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Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Won't you take me to . . .

Frunkytown

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Jan 16, 2015

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Zeppelin Insanity posted:

It's also a very visible trend in interiors, where interior design departments think Tesla interiors are good, so they do "modern" things like haptic poo poo on steering wheels and replacing everything with awkward big screens. Most car reviewers then immediately go "wow that's a big screen", and only a few say "wow that's a big screen, shame it's hard to use it as a car, but then again wow that's a big screen".

I think/hope that we may be starting to see the end of this. I know the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I've seen a trend in the last little while of reviews/commentary actually engaging with tech features. The example that comes to mind is the near-unanimous refrain that the haptic controls in the new GTI/R are a nightmare to use and really affect living with the car day-to-day. Also see talk about the stupid Tesla yoke at slow speeds.

mobby_6kl posted:

Obviously the Giulia is the only valid sports sedan choicenat this point :colbert:

Yup.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Laserface posted:

I have entirely lost interest in new cars after 2010 and am actively seeking out older cars with less lovely tech in them.\


Wireless Apple Carplay head unit retrofitted to something with proper switches and knobs for climate control is the most tech I will accept.

The fact that Porsche makes replacement head units for its older cars is so tempting, it's just a shame I've never liked the fried egg headlights.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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KakerMix posted:

Ah, Porsche, the secret makers of the most perfect high-power wagon you can get in all the browns inside and out :allears:

Mamba green taycan sport tourismo is the perfect car.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Ugh, I hate that I really like the new Civic Type R. I do not need a car at all. Much less a FWD hot "hatch." But I really want one.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Al-Saqr posted:

If guage clusters are going digital why not have fun with it?

I want a guage cluster that’s sonic the hedgehog running faster and faster and once you hit 100 kph he turns into super sonic and ‘sonic boom’ starts playing on the stereo.

So long as if you have a crash it shows him lose all his rings.

Jean-Paul Shartre fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Sep 17, 2022

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Looks like the cheap Chinese ripoff of itself more than anything.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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melon cat posted:

This right here is going to be the universal, quintessential experience for every Corolla Cross buyer. They might as well make it the official marketing copy.

The Corolla Cross: it's Car, but taller

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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And to a RAV4 Prime owner, the fact that they have one probably helps itself. Either aware of their luck, or convincing themselves it's perfect to justify whatever markup they paid.

Also lol at all the electric cars that aren't Tesla on the list.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Can't say I dislike it, but where are they looking to position Lancia? If it's going to be Buick to Alfa's Cadillac, less sporty, softer, upmarket, I'm not sure Italy is enough of a domestic market to sustain that, given that DS is already there in the rest of Europe.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Dr. Lunchables posted:

One of the biggest reasons we bought the house we did was because the garage can fit my 77 Lincoln.

I have no idea how folks in the 70s managed. The size of a 1950-60s garage is loving tiny.

You hang tennis balls from the ceiling that you need the car to barely hit, just like both of my grandparents did.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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The problem is people think "normal car ownership" includes the four hour drive to grandma's every Thanksgiving, and so just rule out any EV that can't do that rather than do the math on renting a gas car for that weekend versus the fuel and maintenance savings on an EV for the other 360 days of the year.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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mobby_6kl posted:

But then you look at the EV Up! for example is 3x more expensive than a gas one, and even a shorter weekend drive would be a pain in the rear end.

To be fair, a gas Up (Exclamation Point) is basically a tin shed from home depot with two bus seat benches and a lawnmower engine dropped in. I wouldn't be surprised if an EV battery/motor system wholesale does cost two or three times everything else in the car.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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FBS posted:

A Lexus Texas?

With extra room in the rear, to boot.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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fknlo posted:

They are a great value. But there's a reason for it. From when I briefly looked at them the consensus from owners is that you can get an 8 year old Genesis with 120k miles on it for $15k because you're gonna be lucky to get another 30k miles out of it before the engine is shot. The longevity just hasn't been there.

When the mothership has a 10 year/100k mile warranty, the mothership designs for 10 years/100k miles.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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SlowBloke posted:

Participation cost is 5mil € for three year of races.

Do you pay the full five mil up front, such that it actually makes financial sense for Ferrari to be trying to kill its biggest customers on track day one before supporting them through three years, rather than just seeming that way based on this decision?

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Wait why are we talking about loofahs?

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Powershift posted:

I saw what looked like a Mustang Mach-e with an unpainted body kit. turns out it was a Subaru Solterra




definitely some homework copying.

“Yeah, just flip the grill over so it doesn’t look like you copied”

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Kivi posted:

It's not tune, but a OBD bit:
https://squadra-tuning.com/obd-tools/performance-logger/

Car is tuned, just something what the local programmer threw on a dyno, from base 200 hp to 300 hp. He went for reliable RON98 performance as per my request.

I don't want to shower people behind me with the studs from my tires :sigh:

The reliability tune for a 300hp Alfa isn’t “buy a golf r”?

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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Bulk Vanderhuge posted:

You use an official Dodge Charger Charger (by Dodge.)

The Dodge Dodge Charger Charger

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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GD_American posted:

Hampton DeVille said to be partnering with Ford to put their Obelisk tablet on the next-gen Mach-E, as owners complained "what's this pussy mini-screen poo poo"



Just waiting for Tesla’s “Oops! All Screen” edition where you steer with left or right arrows you keep pressed on the Allscreen. Of course they’ll improve the response time. Next update.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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KillHour posted:

Generational wealth is immoral, actually. There should be a 100% inheritance tax on anything over $100k per heir.

Yeah. gently caress farms! And poor people who bought houses before the market exploded!

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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davecrazy posted:

Stellantis leaked the Grand Wagoneer S





Mom, mom, can we get a Range Rover Evoque?

No, we have a Range Rover Evoque at home.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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SlowBloke posted:

If it was a Peugeot it would look nice on the outside instead of generic



I note you’ve specifically posted one before they changed their logo to match a bad high school sports team’s. Though I will admit they do look good when the DRLs are on the vertical lights.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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dissss posted:

Wild that both Ford and GM, the two companies that benefited most from the tax still tried to evade it.

I wouldn’t put it as “tried to evade it.” Let an ex trade lawyer tell you a story. Customs law is very clear that the state of a good at importation is normally* determinative of the tariff classification of the good. And as a result of some shenanigans over frozen chicken in the sixties, there’s two customs headings right next to each other in the tariff schedules: “motor vehicles for the transport of goods” are subject to a 25% tariff rate, while those “principally designed for the transport of persons” are only tariffed at 2.5%. These type of customs classifications are called eo nomine headings, because lawyers think we’re fancy and like to use Latin instead of just saying “what the thing is when imported governs.”

And for decades, the vans were imported with seats and seatbelts and floor mats installed. Which was good enough for customs classification purposes, since the vans, in the condition they were imported in, were therefore suitable for the transport of persons and not suitable for the transport of goods. It was wholly immaterial from the point of view of these two eo nomine headings that the seats were cheap and the floor mats barely stuck down and the window was part of one obvious square panel and all would be removed inside the United States, because, again, what happens after importation does not matter for classification.

Returning to that pesky “normally,” there’s a small number of tariff classifications that are called either “principal use” or “actual use” provisions. The difference between the two is bureaucratic and not important here, but the point is that whether or not one of of these types of headings applies does depend on evidence of use after importation, which is evaluated under one of the worst multi-factor tests a court has ever saw fit to create, an eight-factor monstrosity from a case United States v. Carborundum Co. And the types of headings are mutually exclusive: a heading is either an eo nomine heading or a use heading.

So how do you tell if you’re dealing with a use heading ? Simple: it has the word “use” in it. For example, HTSUS 9817.00.50 gives a tariff discount to “machinery used for agricultural or horticultural purposes”, because if you’re a large agricultural conglomerate, boy does the government have free money for you. Now go back to our two headings: motor vehicles “for the transport of goods” or “principally designed for the transport of persons.” Note that neither of these have the word “use” in them. (Since you’ll ask, the phrase “principally designed” appears often in tariff headings, often when you have a sort of binary choice of two classifications like you do here and serves as a tiebreaker - a good that’s about 50/50 usually goes under the one heading of the pair without the phrase - and, important for our purposes, has never been interpreted as equivalent to the word “use”).

So ever since the sixties the laws were clear and what you had to do to import a van and get the 2.5% rate was clear: it had to have seats and rear windows and stuff, and it didn’t matter that they were cheap and would be ripped out at a plant a few miles from the port so long as they met the federal safety standards for what makes a passenger seat, seatbelt, etc. (the Ford vans at issue even had the child car seat latches). And global supply lines, manufacturing plant locations, shipping schedules, etc. were all set over decades knowing that that was the rule. Is it tax evasion? No, no more than a hedge fund manager getting carry taxed at cap gains rate rather than as income rate. It’s a corporation taking advantage of the rules as written, and the issue is the rules suck.

And then, in 2011, Customs threw a fit and insisted that the 25% rate for goods-carrying vehicles applied to a shipment of Ford vans. It gets murky as to exactly what happened: Ford’s telling has some Customs agents taking a look at a batch of post-processing vans and noted they no longer had seats or windows or such, the government’s story is that Ford had a separate line of VIN’s for these vans, different seats, floors, etc than the Transit passenger vans and so they noticed that way. Anyways, Ford appealed to the Court of International Trade, which is a Borg Cube in New York City where a handful of trade lawyers get to be federal judges specialising in this not at all dry and persnickety field of law. The CIT ruled for Ford, in an opinion full of phrases like “well-settled tenet of law” and that what happens after importation is “immaterial” and that Customs’ position is “paradoxical”, which are all lawyerly ways of telling the US Government to stop trying to pull this transparent bullshit which goes against fifty years of how things were done.

However, decisions of the CIT are appealed to the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, which is problematic in two ways: 1) it’s not in a Borg Cube in NYC, but an ugly red brick carbuncle in Washington DC, so post-hearing drink options are worse, and 2) it’s full of judges that are patent lawyers who wish all the non-patent cases they have to deal with would up and go away so they can go back to their fun arguments about whatever the hell “a person of ordinary skill in the art” would or wouldn’t have known. So when they get their hands on a trade issue (or a veteran’s healthcare rights issue or contract with the U.S. government as buyer issue) poo poo can get weird.

So these three patent lawyers, faced with precedent making it clear that “use” headings have the word “use” in them and non-use headings are determined at time of import, up and invent a fourth type of heading: “an eo nomine heading that ‘inherently suggests a type of use’”. And it just so happens that inventing this new type of heading means that these evil foreigners of Ford Corporation now owe Customs a few hundred million dollars. Never mind that this fourth type of heading conflates the two types of headings that are mutually exclusive - “never the twain shall meet” has gone and had a kid. Or that the test for it is incoherent and unclear - nobody knows when it applies, or whether evidence of post-importation use is more or less important than state at time of importation.

This upsets, well, everyone. Not that we’re weeping for Ford, they’ll be fine with their infinite money. It’s more that nobody knows how to handle this combination of things that should not be combined, when it applies, or how it applies when it does. Which is important for things like global supply chains, which parts of processing to put in what factories where, etc. Honestly, the substance of the law is less important than its certainty and consistency in terms of supply chain investment, and the Federal Circuit has just gone and made the law less certain and less consistent. And in fact that probably hurts US manufacturing, because since the US does very little raw materials processing anymore, you’re going to have a factory elsewhere making a predecessor good which is then further processed, and if it’s unclear if post-importation processing in the U.S. will or won’t get you a cheaper tariff rate, you’re going to put the factory where it’s cheaper and price the tariff in.

So yeah, that’s what happened with chicken tax vans.

Jean-Paul Shartre fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Mar 14, 2024

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

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euphronius posted:

Did the Supreme Court not review it ?

Sorry if you said and I missed it

I didn’t mention it. Ford petitioned for cert (https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...0Certiorari.pdf if you want to read, it’s where they’re alleging Customs trainees looked at post-processing vans) but it was denied.

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Jan 16, 2015

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mobby_6kl posted:

I don't think they sell the Accord in Europe at all. No idea WTF Honda is doing (or rather not doing). EU's a pretty big market and cars like the Fit, Civic and Accord (RIP) are all in popular segments, not to mention their CUV thingies. I haven't been insde a current-gen Honda but they seem to be very competitive by all accounts so it's really strange. Maybe it's becasue everything is only weird E-CVT hybrid and people hate it? :shrug:

It’s more that Honda isn’t very prominent or visible here (I’m in Switzerland). Besides the Fit/Fit Cross thing, I only see one or two e’s around. I think they just don’t have much of a presence in either the market or people’s minds, and when you’re selling Just A Car, even a nice one, that’s not going to be enough to get people to put in the effort to seek Honda, specifically, out.

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TheBacon posted:

I asked them to bring the M3 Touring as well lol.

I stumbled across a new M3 touring in Geneva and have to say it wasn’t bad even with the nose. Something about the long roof balances it out in a way the coupe doesn’t.

Would still take an Alpina b3 instead and avoid it, but it’s not bad.

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