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Ah man I hate when shows and manga drag on for years. We're already 7 volumes in how loving large will this get?
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Kingtheninja posted:Awesome, how much time do you think has passed? Probably 4 to 6 years. I have a feeling Thorfinn was roughly around the age of 12-14 when we last saw him.
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Jun 24, 2009 01:40
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No release this month or are the scanlation groups behind?
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Jul 29, 2009 00:39
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I assume we skipped July and this is the August release or are we behind for translation?
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Aug 8, 2009 02:29
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Despite it all Thorfinn turned out to be exactly like the girl in chapter 2. http://www.onemanga.com/Vinland_Saga/2/37/ Didn't exactly do what he'd say he'd do.
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Aug 8, 2009 05:53
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Thorfinn is going to murder that idiot. Like he has no loving idea how badly he is going to get hosed up.
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Oct 2, 2009 05:14
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Well atleast the title bar was amusing. Vinland Saga 64. Brings me back a few years 
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Apr 25, 2010 22:10
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The horse is probably a work horse similar to a Clydesdale which is loving monstrously big.
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Apr 26, 2010 04:27
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I don't get how Einar, who is an English slave, has a Norse name. Who is he supposed to be based off of historically?
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Dec 28, 2010 02:15
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Anyone want to attempt to figure out what his dream means? It's obviously regrets over his past. It appears to be mainly centered around his regrets over all the killing he's done. Glimpses of the old English woman, and his father and and all the skeletons of the people he's put into the dirt pretty easily conclude that. Though I'd suspect this is going to be a revelation of some sorts. All of the Roman pillars call back to Askeladd's speech of the world slowly dying. I'd suspect Thorfinn is going to conclude that the path the Danes and his past life are whats killing the world and attempt to build something for the first time in his life.
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Dec 28, 2010 05:16
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Eiba posted:Well there it is. The real plot of Vinland Saga emerges. Everything up until now has been to give Thorfinn the perspective to want to build a better society in a new world. Well, the story has a long way to go. He has to be tutored on how to sail a ship first off and find his wife back on Iceland. More than likely you're going to see a plot arc with Leif and Thorfinn doing this before he makes the trip to Vinland.
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Jun 24, 2012 17:04
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Zorak posted:That was a pretty outstanding chapter. It's sort of funny how half-hearted Canute is about hey I told you guys not to kill them / capture him alive ah whatever. It's just the way battles occurred back then. You had minor control during the skirmishing of flinging arrows and rocks at each other but once the melee was engaged it was hit or miss. A General of the era was skilled more by picking the proper battlefield than movement of troops during the fight. Even the Romans could only hold a few cohorts back and reinforce a failing flank or do a cavalry charge. Either you picked a spot that is beneficial to your army or you have some new tactic that isn't really done. See: Battle of Agincort The Battle of Stamford Bridge was decisive merely because the Norse army was split half on one side of the river and the other on the far side. Hell one badass guy literally stopped the entire English advance over the bridge killing 40 people alone until some wiseass floated underneath it and speared him from below. During the Battle of Hastings which by all accounts William the Conqueror should have lost as he was charging uphill into a shield wall was won because he was unhorsed and the English thought he was dead. They broke down their shield wall to pursue and lost their advantage when the Normans counter attacked leading to the death of Harold Godwinson.
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Mar 24, 2013 20:10
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I must say I am confused with that comic. Is it taking place in the post Holy Roman Empire transition into Imperial Germany timeframe or is the story occurring in its own world created by the author but taking heavy notes from that timeframe?
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May 5, 2013 05:32
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Arbite posted:New Cesare. The Emperors of the HRE were so loving weak compared to the Emperors of the Roman Empire, East or West. Just imagine how someone like Constantine V would react to being excommunicated. gently caress... the guy hated the church structure so much he forced Monks and Nuns to marry.
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Jul 25, 2013 03:30
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Wait, are they supposed to be a Roman/Byzantine type of thing? I'm not so sure, because the Lusitanians are mentioned to have attacked a nation that was also Manga Christian (Yaldabord?) and the Lusitanian kid decried that nation's "Eastern church", implying some sort of Great Schism. So it's "Maruyama" that is the Byzantine/Roman equivalent, I figure, and the Lusitanians are more like Franks/Western European/Catholic dudes. There is practically an offshoot fork of Christianity for each of the Pentarchies. Coptics out of Alexandria, Syriac Christianity based from the former city of Antioch, commonly called Nestorian. Orthodox out of Constantinople and obviously the Catholics out of Rome. Jerusalem was added in as a historical nod to the city but it wasn't a major power player within the Faith. Within each of those main branches you get splinters and forks from the splinters, Cathars, Protestants being the most notable of the Catholic "heresies" Hell, I'm not a theologian but I can't even remember if Arianism and Calcedonism ever managed to get resolved. During the 400s Armenia was a Christian nation and Rome actually used the "we're the sole protector of all believers of the Faith" card to justify a war. I believe Emperor Constantine was literally was moving to the mustering point in Antioch for a campaign under these exact pretenses against the Persians when he died.
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Sep 4, 2013 21:59
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What happened to Thorfinn's boat? The one Aleskadd took after killing Thorfinn's father? I can't seem to remember where it got left behind or something? Thorkell defending London was the last time Aleskadd was in a boat.
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Oct 27, 2013 16:26
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Suben posted:A series focused on Ricimer and the last days of the western empire would honestly be really cool. That entire timeframe is loving intense. Basiliscus literally botched the last ditch attempt at stabilizing the Western Empire. Given command of probably one of the largest amphibious invasion until like... Normandy. And he loses nearly the entire force of 100k+ men. If there is ever a point in history where one person made an impact that changed the course of history it was the decision to put him in command of that punitive invasion. Not only did he get a force destroyed by an enemy he easily outnumbered 10 to 1 he loving goes back and destabilizes the East so badly that they can't do anything to save the West for well over a generation.
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Dec 22, 2013 07:30
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Breaky posted:There's good torture porn? Apparently the movie Zero Dark Thirty was well received by American audiences.
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Jan 27, 2014 00:27
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Jackard posted:Well yea, there's one on the cover? Yeah but wierd and misleading covers on books are a thing. Just look at Computer Programming books in general. http://www.amazon.com/Mining-Social-Web-Facebook-LinkedIn/dp/1449367615/ref=sr_1_49?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395713647&sr=1-49 What the gently caress does scraping have to do with whatever animal that is on the front of the cover. Mole? Muskrat? I don't loving know. It's like an artform, every Computer book has some black and white random photo. Python? "Bah just throw a picture of the Doge of Venice on there who gives a gently caress"
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Mar 25, 2014 03:15
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isme posted:Vinland Saga is by far my favorite historical manga, but this chapter has "ruined my immersion" a little by constantly bringing up "MEN SAIL BOATS! WOMEN PROTECT THE HOME!". Which is technically all not that true in Viking culture. Especially since there are plenty of historical accounts of women actively fighting along men as equals. And also the History channel constantly reminding us about shieldmaidens in the series Vikings. Shield maidens were rare as all hell. Which is why Lagertha is such a huge loving deal. Not to mention we are about 200 or so years off from that time period. Literally in the timeframe the show Vikings takes place in no human has set foot on Iceland. Vikings takes place starting at 792, we are at somewhere between 1010 and 1015. That is a long long time and towards the tail end of the Viking era. YouTuber fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Apr 5, 2014 |
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ManOfTheYear posted:Yeah, I know it sounds - and is - pretty stupid. If a piece of work is part of a certain genre and it has that genre's tropes, there should be no right to complain. What I meant here was that if it's supposed to be historical manga, it should be more true to the time it's set, like having the characters think, talk and function like people did in that culture, not have the same storytelling methods as Naruto has. Have you ever read an actual history or saga? Even "enlightened" and "civilized" cultures like Byzantium come up with total horseshit accounts. In the Alexiad which is written by a Byzantine princess about her father fighting invaders; usurping the throne and ruling prior and after the first Crusade, has an account where he loving has his horse leap up something like a 20 foot tall boulder and scoot away. Another segment talks about his brother leading an army and from her account gets hit with what across as a hurricane that floods a nearby river so much that he practically is the second coming of Noah. The real deal sagas are full of exaggerated feats and totally implausible events. Vinland Saga is supposed to be both parts impossible and real, it's emulating the source material. Just look at this passage where Alexius gets speared directly in the chest during a night battle quote:During this time, a Frank, belonging to the Domestic's troops, and, to make a long story short, a brave soldier, instinct with the spirit of Ares, noticed my father coming out from the enemy's centre, bare sword in hand, all smoking with blood, and took him for one of the enemy. In a trice he fell upon him, knocked him on the chest with his spear, and was within an ace of hurling the General off his horse, had the General not seated himself more firmly, and addressed the soldier by name, and threatened to cut off his head with his sword. However, the Frank, by pleading his want of recognition, and the confusion consequent upon a night-battle, was allowed to remain among the living!  So brave and so perfect, I'm sure he wasn't winded or anything!
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Apr 25, 2014 17:42
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Given that Thors leaving the Jomsvikings was a huge deal punishable by death how did Thorkell just up and leave as he did. I mean, yeah Thorkell would probably single handedly kill an entire army that tried to enforce such a thing but so could Thors for that matter.
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Apr 30, 2014 01:07
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Ytlaya posted:I get the impression that Baltzar is actually kind of a bad person and him/the series tends to paint anti-military/war interests in a negative light, but I still enjoy reading it regardless just because the setting is really unique and interesting. You're viewing it backwards. At that timeframe being anti-military/war was an aberration. Just read some of the bullshit American novels from that time period with soldiers getting shot in the head while carrying the American flag and they die in such a manner that the flag never touches the ground. Your viewpoint is a post World War 1 outlook. World War 1 ripped all that bullshit out by the root then burned it and salted the earth. Teddy Roosevelt probably personifies that outlook to the T in his memoirs. It wasn't until World War 1 that even he was shell shocked out of his stupor when his son was killed.
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May 3, 2014 16:29
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Oh look it's the Fyad-lite crowd desperate to try this whole "trolling" thing they've heard about from FYAD. Really, they could have done their homework and brought up Bunny Drop's ending.
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May 28, 2014 02:47
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Zorak posted:For example, the Mongolians in the time of Temujin had a complete aversion to blood being spilt / seeing or being close enough to someone to get their blood on you. So they basically went out of their way to innovate approaches to warfare that allowed them to kill people without having to enter into any sort of melee, and emphasized things like horseback archery etc. Another interesting part of this was that the most dignified way for someone to die, then, was bloodlessly. As such, the most respectful way to execute someone was to shatter their spine / break their neck. Uh this is totally false and there was shitloads of fighting back and forth between the tribes. It could easily be described as complete anarchy based on might makes right. Hell, Temujin's wife was abducted in one of the raids and by the time he managed to get her back she was allegedly knocked up. Genghis Khan (certainly molded by the environment he lived in) is probably one of the worst individuals to ever grace the planet. gently caress he outright decapitated his brother just in front of his Mother who called him "a destroyer" Just the tagline of that book shows it's a clueless fantasy based on pop culture. "The Mongol army led by Genghis Khan subjugated more lands and people in twenty-five years than the Romans did in four hundred. " Anyone who has studied Roman history knows that they had an obsession with "just" wars and laws. Rome would spend years goading people into doing some trivial thing to upset them and then blow it out of proportion. It was extremely rare for them to just outright annex places with no cause. The Mongols would show up out of nowhere demand fealty and if it wasn't given (because the peasants logically had no idea who the gently caress the Mongols were) they'd siege it using captives as human waves then assign every rider to kill 10 or so people until the entire city was dead. These things aren't just conceived of on the fly, this poo poo is ingrained into the culture. By the time Genghis Khan passed away there was such depopulation along the silk road that it caused climate change. Of course there is going to be minimal crime when there is a lack of people in general. Every city touched by Genghis Khan went through something that makes the Rape of Nanking look like a walk in the park. Just the immediate successions after Genghis Khan prove they had no real capability of governance. The election of the 3rd Khan after Temujin was saved by chance because one of the other tribes was wheeling a wagon full of weapons towards it with intent to kill everyone present. The Chinese working for the Mongols made their Empire functional, not the Mongols themselves.
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Zorak posted:No? His younger full-blood brother shot his older half brother to death with a bow, then they ran away and left him bleeding to death. She immediately found out and did the whole speech yes, and it resulted in him being captured and put to slavery for an extended period by one of the local noble families. I think I'm getting the mother watching the event confused with Atilla the Hun, or maybe it was Caracalla/Geta for the mother screaming he was only a destroyer. There is a lot of kinslaying back in the old days. I've been awake for like 72 hours straight now and going off of just pure memory for most of what I've written so I'm most definitely wrong.
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Jun 3, 2014 19:26
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Munin posted:So yeah, he didn't start a plebe but he was very much towards the bottom of the nobility ladder. Caesar had a great name though. Just being from the Julia family opened way more doors to him that were never accessible to someone like Crassus who had to force his way up the political chain while Caesar was a wiz kid. But to be fair, neither Crassus or Caesar would have had such success if it weren't for Marius and Sulla's purges. The purges the two instigated cleared out so many Patrician families that it made the cursus honorum wide open for exploitation. YouTuber fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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I'm pretty sure that around the time the comic takes place the Varangian Guard switches from being Nordic to overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon. With a larger flood coming after William the Conqueror shows up on the scene. I have no loving idea what year it is in this story any longer so you may just well see Basil II blind 14000 Bulgarians. And generously leave 1000 of them with just a single eye to lead the procession back home.
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Aug 4, 2014 00:28
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Eiba posted:Using real world knowledge leads to contradictory dates. The real Thorfinn Karlsefni went to Vinland in 1010. That's before Sven Forkbeard was proclaimed King of England. Well, lets say I doubt we'll be seeing Thorfinn getting involved with local politics. This is the last highwater mark for Byzantium, from here it's all downhill aside from the brief turnaround provided Alexius and the other Komenos rulers it's right into the abyss. The only thing going on during Basil II's reign at this timeframe is the Bulgarians. The Turks show up after he dies. Really makes you wonder why there is never any movies and comics about the time period starting with The Battle of Manzikert -> 4th Crusade. That period is loving intense with a lot of big names. Bohemond is largely forgotten to history these days. There is so much backstabbing and politicking that it makes Game of Thrones look like a kids playground. YouTuber fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Aug 8, 2014 03:09
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I legit have never once heard of people stuffing feces into wounds as a medical thing. Urine on the other hand I have heard of being used for stuff. Catullus of face loving fame has a poem about some guy using urine to whiten his teeth.
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Aug 19, 2014 20:25
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Lets be totally honest with ourselves. Thorkell is the only one hot headed enough to burn every bridge in his life solely for the chance to fight a war. Killing Floki would be justice for his buddy Thors. Killing everyone else that sided with him would be for fun.
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Ghost of Babyhead posted:Vita Arcana, yeah. Probably the only manga to depict Macrinus. That period of Roman History is full of such insane amount of conflict that it's surprising that someone could screw up an adaptation. The author seems to know a fair bit about the period considering they managed to adapt the generic ascension speech every Emperor seemed to use. I wonder how much of the gender bending weird poo poo was their idea. A faithful adaption of the history alone would actually be hella cool. Nobody ever covers the third century crisis in any media.
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