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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Frankly, Wild Arms 2's translation is a plus, not a minus. It's so amazingly bad that I went through the entire game just to see what ridiculous poo poo would come out next.

Also, Valkyrie Profile is a PSX RPG that's aged well, mostly due to how unique it's mechanics are.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Coughing Hobo posted:

Clearly you angered one of the many vengeful gods that inhabit Unlimited SaGa, and they saw fit to exact a toll for your indiscretions.
Knowing the SaGa games, this might be an actual mechanic that's never explained.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

WYA posted:

I asked him about the Personae games and he said the only worthwhile one is 2. The later ones have numerous game crashing bugs and were shipped incomplete? Is this true? I dont feel like I can trust him anymore
:psyduck:, what? I played both 3 and 4 for hours and hours and I never once ran into a bug, gamecrashing or otherwise, in any of the versions of them.

And incomplete? Those games last for hours and hours. They get a little repetitive due to the dungeons being fairly uncomplicated, but they aren't incomplete or bugged. Your friend is talking out his rear end.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Wendell posted:

It's been made clear by now, but there's something seriously wrong with your friend. I assume he's acting as if Shadow Madness is some lost classic just because it's obscure and he gets to feel superior.
Shadow Madness is kind of likable for what it is, but it isn't exactly stellar. It's like a 3D rpgmaker game. Sure, it's kinda busted here and there, and the plots' weird, but the dialogue's charming in an off-kilter way.

That said I definitely wouldn't look at it as a lost classic. More like a hidden little curiosity.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Because they have different tastes, Fronz-senpai.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Here's my logical thought: persona 3 and 4 own

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

GulagDolls posted:

What do you like about them. This is a serious question.
I like the characters, I like the combat system, and while I agree the dungeons were fairly boring the actual boss battles made up for them. I found the boss fights really interesting, with several having fun gimmicks, and the persona fusion system had its problem but also made leveling really fun.

The dialogue/plots were kinda goofy but I just relaxed and enjoyed the ride, and the character interactions were really charming and likable for me, even the non-party social links. The music's fantastic in both games, and both of them have a heavy atmosphere, just not the usual SMT atmosphere. Persona 4 especially really gets across the feeling of a small town.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

The dating sim stuff is still there and the dungeons aren't any more interesting gameplay wise, the aesthetics just change more often.

If you loathed P3, P4 won't change your mind.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I like the dungeon design in the first Valkyrie Profile just because of the silly-rear end platforming you can do with the crystals.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Not sure if I'd call it an 'action RPG', but the Tales series has a focus on action combat. Fair warning that the plots are JRPG as gently caress and the combat in the early games can be a bit janky, though.

EDIT: gently caress, beaten. Uh, if you're counting SOTN, then most other Metroidvania type games count too.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Captain Walker posted:

Also Badrach tosses a cigar at the enemy for his finisher in the PSP version, as intended, rather than just shooting them. Too bad literally no one ever uses Badrach.

fake e: can't wait for someone to tell me he's the best and I am doing it all wrong.
Badrach is the best and you're doing it all wrong.

That said I'm pretty sure he still has the dumb shooty super, even in the PSp port.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

FFT's PSP port is slow as hell, BoF3 is pretty average.

Valkyrie Profile.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

BadAstronaut posted:

What does this mean?
"time-unit management"
There's a time management aspect to Valkyrie Profile. Each chapter is split up into 24 time-units, and doing various actions depletes those units by a few. It's not actual real-life time, just entering dungeons or recruiting a character and poo poo, how much time you spend in a dungeon doesn't affect anything.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

MockingQuantum posted:

I'm about to start Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume and I've never played any of the other VP games. Anything I need to know? Or am I making a horrible mistake by starting with this one?
Covenant of the Plume is a prequel to the first game, and plays pretty differently to the other games in the series. You aren't screwing yourself over by playing it first at all, just keep in mind that the other two games won't have the strategy RPG aspects.

Only real advice is that if you don't meet your sin quota per battle, the game starts throwing stronger enemies at you. So, uh. Try to get enough sin.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ImpAtom posted:

That is exactly what I meant. It just keeps getting worse as it goes.
That thread's amazing in that it managed to make me hate both sides of the argument, even the one I, in theory, agreed with.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Friendly Factory posted:

So here's a list of retro-style jRPG games on the PC:

Penny Arcade 3 and 4
Breath of Death VII
Cthulu Saves the World
Dragon Fantasy
Two Brothers

I'm sure there have to be others I'm missing. If there are, can someone point them out to me? I absolutely adore this era of jRPG, likely because recent history has ruined the entire sub-genre.
Exit Fate is Not!Suikoden, and also really good. The writing's a bit stiff in places and the art varies from 'bland but decent' to 'holy poo poo what' but the combat system is actually interesting and fun, and makes some interesting steps away from both JRPG formula and the games it's specifically based off of.

Though it has the Suikoden problem of some of the characters just being complete jobbers, and others having absurd recruitment requirements. Protip: There's a cat in every city in the early game, hunt down that cat and talk to him in every city, because believe it or not he's one of the best characters in the game. You also need him to recruit another good character.

Also maybe it's just me but even though the protagonist is meant to be an all-rounder who's average in every category, I got way more use out of him sticking him in the backrow and having him on healing duty.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Sep 25, 2013

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Weird, I don't remember random battles taking that long, ever. The very first dungeon is a little boring but it's over quickly. It's been a while since I played but did you put everyone in the back row or something?

Endorph fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Sep 25, 2013

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

If you like RPGs or SRPGs, it's worth playing. If you haven't played a SRPG before, it's a pretty good introduction to the genre. If you have any interest at all, it's worth playing just because you might as well if it's already pre-owned (so presumably opened.)

It's one of the best RPGs on the 3DS so far, but if that phrase has no meaning to you it isn't gonna change your mind.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

GulagDolls posted:

I would hesitate to attach the word "strategy" to any fire emblem title, but this one most of all. you should play it if you really enjoy seeing your numbers go up and critical attack chances.
Uhh, what? Which ones have you played? FE13 is pretty easy yeah, I won't deny that, but a lot of the games in the series are plenty hard and do require strategy, at least on the higher difficulties.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Stelas posted:

I jumped straight into FE:A on Hard Classic and it makes the early game pretty engaging. I assume that I'll reach the point where I stride worlds and destroy everything, but that sure isn't happening right now.
Well, if you never grind and you're on hard mode, it's less that and more that the map design completely falls apart at the tail end of FE13. It's not enough to ruin the game, but fair warning.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Jack B Nimble posted:

Fake Edit-Oh I have a more specific question! So the same guy who did FF Tactics, Vagrant Story, and Tactics Ogre wrote SOME of FF 12? Is that what I'm looking for? The wikipedia entry paints enticing broad strokes but it's all in the execution.
Emphasis on some. He got fired halfway through and it shows, the plot's pretty disjointed and pretty much goes away from the political stuff about 3/4ths of the way through. It still might be worth a look but don't go in excepting it to end with 'What did you get, Vaan?"

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I wouldn't necessarily call Phantom Brave a 'spin-off' of Disgaea. A lot of the mechanics are similar but it has its own flavor in terms of how it plays, and the story's got nothing to do with Disgaea. Laharl & Co make an appearance, but only in a jokey cameo fight way. Same with Soul Nomad.

Though funnily enough Phantom Brave and Soul Nomad are connected in a fairly direct way.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

The music in Ar Tonelico justifies its existence, really. If you can't handle anime fanservice (I don't think the first two games are really that bad in this regard - that is, they're bad, but there's way worse out there in RPGland), just lsiten to the OSTs and pretend you're playing a game to go with them.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Red Bones posted:

I'm looking for more RPGs that do the thing that bioware games have done really well, where you get to choose what your main character is like, and you get to interact with a bunch of fun party members as you go on a big adventure together. Anything that replicates the feeling of hanging out on the Normandy between missions in Mass Effect would be great, where I have plenty of time to chat to my party and get to know them. I don't think I would call any bioware game I've played a great game, but they all do a really good job of immersing me and making me really get into this big dumb adventure I'm being sent on, and I'd like to play more RPGs that manage the same thing.
Neverwinter Nights 2 if you can handle a really convoluted first act. Also a quest where you just kill orcs for an hour.

It's all worth it when you get to the second act and have to play medieval Phoenix Wright, though.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I wasn't paying any attention to it at all, I just naturally assumed it was on Vita until I saw otherwise. A game like that seems like it goes a lot better on a portable console.

Hey, maybe they'll make a Vita port a year from now with all the DLC. :v:

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

FirstAidKite posted:

catering to their fetish or catering to their views on the rights of women.
Now you've got me curious. What goes on in these random RPG maker games?


Pornographic Memory posted:

Laxius Force is the game starring a badly drawn hero named "Random Pendragon"
And to be fair, there are worse names out there for RPG protags. :v:

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

FirstAidKite posted:

Edit 2: Also keep in mind that this guy was successful enough off of these games to make his own game company :(
My favorite part is that the in-game portraits are stolen from various Fire Emblem games.

For real though, how do you even make success off these things? I can't believe I'm saying this, but if you want porn games, there are presumably ones made by people with something vaguely resembling artistic talent.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

GulagDolls posted:

What hte gently caress does that even mean
He moves faster than the gun can shoot bullets.

I think.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Captain Walker posted:

Not that I don't appreciate a good translation patch, but I thought the PSP entries were a. Not as good as the first game
No, that was 2, 3 is awesome.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Well, Valkyria Chronicles 2 didn't sell that well, and the PSP was both on its way out and not that well entrenched in the US. Game quality isn't the sole deciding factor when it comes to whether or not a game is brought over - in fact, I'd suspect it has very little bearing.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Even without a dub, translating all that text takes time and money. Not to mention that using the japanese audio sometimes requires you to pay the original japanese voice actors again, depending on their contracts. They couldn't just wave their magic wand and have a translated VC3 for us.

You're free to think it was the wrong call to make, but they made the decision after analyzing their product and the market and determining that it wouldn't be a profitable venture for them. Considering they're a business, I think that's fair enough - and I say that as someone who wishes it was released here as well, along with about eighty other things that never got US releases.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Oh, no, I wasn't antagonized, sorry if I came across that way. I'm just pretty interested in the translation process in general and feel like a lot of people don't appreciate the effort that goes into it (not directed at you, just a general thing I've noticed). No worries, man.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

So anyone try this out yet? How playable is it? How much of the translation is missing? How noticeable are the missing bits? Is the translation any good? I'm really interested in this right now.
I haven't checked it out yet, but

quote:

Known bugs:
The tutorial text has some serious formatting problems. The formatting correction was lost in a harddrive crash, and we haven’t gone back and fixed them yet. Given that you’re probably all major fans of the series, we hope that you won’t need to read too much of that text to figure out what stuff does.

There’s some spillover text in some areas of the base camp. They were discovered rather late in editing because the game apparently handles items that aren’t purchased differently from items already purchased.

To-do list:
Fix the bugs mentioned above
Finish the mission objectives
Most E2 exclusive missions
DLC missions and translations
Encyclopedia and Newspaper
E2 means 'extra edition 2', and is a rerelease of the game with added missions (and is the version of the game the patch is for)

Ergo, what's missing is the bonus missions from E2, the DLC Missions, The Encyclopedia/Newspaper, some of the mission objectives, and some of the tutorial text and base camp stuff is hosed. Everything else seems to be translated.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Not Fate. Fayt. :goonsay:

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

It's... all bonus content? Iunno, I thought it was all fairly self-explanatory. The bonus missions and DLC missions are optional stuff I'm fairly certain, the main storyline is completely playable - the newspaper and encyclopedia have some world-building stuff, but nothing critical.

Whether or not it's worth using right away depends on how desperate you are to play VC3. If this is something you've been waiting for since the day it came out in Japan, go for it. If you just heard about the game now and are just somewhat interested, it might be better to wait.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

SpazmasterX posted:

Do you enjoy doing the same thing over and over and over again in battle forever and hoping you have the pieces you need to plop on the map so you can actually progress, all the meanwhile listening to people going "oh but the customization is SO WACKY and you can play DRESS-UP which is in no way a reason to look up a teenaged girl's skirt all day"?
You're weird, dude.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Maybe you should start playing games that don't suck.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

BoFIV is the only Breath of Fire plot to draw more than a resigned shrug from me.

And come on, literally the entire first half (probably more) of 2 is a giant fetch quest, and then the end of the game just sort of happens. Compared to that BoFIV is a masterpiece of pacing.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Captain Amerikkka posted:

Whoa whoa, what? You start off by waking up in some crazy alternate reality where your family has disappeared and you live in an orphanage, and all you have in life is your best buddy Bow. You slowly uncover the plot of an evil demonic cult (while trying to exonerate your fugitive best friend (while growing your badass dragon powers)) that has infiltrated nearly everything before traveling to an earthly hell to do battle with said demon. In the course of this adventure one of your friends turns into a giant loving bird and you rescue (or don't) your father who you believed was long dead. There's a tribe of motherfucking monkeys ripped straight from Planet of the Apes somewhere in there. There's so much kickass poo poo in that plot I can't even remember it all.
You spend half the game chasing around a batlady while your best friend tries and fails to make a house with a guy who may or may not want to cannibalize him, and you spend at least five hours doing incomprehensibly stupid poo poo with a frog.

Okay, it might not be literally five hours, but it sure felt like it.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I liked 3 well enough. Though it's the only one I've played recently, so I can't speak for how it compares to the others.

Though unlike 2, the translation isn't the best/worst thing ever.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jan 23, 2014

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