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Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Has there been any news on the new Eisenhorn book? Its been.....a while. I feel like I'm waiting for Martin to release the new Game of Thrones at this point. Good lord.


(not as bad as the wait for Steakly's Armor 2. Jk thats never coming)

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Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

CaptainAttitude posted:

Well, yeah. Steakley died a couple years ago.

:catstare:

Oh.....well than. Woopsy

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Yeah, the height of mankind's power is roughly the year 20,000, at which point psykers appeared and everything got all hosed up. Anyway, can we please keep fluff discussion related to specific BL books? I don't think this is really the thread for people's inane theories on which Manhattan Project scientist was secretly the Emperor.

I really enjoy the fluff discussions here, and because you said we should check out the TG thread I did. I waded through the first 10 pages and didn't any real discussion that didn't concern point armies and the actual table top game itself. I have never played warhammer (though I'm interested), but I'm a huge fan of the universe, books and fluff. I really hope you allow fluff discussions to blossom here since the TG thread seems lacking.


(Alexander the Great was the God-Emperor)

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I'm about 3/4ths of the way through Pariah and I'm a bit disappointed. It's shorter than I'd expected and the text is rather large. I liked the writing style, but I guess I came into this hoping for something thematically similar to Eisenhorn. There is a distinct lack of Ravenor and Eisenhorn through this story so far, and, lets be honest, I got this book because I love those characters. I've found myself tempted to leaf through the last 4th of the book just to see if ANY character I know will show up. I'm honestly just really disappointed so far. I'll type up a legitimate review of the book after I finish reading it. Perhaps I expected it to be something it never was meant to be....but I'm just really disappointed.

Waroduce fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Oct 24, 2012

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

VanSandman posted:

Yeah I'm actually quite surprised you didn't recognize that characters appearance when it happened. It was completely obvious to me.

I did notice it, but it didn't really do anything for me. Oh she runs into Ravenor, touches the chair, and than runs through some small little alley he can't follow. That doesn't do anything for me. It was disappointing. I'm going to finish reading it later tonight or tomorrow, I just can't shake this feeling of disappointment. I really hope he doesn't messily whip out every character from the past books in the last 30/40 pages in order to attempt to salvage this. It would make a good stand alone story, but it's not Ravenor vs Eisenhorn. poo poo, neither of these guys is more than a cameo after thought for 75% of the book.


I understand its setting up for the next book, but he didn't need to dedicate a whole novel I've been waiting a few years for to setting up the reincarnation of Bequin. He could have just as effectively set up the character in a more compact shorter way and than gotten onto what we, or maybe just I, want to see. Ravenor, Eisenhorn, Cherubael, the rest of the crew we know and love.


The next book is 2014....I probably won't be dropping $25 on a hard cover version of it the day it comes out.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Trast posted:

Be patient. It's setting up things and gets pretty awesome.

To be honest, he's probably going to be disappointed just like I and several other posters were once he hits the meat of the text. I, as well as numerous others, went in expecting Ravenor and Eisenhorn, and didn't get either.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Do we have any time table on when the Heresy book will start talking about the Siege of Terra, the naval battles around Luna and all that good stuff? I do love reading all these books, but I can't wait for the good stuff at the end.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I read alot of Warhammer and Ive never heard of Vulcan. I think its because ive avoided the Salamander book on the threads recommendations. Who is he and why is he significant? Feel free to drop all the spoilers you'd like.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I got Soul Hunter due to this thread and its sooooo fuckin good. Beautifully written and paced, great characters and an epic sense of scale.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
If a primarch came back, I think his biggest issue with the Imperium would be the whole cult of the God-Emperor thing. He was more than human, but never divine.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
If for some reason, someone in this thread hasn't seen this you need to click it
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Bjorn_the_Fell_Handed

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I have a long flight coming up. I wanted to pick up a few Horus Heresy books I haven't read. Should I avoid any of : Galaxy in Flames, Descent of Angels, The First Heretic, Thousand Sons, or Fear to Tread?

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Is there any literature that deals specifically with the Unification Wars or the Crusades directly? I really enjoyed the Murder planet with the arachnoid xenos.

I feel like those are huge untapped areas they could use. Someone posted that they should have done some Great Crusade novels first, and I thought that really smart. Give us a before and after picture.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

VanSandman posted:

Yeah, the warp being what it is, there has to be benign and occasionally helpful beings over there. They are, however, vastly out powered by the big 4 nasty bastards.

Didn't Magnus encounter a friendly warp entity that gave him the strength to break through the big E's protective wards and stuff? I also remember a few pages back people discussing how each warp entity also had its opposite, instead of pestilence and sickness, there's a warp entity for health and well being as well.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
A friend of mine was in my car and saw a Horus Heresy book that I had. He read the boilerplate intro before the cast list and asked for a recommendation. I explained the setting of the Heresy and he expressed interest in the primarchs. I also don't think he's the type to enjoy Eisenhorn. I need something a little more bolter-porny with trappings of epicness. I have the first two Heresy books, Thousand Sun, Grey Knights Omnibus, Space Wolf omnibus, Know No Fear and Soul Hunter (whatever the first Night Lords is) not packed away. He's got no background in 40k. What would ya'll recommend?

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Is there any literature on the Unification Wars and Thunder Warriors? Or is it all just from random pieces of fluff? Those two topics have always interested me, and I've heard the Thunder Warriors were even bigger and nastier than Space Marines.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Neurosis posted:

Isn't there some stupid story with a Thunder Warrior absolutely stomping a custodies or something like that?

My understanding was Thunder Warrior > Custode > Space Marine by a significant margin.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Time in the warp or the eye is relative, so there are Space Marines and other people who feel they just witnessed the defeate of Horus hours or days ago.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I'd probably put Angron over everyone followed closley by the Lion, the Angel, and Russ in no particular order.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I'm really excited to see the Heresy draw closer to Terra. Master of Mankind is going to be great, but I hope Abnett or ADB are in charge of the siege itself. I'd really enjoy seeing a space navy book about Luna being destroyed. Theres so much they can do and I cant wait to see how they tackle it.


A goon a few pages ago talked about how awesome some Great Crusade novels would be, and I gotta echo that. It would have served to set up the Primarchs and their fall in a beautiful way. I hope GW considers something like that in the future if they won't move the universe foward.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I know its fantasy but is Gortex and Felix worth the read?

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
If the emperor dies, he may just reincarnate as well. He is a perpetual, or is that just John G and people talking?

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

UberJumper posted:

Is Fear to Tread readable? Its James Swallow and i am worried :v:

I liked it, and the end of the book has some really cool scenes. Its not terrible, but its not ADB.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

mllaneza posted:

I have decided that Nemesis would be much better received if the target had been Curze. Instead of existing only to show off all the Assassin temples it would be a case of throwing one of everything at a primarch and hoping one gets through.

A beautiful idea
edit: that ASOIAF crossover fan fic is really fuckin good btw yall should read it

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Of Galaxy in Flames, Battle for the Abyss, Fulgrim, The Primarchs, Age of Darkness, and Vulkan Lives which 2 should I read next? I feel like I've been through all the "good" novels, and I'm just waiting now. :/

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Lead Psychiatry posted:

Know I'm late to the Lion/Luther discussion but one thing that wasn't mentioned is the similarity between Lion'El sending Luther back to Caliban and Horus sending Fulgrim to overlook the Istvaan V defenses. Both Fulgrim and and Luther took it as an insult. But where Luther just quietly accepted, Fulgrim threw a bitchfit and had it explained why he was chosen.

what book is this? also what book contains the most about Istvaan? both the drawing together and the slaughter on the planet. do i spoiler this? ?

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I ran across a pretty great quote. The Lion is in the midst of his crusade against the beasts on Caliban, and he's having a chat with Z, and says


"The Lion" posted:

‘Then you are perceptive, Zahariel,’ said the Lion. ‘There is something wrong with the beasts. I don’t know what it is, but they are not just some other race of beasts like horses, foxes or humans, they are aberrations, twisted mistakes wrought from some early form that has not yet had the good grace to die out on its own. Can you imagine what it must be like to be so singular a creature? To go through life knowing, even on some animal, instinctual level that you are alone and that there will never be more of you. Think how maddening that must be. The beasts were not just driven by hunger, they were insane, driven to madness by their very uniqueness. Trust me, Zahariel, we are doing them a favour by destroying them all.’

and it just struck me that the same could be said of the Primarchs. I remember reading somewhere in a traitor legion novel how they were all flawed beings and everyone's dead and forgotten now, and what did it matter anyway? I just thought it was a very poignant quote.


Cream_Filling posted:

Top tier for BL books, not too bad even by grown-up standards.
I went in expecting Eisenhorn 2.0 (or at least some focus on the characters we know and love) and was extremely disappointed. I remember several other goons came out of the wood work with the same feelings, however the thread by and large loved it. I don't think you shouldn't read it, but you should temper your expectations and possibly wait until the second one is out so you can blow through it and get on with the trilogy.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

EyeRChris posted:

Magnus breaks his big rule in an effort to save his father and accidentally breaks his science fair project. Better send the Empire's Executioners to bring them in. No...telling Magnus to teleport his dumb rear end to Terra and sit on the throne he broke as penance would be too easy. Magnus would have accepted it and the sons would learn that use of their craft has repercussions.

I was under the impression the Golden Throne was either an entrance to, or humanitys equivalent of, the webway? A way to travel the stars without the warp. When Magnus broke through he allowed the warp into the sealed environment, which held all of the human races greatest minds who had been working on this project for E, killing all of them. Which does a bit to explain why there's so much stagnation and regression technology wise post-heresy. Imagine if everyone at CERN, or every leading physics/mathematics/engineering expert just up'd and died. By punching through, he created in essence, another potential Eye. The warp is howling just on the other side of the Golden Throne, waiting for a momentary flicker to burst into reality. Plus, Magnus had been told (I forget by who) that the emperors endgame for him was to sit on the throne forever as a big battery.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

JerryLee posted:

So the emperor in one of his personas was behind that era too? I honestly thought pretty much everything about that era was speculation.

The Emporer has been quitly guiding humanity throughout its history, but only stepped to the forefront for Unification.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Can someone post me the Game of Thrones cross over? I was like halfway through and I can't find it now :/

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Lead Psychiatry posted:

Was having trouble loading it for some reason so dunno if it's on mine or the links end. But here ya go.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw4Dk9xE9da9Mk9Gd2FGQllGUEE/edit

thanks bro

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Vanadium posted:

Am I going to hate myself if I read Pariah before Ravenor?

Seriously, don't do this.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I was looking for any not poo poo WH40k book in the bookstore yesterday, just to have something to read, and I got ADB's Helsreach. I'm only a third of the way through, but its surprisingly good, and I'm eeally getting in to it.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Im planning on finishing Helsreach this week, and with the lack of new Heresy book, can anyone give me some recommendations on similarly good but relatively unknown books?
I liked helsreach because it was well written, had a unique main character and wasn't just bolter porn. plus the intersped titan and guard stuff was good. Any recommendations? Preferably no central focus on imperial guard stuff, Im like the only person who isn't a fan of Gaunts Ghosts. Im a sucker for the inquisition and high level space marines.

I've been through Soul Drinkers, Wolves, Grey Knights omnibuses,most of the Heresy, Night Lords, the Inquisition series as well as Abnetts Eisenhorn books/spinoffs.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Wrath of Iron
Legion of the Damned
Ahriman: Exile
Atlas Infernal

Thank you kindly

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

jng2058 posted:

My question about the HH books is how much is skippable? Do you have to choke down the crap books to understand what happens in the good ones?

Not at all, you can go to the Lexicanum to fill in anything you want to know about without having to read a whole book.

As far as HH goes, I'd say do 1-3, 12, 14, 15, 19, 24 and 27. That's Thousand Sons, The First Heretic, Propsero Burns, Know No Fear, Betrayer, and Unremembered Empire. I think these are all well written, with great stories that are central to the plot. I would personally include Fulgrim, for a little more of the early heresy, but some parts drag a bit. I would also recommend reading the two books about The Lion, and Fear To Tread, immediately before or after Unremembered Empire. It would add alot to the characterization of some major players in the novel.

My ideal read through would be something like 1,2,3,5,12,14,15,19,24,6,21,11,27.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Also, it used to be said that the Emperor was the reincarnation of all of Earths shamans who committed group ritual suicide to give him form. They did this bc the warp was becoming stronger and more turbulent, preventing the souls of shaman who died from reincarnating.

I'm pretty sure its not canon anymore though.

Is there any fluff or books/literature on the unification wars? or with Thunder Warriors?

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

drgnvale posted:

So uh, thanks for recommending Betrayer. The first 300 pages were pretty good, as far as 40k fiction goes, but holy poo poo the last 4th of the book was great.

Now I need to go re-read the last 5 or 6 pages to mouse over all of those spoilers...

Read the Thousand Sun/ Prospero Burns next. If you want to read something by the same author The First Heretic.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I've been reading some one shot campaign books like Helsreach and Legion of the Damned since there isn't any heresy stuff coming out I'm willing to buy (gently caress $110 for a comic book), and one thing I've noticed in Legion is that the author takes time to write a whole speech given by a Space Marine about how the Emperor was more than a man, never a god, but was Father to all mankind and doing his best and mortals make him god because they need more to hold onto and they cant accept the universe is endless war and blood.

Like three pages later, and throughout the rest of the novel though, the Astartes refers to the Emperor as God-Emperor. :catholic:

Good book though, Helsreach I think was better but also written by ADB.

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Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Saith posted:

I'm listening to the Know No Fear audiobook and it sounds like a documentary. I... Kinda like it. :allears:

Abnett really hit the nail on the head with that writing style. It was loving amazing how consistent he was with it, and the feel it lends to the story.

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