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BrotherJayne: Nov 28, 2019

Frosted Flake posted:

Battlefield medicine journals will at some point have to account for HGH enlarging organs. Trying to treat a gut wound with Joe Rogan beachball sized organs would be a pita.

Honestly, might be easier... you'd have more material to work with

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Hubbert posted:

The IDF ration also includes a can of tuna with so much oil that you can replicate the miracle of having an oil lamp lasting without refueling for at least a week.

i must admit that having a food item that can double as a heat source for warming food is an impressive innovation. no fancy chemical heaters needed.

# ? Dec 5, 2023 02:44

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

Frosted Flake posted:

I'm sure you've heard the stories of how steroids destroyed military fitness, because special forces guys were cracking 250lbs and required like 10 000 calories a day, would gas out walking up a gentle hill - while Afghans were malnourished by our standards but hadn't turned themselves into "high performance" machines that needed a steady drip of glutamine or they would shut down. It turns out anavar, creatine and god knows what else can make you huge, but then you have to provide those huge muscles with calories, amino acids, potassium and water.

I was just reading parachute harnesses need to be designed because our gym rat operators now weigh as much in their shorts as they're supposed to in full battle rattle.

every time I read one of these posts I think how a true western communist army could destroy this cursed system once and for all. this is not a burger post because for palestine and the world to live the west must be defeated

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Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

IN FORTY YEARS OLIVE TREES WILL REGROW AND ISRAELI CHILDREN WILL REST IN THEIR SHADE AT GUSH KATIF!!!!

what's a year?

# ? Dec 5, 2023 02:47

fosborb: Dec 15, 2006; Chronic Good Poster

Hubbert posted:

The IDF ration also includes a can of tuna with so much oil that you can replicate the miracle of having an oil lamp lasting without refueling for at least a week.

lmao

# ? Dec 5, 2023 02:49

Radical 90s Wizard: Aug 5, 2008; ~SS-18 burning bright,
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Neurolimal posted:

A lot of modern rations will even include a candy bar, both for the calories & to ensure even the biggest manchildren in the army will open their rations.

It's super common I think mostly because it's good for morale, same as tea bags or hot chocolate or whatever.

There was also always rumours that our rations had ingredients aimed at blocking you up so you wouldn't poo poo as much out in the field or something.

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Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Fiber is a foreign concept to the western soldier. Both moral and dietary.

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BearsBearsBears: Aug 4, 2022

Dreylad posted:

oh god ian no

I remembered the third thing. It was wearing a NAFO patch. So that's three times he was Nazi-adjacent, that's too many times for me.

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

BearsBearsBears posted:

I remembered the third thing. It was wearing a NAFO patch. So that's three times he was Nazi-adjacent, that's too many times for me.

didnt he promote/write a book with an azov guy?

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

i think this was discussed in the ukraine thread but you should assume that all those guys are reactionary especially if they are american

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BONGHITZ: Jan 1, 1970

KomradeX posted:

These guys look like they loving suck

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Best Friends: Nov 4, 2011

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

Fitness youtuber Alan Thrall started at a lean 160lbs, a body well suited for military work, but then bulked into 220+ army beefcake which subsequently got him out of military work because he looked good on TV carrying caskets.

there was a dude in my boot camp platoon who had this perfect huge gym body. he was constantly accruing random injuries from being huge and was miserable and unfocused from starving off muscle mass. he got dropped to medical recovery platoon halfway through after getting a stress fracture in both ankles from jumping off the bed in the morning. meanwhile, weird looking skinny dudes like me are making it though even while getting constantly sick from the gross boot camp environment.

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BearsBearsBears: Aug 4, 2022

AnimeIsTrash posted:

didnt he promote/write a book with an azov guy?

Yes he wrote and promoted a book with a guy from the Azov Battalion, he collaborated with a Pro-Rhodesia youtuber, and he wore a NAFO patch. Those were his three strikes for me.

The funny part is, he got into hot water with his fans for the Azov book . He cancelled the book and issued a public apology. This was in early February 2022, if he had waited less than a month then Azov would have become the heroic Nazis we know today and he would have been applauded for promoting a book about them.

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mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

juiced keto Nazis wheezing after 30 yds up a steep hill sounds about right

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Radical 90s Wizard: Aug 5, 2008; ~SS-18 burning bright,
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Fiber is a foreign concept to the western soldier. Both moral and dietary.

look if I was some kinda smart guy book knower I wouldn't have been there okay

# ? Dec 5, 2023 03:12

Radical 90s Wizard: Aug 5, 2008; ~SS-18 burning bright,
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Best Friends posted:

there was a dude in my boot camp platoon who had this perfect huge gym body. he was constantly accruing random injuries from being huge and was miserable and unfocused from starving off muscle mass. he got dropped to medical recovery platoon halfway through after getting a stress fracture in both ankles from jumping off the bed in the morning. meanwhile, weird looking skinny dudes like me are making it though even while getting constantly sick from the gross boot camp environment.

Seeing these guys absolute shock at jumping in a pool and learning they have negative buoyancy and can't do poo poo like tread water for 2 minutes because they sink straight to the bottom was fun.

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OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

The giant gym dudes in the military seems so odd. Whenever I go hiking the big gym dudes get so tired and have to stop all the time, how tf these people suppose to survive walkin around in the mountains or w.e.

# ? Dec 5, 2023 03:18

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BearsBearsBears posted:

Yes he wrote and promoted a book with a guy from the Azov Battalion, he collaborated with a Pro-Rhodesia youtuber, and he wore a NAFO patch. Those were his three strikes for me.

The funny part is, he got into hot water with his fans for the Azov book . He cancelled the book and issued a public apology. This was in early February 2022, if he had waited less than a month then Azov would have become the heroic Nazis we know today and he would have been applauded for promoting a book about them.

I'll give credit where it's due, his long time friend and collaborator Karl from InrangeTV cut all ties with him for this Nazi poo poo.

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Justin Tyme: Feb 22, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

I was just reading parachute harnesses need to be designed because our gym rat operators now weigh as much in their shorts as they're supposed to in full battle rattle.

Iirc the T-11 was designed to be larger to accommodate the weight of jumping in armor plus a generally heavier modern loadout, not specifically because troops are fat (though this certainly helps). The T-10D was old as poo poo and from a different era, and the military in general becoming more adverse to TBIs from dudes smacking the poo poo out of their heads on landing

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Dixon Chisholm: Jan 2, 2020

paul_soccer12 posted:

everyone in the idf must die

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FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

paul_soccer12 did nothing wrong.

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

mags posted:

juiced keto Nazis wheezing after 30 yds up a steep hill sounds about right

if i only could
i'd make a deal with god

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PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

FlapYoJacks posted:

paul_soccer12 did nothing wrong.

he fedposts so hard, either he�s a FBI agent or he�s overcompensating for his dad being an FBI agent

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Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Hubbert posted:

The IDF ration also includes a can of tuna with so much oil that you can replicate the miracle of having an oil lamp lasting without refueling for at least a week.

menorahs made of tuna...

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bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

PawParole posted:

he fedposts so hard, either he�s a FBI agent or he�s overcompensating for his dad being an FBI agent

could be both

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Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

if paul_soccer was fedposting then where's paul_soccer13?

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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Neurolimal posted:

Not a jarhead, but this is my understanding:

A heavy chunk of warfare, for as long as recorded history, has been about logistics. You want to reduce the number of things that can go wrong, because you need to account for everything every single person in the army needs, and what corners each soldier might end up cutting. If you don't, then your army starts deteriorating and then you need to account for other problems (such as "our rations have resulted in 1/3rd of the force being busy making GBS threads their guts out to do war").

In terms of Rations, this means squaring the circle of providing as much nutrition as humanly possible, in as many calories as humanly possible, in as appetizing a form as humanly possible, which won't ferment into something unappetizing/unhealthy, that will last as long as humanly possible, as cheap as possible, in packaging that is as durable as humanly possible, won't leech anything unhealthy into the food, and is as easy and intuitive to open as humanly possible, while also being as light as humanly possible.

Each aspect you fail to meet means that the soldier won't perform as well; if the ration is disgusting, then they won't eat it, they go hungry or even malnourished, they won't work as hard. If the food isn't healthy enough, they end up with deficiencies that harm how much work they can do. If there aren't enough calories, they get worn out sooner and their physique suffers. If the ration ferments or spoils, then they won't eat it (or get sick), see above. If the food expires too fast, you will need to regularly replace rations, which drives up the resource cost of war in production & delivery. If it costs too much, that's another budget issue. If it weighs too much, then that's a strain on the soldiers and they either can't carry as many supplies or maybe even won't bring enough rations. If the packaging is annoying to open, then they might go longer between meals because it's a pain in the rear end, and the quality of their work falls off. You get the idea.

Soldiers are recruited from all walks of life, with varying levels of personal intelligence & competency, and you need as many of them as you can supply, so you need to plan around the lowest common denominator. The Art of War is held up as this incredible work of mystical buddhist wisdom, but most of it is just "here's everything that can go wrong." As funny as the people who live off rations for the hell of it can be, it actually works because by design these things are supposed to meet all your dietary needs as quickly and easily as possible.

Most armies approach these issues with the following: mostly low moisture food, a shitload of preservatives, a shitload of sugar, a shitload of fat, a shitload of salt, thick fibrous dry bread, none of which is offensive to most's digestion, often with a heating element to heat & sterilize the food, in vacuum-sealed plastic or laminated paper, if cans are used they often have pull tabs. A lot of modern rations will even include a candy bar, both for the calories & to ensure even the biggest manchildren in the army will open their rations.

Israel's approach (going off Steve's video) appears to be a big heavy cardboard box full of cans of low quality cold wet food that tastes bad, that you need to spend minutes cutting open, that also seem to not agree with a lot of soldiers' stomachs (and also the meat seems to easily ferment).

They seem to just accept that soldiers are going to burn their money ordering Pizza Hut, and will always have access to Pizza Hut.

Nailed it

I'll put this to the thread before I start posting: how much would you like to know about the rations, sanitation and related logistics of the late Roman army?

Justin Tyme posted:

The T-10D was old as poo poo and from a different era, and the military in general becoming more adverse to TBIs from dudes smacking the poo poo out of their heads on landing

Citation needed.

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crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

Brain Candy posted:

what's a year?

you know when one has passed when you've filed 4 quarterly reports

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Elden Lord Godfrey: Mar 4, 2022

There�s entire Ancient Greek passages on how Olympian athletes aren�t worth poo poo at soldiering because they have to eat too much and need too much time to sleep and train.

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Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

https://twitter.com/ysxsh/status/1731783737476583470?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

OctaMurk posted:

The giant gym dudes in the military seems so odd. Whenever I go hiking the big gym dudes get so tired and have to stop all the time, how tf these people suppose to survive walkin around in the mountains or w.e.

It's because the internal culture of the military, like everything else, is all hosed up.

Also, instead of a Royal Army Physical Training Corps, like the rest of the Commonwealth,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xegyQAy50T4

We privatized our training so that the staff don't get military pay, benefits and pensions. That means that the delivery, instead of coming from literal career experts, comes from at best people who didn't like working at the YMCA or GoodLife, and most often, like so:

So we have guys getting hurt doing CrossFit literally every month and don't test for steroids because whole formations would piss hot. A lot of formations don't run organized group PT because their NCOs are overworked and don't have time to get the coaching and instruction training. Other formations injure their guys in weird masochistic rituals, like the VanDoos snowshoeing with rucksacks in July.

These are all basically the same problem, there's no institution. No supervision, organization, resources. So, if you want to take anavar, that counts for "PT on your own time" as much as someone breaking themselves doing CrossFit, as much as someone doing yoga for an hour in the morning.

I would imagine the IDF is about the same.

e: yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3GkOk9-Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk9S_W97vDY

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dead gay comedy forums: Oct 21, 2011

Grem posted:

One of the most jarring posters I saw towards the end of my time in the Marines was this poster that says "he's training hard because he's fighting for his home, what are you training for?" with this silhouette of a dude running on top of a hill

relevant to the chat, about Hamas tactics and one of my supplementary reads from political econ I

Gabriel Garc�a M�rquez, "Operation Carlota" posted:

The United States first made known the presence of Cuban troops in Angola in an official statement of November 24, 1975. Three months later, during a short visit to Venezuela, Henry Kissinger remarked in private to President Carlos Andres Perez: "Our intelligence services have grown so bad that we only found out that Cubans were being sent to Angola after they were already there." At that moment, there were many Cuban troops, military specialists and civilian technicians in Angola - more even than Kissinger imagined. Indeed, there were so many ships anchored in the Bay of Luanda that President Agostinho Neto, counting them from his window, felt a very characteristic shudder of modesty. "It's not right," he said to a functionary personally close to him. "If they go on like that, the Cubans will ruin themselves."

It is unlikely that even the Cubans had foreseen that their solidarity aid to the Angolan people would reach such proportions. It had been clear to them right from the start, however, that the action had to be swift, decisive, and at all costs successful.

[...]

Transport by sea was no less dramatic. In the only two passenger ships, each of 4, 000 tons, all the free space was converted into sleeping accommodation and latrines were improvised in the nightclub, bars and corridors. For a number of journeys, the normal capacity of 226 passengers was tripled. Even cargo ships, which carried a crew of eighty, managed to transport over a thousand passengers as well as arms, explosives and armored cars. Field kitchens had to be put together in the lounges and cargo holds, and, in order to save water, disposable plates and yogurt containers were used for eating and drinking. Washing was done in ballast tanks and some fifty latrines emptying over the side were assembled on deck. Towards the end of six months of exceptional performance, the tired machinery of the oldest ships began to break down. This was the only ground of exasperation for the first repatriated soldiers, whose anxious return was delayed for several days by a blockage of El Vietnam Heroico's filters. When the other ships in the convoy were forced to wait for it, some of their passengers understood Che Guevara's statement that the rate of advance of a guerrilla group is determined by the man who marches the slowest.

M�rquez referenced it, Guevara wasn't the first to write it. But he was politically trained and competent at dialectics, so he probably got some of the best work done on it

Che Guevara posted:

Remember that the velocity of the guerrilla band on the march is equal to the velocity of its slowest man. It is more difficult to find uniformity of marching speed with twenty, thirty, or forty men than with ten. And the guerrilla fighter on the plain must be fundamentally a runner. Here the practice of hitting and running acquires its maximum use. The guerrilla bands on the plain suffer the enormous inconvenience of being subject to a rapid encirclement and of not having sure places where they can set up a firm resistance; therefore they must live in conditions of absolute secrecy for a long time, since it would be dangerous to trust any neighbor whose fidelity is not perfectly established. The reprisals of the enemy are so violent, usually so brutal, inflicted not only on the head of the family but frequently on the women and children as well, that pressure on individuals lacking firmness may result at any moment in their giving way and revealing information as to where the guerrilla band is located and how it is operating.

Latin American literature for people's war has an entirely different approach that would be tantamount to heresy against NATO doctrine. That idea of the pace of the slowest soldiers being the reference is not only a guideline there. IIRC, the Nicaraguans took further steps in refining those, as in having a deeper methodology of training. Proper considerations of time constraints given, guerrila training is a much more thorough process than a boot camp - fighters do not only march in the pace of the less trained, they fight according to the best capacity that the less able can give. They can be in the poo poo already, but their training is still considered ongoing; it can take more than two years (again IIRC) to achieve full competency in the general criteria.

Che Guevara posted:

[...] After having passed through very difficult tests, they will arrive at incorporating themselves into the kingdom of an army that lives from day to day and leaves no traces of its path anywhere. They ought to perform physical exercises, mainly of two types: an agile gymnastic with training for war of a commando type, which demands agility in attack and withdrawal; and hikes that are hard and exhausting that will serve to toughen the recruit for this kind of existence. Above all, they should live in the open air. They should suffer all the inclemencies of the weather in close contact with nature, as the guerrilla band does.

[...]

Besides ideological and moral preparations, careful physical training is necessary. The guerrillas will, of course, select a mountainous or very wild zone for their operations. At any rate, in whatever situation they find themselves, the basic tactic of the guerrilla army is the march, and neither slow men nor tired men can be tolerated. Adequate training therefore includes exhausting hikes day and night, day after day, increasing gradually, always continued to the brink of exhaustion, with emulation used to increase speed. Resistance and speed will be fundamental qualities of the first guerrilla nucleus. Also a series of theoretical principles can be taught, for example, direction finding, reading, and forms of sabotage. If possible, there should be training with military rifles, frequent firing, above all at distant targets, and much instruction about the way to economize bullets.

To the guerrilla fighter, economy and utilization of ammunition down to the last bullet should be almost like religious tenets. If all these admonitions are followed, the guerrilla forces may well reach their goal.

Compare this with wunderwaffen bullshit. With insane directives and requirements for an app-based martial "theory" addled by fascist brain-rot. It's a world apart of difference.

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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

People make fun of the ANA guys doing jumping jacks, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwSJKKYkKbw

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The Atomic Man-Boy: Jul 23, 2007

I said come in! posted:

It just super sucks that humanity is the way it is. If those in power didn't care for war, and racism, we could be living on other planets in other solar systems by now or some poo poo.

I might be mis-remembering this, but there was some camera filament that was recovered from the downed U2 spy plane, the Soviets reversr-engineered it, and but it in their Venus lander.

So something we used to look for places to nuke, they used to explore other planets for the good of mankind. Really puts the lie to capitalism innovating anything except for ways to genocide people.

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Justin Tyme: Feb 22, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Nailed it

I'll put this to the thread before I start posting: how much would you like to know about the rations, sanitation and related logistics of the late Roman army?

Citation needed.

oh I know, they only pay lipservice, but the term "TBI" only got an official definition in 2008 or so and afaik they didn't even screen for it before then

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

I might be mis-remembering this, but there was some camera filament that was recovered from the downed U2 spy plane, the Soviets reversr-engineered it, and but it in their Venus lander.

So something we used to look for places to nuke, they used to explore other planets for the good of mankind. Really puts the lie to capitalism innovating anything except for ways to genocide people.

Ooh dang, that is a very cool fact!

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crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

dead gay comedy forums posted:

relevant to the chat, about Hamas tactics and one of my supplementary reads from political econ I

M�rquez referenced it, Guevara wasn't the first to write it. But he was politically trained and competent at dialectics, so he probably got some of the best work done on it

Latin American literature for people's war has an entirely different approach that would be tantamount to heresy against NATO doctrine. That idea of the pace of the slowest soldiers being the reference is not only a guideline there. IIRC, the Nicaraguans took further steps in refining those, as in having a deeper methodology of training. Proper considerations of time constraints given, guerrila training is a much more thorough process than a boot camp - fighters do not only march in the pace of the less trained, they fight according to the best capacity that the less able can give. They can be in the poo poo already, but their training is still considered ongoing; it can take more than two years (again IIRC) to achieve full competency in the general criteria.

Compare this with wunderwaffen bullshit. With insane directives and requirements for an app-based martial "theory" addled by fascist brain-rot. It's a world apart of difference.

lol che guevara "just run you idiot"

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