have radar coverage, you can probably see it take off from Ukraine. If not...not really, but then you also don't know WTF is shooting you unless you can shoot it down and check the wreckage. Edit: the phrasing in the tweet is vague. It could be drones as we know them, or it could be the kamikaze switchblades. Quite possibly the latter since there's so many of them. If they can get them to Kharkiv and Mariupol it could be a huge factor in relieving those cities.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:100 armed drones. I'm going to guess something like 85% to do with Russia but the latter point is suddenly much, much more pertinent than it was a month ago. Free and independent Taiwan forever. Free and independent Ukraine forever.
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Failed Imagineer posted:If you're Russia, how do you distinguish between an American drone piloted by a Ukrainian operator, vs. the same drone piloted by an American from a facility in Arizona? Is one US warfare and the other US aid? I don't really know how to answer that That issue already applies with Bayraktars, supplied by Turkey but flown by Ukrainians. There is no Clancy component to this.
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Lol ganonso posted:So the mighty Republicans fear the renowned martial prowess of Mexico? Did Trump sell all your material or what? Republicans are dumb as gently caress and will take any opportunity, no matter how logically ridiculous, to attack Biden. It's really that simple Vincent Van Goatse posted:How the gently caress would these even work? Assuming this somehow happened ( It's not about combat, it would empower private citizens to seize Russian assets. It's also just a proposed bill from a republican, nothing approved and probably won't be, it's too wild west the government wants control of these things. Interesting idea though I must say Youth Decay posted:At least 10 civilians killed while waiting in line for bread in Chernihiv today. I think whoever said this was small arms fire was right. There doesn't appear to be any evidence of shelling from what I can see. KitConstantine posted:https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1504104821632163842?t=iJ3e3zvFffdTOg9NCcR1MQ&s=19 '60 MNHYT' lmao KitConstantine posted:New Ukrainian-reported POW numbers Considering likely KIA numbers around ten thousand or more, plus all the evidence of abandoned equipment and lost/surrendering troops, that number sounds totally reasonable Even if Kim ain't a good guy that meme looks like racist trash to me Jiro posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...kyiv-visit-live That literally sounds like a mafia protection racket. Doesn't just sound like one in fact, it is one. FishMcCool posted:Obvious caveat that POWs words can't exactly be taken at face value, but: Those guys are never going back to Russia after saying that. Which I'm thinking may be the point, from their perspective A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Is this due to a perceived alignment with Russia, or due to investors looking at the rest of the world and asking “who else could be sanctioned into dust for launching a war of conquest against a western backed nation?” I have been hearing about china's stock market declining sharply every morning for a couple weeks now. I'm not sure how much Ukraine has to do with it, I still think the primary issue is manufacturing getting shut down to control covid outbreaks, and other purely financial-related reasons. But yeah, fear that China will align more closely with Russia and less closely with the rest of the global economic system, or even be the target of sanctions, could be a part of it. It's hard to prove one way or another though.
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HappyHippo posted:Here's a breakdown This is one of the main reasons that Russia will have to capitulate in this sooner rather than later: they've already lost the logistics and economic war Every piece of equipment Russia loses they can't afford to replace and can't afford to rebuild, Ukraine is being absolutely flooded with material and cash. They are probably buying fancier poo poo themselves on top of all the stuff they are getting from NATO and the EU. Numbers and time are simply not on Putin's side.
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Play posted:Even if Kim ain't a good guy that meme looks like racist trash to me Kim also isn't crazy, so it's also very dumb.
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Youth Decay posted:At least 10 civilians killed while waiting in line for bread in Chernihiv today. My teenage cousins were there a little over a week ago. Dad got them to Poland thank goodness.
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The announcement said that the drones were "tactical" drones so it is probably stuff like the Raven, Wasp, or Puma. Think less death bird and more of a durable jamming resistant camera drone that can the thrown into the air by a soldier to get a good view of the surrounding area. There's also the Shadow, but that's a bit more involved to get going.
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the popes toes posted:Still quite shocking that Ukraine is managing attrition warfare so well. 17 Russian choppers off the board in 14 hours! Failed Imagineer posted:If you're Russia, how do you distinguish between an American drone piloted by a Ukrainian operator, vs. the same drone piloted by an American from a facility in Arizona? Is one US warfare and the other US aid? I don't really know how to answer that Not that kind of drones, these are stuff you can fit in your backpack. Flying grenades basically. Play posted:'60 MNHYT' lmao It’s Russian equivalent of “The Tonight Show” with Jimmy Fallon, if I had to explain it.
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Shifty Pony posted:The announcement said that the drones were "tactical" drones so it is probably stuff like the Raven, Wasp, or Puma. Interesting, thanks
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William Bear posted:CNN is doing live updates on the situation of the theater in Mariupol. Yeah, again, reminder: Terror bombings are a Russian Air Force party trick, sadly.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Even Russia claims to have gotten “only” 180 with that strike. I was being clumsy with my words once more - I did not mean thousands of volunteer casualties - I meant there were supposedly thousands of volunteers showing up for foreign legion duty. Regardless of that number being true or not, it makes sense for Russia to deter such volunteers. If they actually do number in the thousands, there is a very real numerical effect on reducing that inflow. If they are fewer, deterrence removes a propaganda point from the other side. The actual volunteer situation is likely a lot more complicated - with a mixture of individuals/small groups just showing up in various places, some signing up for the 'legion', some actually being mercenaries, some being anti-russian militias. I doubt they all register neatly at that one base. I believe the Russian strike was aimed at 'amateur' volunteers rather than mercenaries, militias and specialists. And I doubt there were thousands of such amateur volunteers, even if the total number of non-Ukrainian national combatants fighting for them does reach such figures. Hence the 'supposedly'. It is good propaganda to tell the world that thousands of foreign individuals have signed up to defend Ukraine.
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