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Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
XI Definitive does add on time due to the extras, but what's also nice is it shortens the time through lots of QoL features such as faster battle speed, ability to buy mats for crafting while crafting, ability to call the horse from anywhere, etc.

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Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

hamburgers in pockets posted:

Hey it's me, the dumb rear end in a top hat who checked the OP of a 10 year old thread and couldn't find the answer to his question. After absolutely loving loving Yakuza 7 I've gotten the hankering to go back and play an actual Dragon Quest game. I've only played DQ1 and 8, and I know 11 is the new hotness, but I'm going back and forth between deciding on the Switch or PS4 versions. I know the new PS4 version is a port of the Switch one with all the new content, but does it run at a higher resolution or framerate? Or is the Switch version the preferred because of the convenience of being able to play how and wherever?

Now that the S edition is on all platforms, it's more about if you want to be able to play on the go or not. S on the Switch looked fine to me.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Len posted:

So what about when you see the credits again after you finish act 3? Because the only post game is the final bonus boss gauntlet in tockington

And the Timewyrm

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Can we stop being angry about video games in a thread about enjoying video games?

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
FYI you can get DQXIs for $30 off of Epic right now since they are giving out $10 coupons like candy.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Tabletops posted:

Also the equipment/item management sucks butt

Also I don’t understand why you can’t rest on the boat. It’s silly.

Also I got eriks metal dmg boomerang skill but it didn’t do more dmg to metal slimes, does it just guarantee a hit instead of the 70% missrate or whatever?

The Metal Slash / Metalicker skills just deal slightly more damage to metal enemies. If you're metal hunting, you want to use skills that cause crits since crits ignore defense.

Erik can learn a skill called Critical Claim later in the game and another character has skills that either miss or do a crit. Those are what you want to use for metal farming.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Bongo Bill posted:

In 8, I seem to recall it's best to focus on 1 or 2 skill trees rather than spreading them out, because you won't get enough for all of them and you can't respec. A regrettable flaw in what is otherwise a superb game - not that you need to optimize, but that you feel locked into the decision.

If you decide to get to level 99, all characters will get 350 skill points, so enough for 3 maxed trees and a half of another. And skill seeds only give 5 skill points each, so you'll have a ton of grinding to go in order to max all trees for every character.

11 is nicer in that you can almost max everything at max level, respec and most characters only need a few seeds to max everything instead of 30.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

MonsterEnvy posted:

Hey friends, who would you say was probably your favorite Dragon Quest Demon King.

Nimzo and Rhapthorne are thicc boys.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Oxxidation posted:

i hate dq11's protagonist and that's never been clearer than in the start of act 3. what a gormless, passive little mannequin of a "character" this guy is

So like pretty much every other DQ protag?

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
Honestly if you're just at getting Veronica in the team, just go get the S version for all of the extras and QoL features.

This is coming from someone who pretty much 100% *both* the original and S versions of DQ11.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Blockhouse posted:

when will the dragon quest land speedruns begin

Just don't overheat as that forfeits your run.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Mustached Demon posted:

Proud tradition of big bads in DQ games looking like goofy morons.

Rhapthorne is the goofiest one. Great, I get to fight an ugly hot air balloon.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

nuketulsa posted:

So I'm maybe 1/3 in to Act 2 and I only did one tinkerton quest.. I feel like I should do more. Are they worth it or they just set pieces?

I'm having a fantastic time btw. The first 10hrs were zzzzzzz JRPG poo poo but I haven't been able to put it down since then.

Tickington has some really good rewards, plus you have to complete it to unlock more bonus content. However there are parts that only unlock as you progress further into the story, so you can do it at your own pace.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

TurnipFritter posted:

Anyway Dragon Quest 8 trip report:
I'm learning that I've basically forgotten all of the dungeons in this game? With the towns, I can usually remember either layouts (like Orkutsk) or events/characters associated with it (like... most of them), but the dungeons are like... "there was a dungeon here? I mean, of course there was, because obvi there's gotta be an associated dungeon for this story beat, and yet I do not remember a single thing about it"

The 3DS version's new alchemy recipes and new sidequest rewards means there's a lot less gear buying - I think I've bought two pieces of equipment since before Dhoulmagus and I just got Red, and that was to use in Alchemy to get Angelo a Phantom Mask and Jessica and a Thinking Cap. Gotta do a world tour now and unlock all the Ultimate Key doors and see what I have to work with/see if I have enough stamps to get Red a free armor upgrade before I lay down anymore cash.

Gonna try and get Morrie tonight, maybe the RNG will be in my favor and the monster squad will target the Cure Slime first instead of wasting turns trying to slowly poke the Liquid Metal Slime to death.

Is there any consensus on Red builds? I'm thinking Fans for Fan Dango and Fan-Kazing, but I can see the appeal of Whips since Red actually has the Strength to back up the Gringham Whip. Morrie on the other hand seems straightforward: Claws and Passion.

Red = Knives, Fans and Rougery. Blade Cascade is amazing. It is 300%-400% damage to single targets for only 10mp.

Morrie: Passion, Claws and Clubs.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

lets hang out posted:

DQ11 has a hard mode, it's not insanely difficult but you might at least need to think about what you're doing in boss fights. They even had to nerf a few parts when they ported it to Switch and PC.

I'd say once you start combining them it makes the game rather difficult.

If you want some real punishment, put them all on.

No fleeing from battle, no shopping, no armor, reduced exp, super strong enemies, shypox/super shypox and party wipe if Hero goes down would make the game quite hard.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Detective No. 27 posted:

Buy a USB hub that has an SD card reader.

Agreed, they are $20 or less easily pretty much everywhere.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Bongo Bill posted:

Morrie and Red are very strong.

Yea, quite strong. I'd probably rank the characters as Hero > Red = Morrie > Jessica > Angelo > Yangus

Red gets a 300%-400% attack that only costs 10mp, a 12mp Kazing, a 0 MP 80% 3-4 random target attack and can easily get more gold and items for the party. Also her best armor besides MK Armor increases her max HP by 100 and her agi by a whopping 200.

Morrie gets a skill that boosts his Tension by 2 levels for 0mp, a skill that boosts an ally's Tension by 1-2 levels also 0mp, Kazing, a club version of Executioner, Rake N Break to remove Tension and buffs from enemies, 0mp Kasap, and a 200% 10mp full screen attack.

At the end of my last playthrough, Yangus was pretty much a Kerplunk bot and I'd switch Jessica for Angelo when I wanted more defensive options.

Kuros fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Feb 21, 2022

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
Erik, imo, drops off mid-game and then once you start finishing up skill trees he comes back in full force as a major boss killer.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

scourgeofthe7bees posted:

I have a question about XI for the Dragon Quest superfans! I have reached the floating castle in the sky thing and feel i may be approaching the end (of the regular game at least). What level should i be? Currently all characters between 50-51. Are any skills/party members essential for the final battle(s)?

I am old so i really don't want to die after a 30 minute battle with an end-game boss haha i ain't got time for that poo poo

You're at the Fortress of Fear? If so that is a good level to be at for that spot.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
The only thing I didn't beat in DQ11s is the Timewyrm because I have stronger monsters on and he kept wrecking my poo poo.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
With regards to DQ8, you get 350 skill points by the time you get to max level, which is enough to master 3.5 skill trees. There are some bosses & enemies that will drop seeds of skill and you'll find them through out the game.

My suggestions, spoilered:

Hero: Swords, Spears, Courage
Yangus: Axes, Scythes, Humanity
Jessica: Whips, Staff, Sex Appeal. Magic Burst in Fisticuffs is amazingly powerful as well, but the rest of the tree isn't great.
Angelo: Bow, Staff, Charisma
Red: Fan,Knives, Roguery
Morrie: Claws, Passion, Clubs or Boomerangs

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

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YggiDee posted:

That niche seems to be given to Red and her knives.

Yea, Red and Morrie are overtuned for sure. Hero/Jessica or Angelo/Red/Morrie will do work.

Kuros fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Dec 7, 2022

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

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icantfindaname posted:

Have I lost my drat mind if I am interested in playing DQ7 as someone who has only beaten like 2 JRPGs ever, both with emulator speedup? Not interested in bad PS2 3d and the earlier DQ games are too primitive, from the little bit I tried playing of them. I guess that leaves 7 by elimination, also somehow the PS1 hybrid 2d/3d graphics actually look OK to my eyes

Honestly 7 as your first DQ is a rough one.

Here are my suggestions instead as any of these would be good:

DQ 4 DS
DQ 5 DS
DQ 8 PS2 or 3DS. 3DS is more content but not as nice looking.
DQ11 Definitive Edition

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
I'm currently going through DQ7 3DS, 47.5 hours in. Thoughts... and spoilers ahead for a nearly 23 year old game.

Giving you a 5th character late into the story who may not be nearly as developed as the rest of the characters sucks.

Encounters being visible is pretty nice and you can still use Whistle to start a fight if you want.

The DLC tablet stones are pretty nice for getting good equipment, and being able to make your own stones with specific monsters is even better. You can make your own XP or Money farming tablets later in the game. Wanna create a XP gain tablet? Switch to Monster Mashers, get 3 Plat King Jewels to join your monster stables and create a tablet with all 3 of them.

Jobs are supposedly faster to level up, but will still take time to master. When I got my 5th character, she was way behind the rest of the party, so I used some Vocation and XP gain cheats to catch her up.

Highly suggested to play on the 3ds so you can do a quick save or just put the system to sleep.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
Forgot to mention about the DLC tablets, all of them have a vocation level of 99, so you can get Gooing Strong for example and just Whistle and grind vocations with enemies you can kill with one action.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
With the addition of skills given to melee classes, they got a lot more interesting.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Bongo Bill posted:

Leave 'em on AI control if all they can do is attack. Makes things go much faster.

The AI control in DQ7 3ds is actually pretty solid. It typically knows if an enemy will weak to snooze or other status effects that cause them to lose a turn. It can also anticipate someone dying and queue up a Kazing on the same turn. It is pretty much DQ11 style combat where it's not strictly choose your actions for a round and then it plays out but you don't get to control said actions directly.

Kuros fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Mar 8, 2023

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
Nobody loves Moleman Baramos.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
Okay, Dragon Quest 7 3DS, I'm at the end game when you get access to the final prizes in the casino.

I can't be bothered with mashing the A button on the slot machines until my fingers fall off so here's what I did:

I have a modded 3ds to start. I installed NTR CFW and Input Redirection files on the 3DS and on my computer. I'm running the Input Redirection on my computer now with an 8BitDo SN30 Pro+ and it's communicating with the 3DS via wifi. After putting the SN30 into XInput Mode, I remapped my buttons, went into the Buccanham 100 token slots, enabled Turbo mode for button A, put in a full amount of tokens and now I have one controller holding down the SN30 A button to spin the reels while I type this up.

Gimme my Prism Peacock hearts, Metal King Armors and Flails!

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

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Ofecks posted:

I seem to recall getting all my casino tokens in PS1 DQ7 via the panel-flip game. I don't remember what it's called.

So in the 3DS version the slots have a guaranteed payout over time?

No, but you can save scum the tokens. Save, go and play and if you get good outcomes, go back and save. Otherwise close the game and reopen and try again.

Edit: up to 874k tokens now. Wanting to get to 1.4mil to get what I want. I'm also ignoring Maribel in this case as in the 3ds version there are some game breaking bugs if you bring her along to some story events.

Kuros fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Mar 12, 2023

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

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Commander Keene posted:

FWIW those are only if you skip certain optional events that you'd normally see while she was out of the party and then bring her back to those events later. I played using her in the 3DS version and was just fine.

True, but I'd rather not even tempt fate. And I also don't want to have to switch people in and out for vocation grinding.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

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Framboise posted:

Considering access to both, which version of DQ7 is the one to play? I've heard a lot of mixed opinions and considering how long the game is I'm unlikely to play through both in any sort of succession.

3ds is my vote. The ability to quick save and put the game down just about anywhere is nice.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

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take boat posted:

"My mission is to kill the Dragonlord. That's all I know."

Yes, we need some Toriyama inspired goober to yell "I DONT GIVE A gently caress WHO YOU ARE!" and fling himself at the Dragonlord right in the middle of DL's "Join me!" speech. I love it.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
DQ8 3ds: If you plan on getting to level 99 for post game stuff you will get 350 skill points naturally. You can add in a bit more for seeds of skill and super seeds of skill (3ds only). The 3ds version is more generous with the seeds as well.

Suggestions for allocation:

Spoilers ahead.



Hero:

Swords: 100
Spears: 100
Boomerang: 0
Fists: 11
Courage: 100

This puts you at 311 so you have 39 left over without seeds. If you want to put the rest into Boomerangs for fodder, you'll need 3 seeds to get to Super Throw which is pretty useful. Lightning Thrust is important for level grinding, so it's a must.


Yangus:

Axes: 100
Clubs: 0
Scythes: 100
Fists: 0
Humanity: 82

This puts you only at 282, so plenty of points to go from there. Axes are his beat weapon and you want Executioner for metal farming. Scythes help with stealing things like seeds. Yangus does get outclassed by the spoiler characters later on, but Kerplunk from 82 Humanity is great as a last resort. Also having him available for out of battle healing is nice.


Jessica:

Knives: 0
Whips: 100
Staves: 100
Fists: 100 or 50
Appeal: 100 or 50

Staves allow her to regen MP on higher levels and give access to important spells. Whips are good weapons against groups. I would suggest maybe giving her a bulk of the seeds of skill and maxing her MP because Magic Burst is an amazing ability that scales based on her current MP total and can be used with Tension.


Angelo:

Swords: 82
Bows: 100
Staves: 100
Fists: 0
Charisma: 52

You'll have a few points left over but most of Angelo's best skills are bows and staves. His sword skills are okay at best and he sadly learns Defending Champion way to late in fists.


Spoiler characters:

Red:

Fans: 82
Whips: 80
Knives: 100
Fists: 7
Rougery: 81

Dance of Life from Fans is her version of Kazing, give her one seed to get Whips up to Twin Tan. The extra HP and skills from Rougery are nice. Blade Cascade from 100 Knives is absolutely busted. Properly setup you can one shot end game bosses with Blade Cascade.


Morrie:

Claws: 100
Clubs: 93
Boomerang: 66
Fists: 0
Passion: 88

This leaves you with 3 points left. Rake N Break is great against bosses. He can kill metals with his clubs skills, but his Passion skills are amazing. Intensso raises an ally's tension by 1-2 levels and GRANDE GUSTO raises his own by 2 levels, plus he gets Oomph and Kazing in Passion.

Kuros fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Apr 10, 2023

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Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

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Ofecks posted:

Aren't the little individual worlds the main focus? I honestly do not remember anything about a "big story", who the archvillain was, or why they were engaging in villainy. Was it related to protag's dad going out fishing at the start?

I do remember killing God, though. I'm not sure exactly why he was there, but he made a fine optional superboss.

He's all "Well you got everything fixed so you really don't need me, if you want to test your abilities though we can fight." He does give you parts of the second optional dungeon if you beat him in less than 20 turns a few times.

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