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Ender.uNF posted:Totally incorrect actually. Nullification would be if the Feds said everyone had to smoke weed and Colorado made it illegal to do so... Or if they tried to arrest any DEA agent enforcing federal law. This is all true, but, as mentioned earlier in the thread, the Fed does have the ability to make life extremely unpleasant for states that buck the trend in the form of withholding all sorts of Federal subsidies and grants. Money upon which most every state dearly depends. So yes, the Fed could very well play hardball to try and bring Colorado back into line.
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The Warszawa posted:The infrastructure I'm talking about isn't "mules and tunnels," it's land, workers, and the prevention of worker organizing through violence. Do you know anything about cartels? So what's your point? That we should reconsider ending prohibition because you feel, against all reason, that ~evil Monsanto~ and the ~evil Cartels~ will team up and do evil things together? Come the gently caress on. People have spent the last page repeatedly telling you exactly why something like that would never happen, give it up.
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Aug 19, 2013 22:42
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Of course the cartels won't disappear if we legalize weed. They'll just stop dealing with it because it won't be worth the time. Legalize all drugs and they'll stop dealing with those because, again, it won't be worth the time. They'll never just up and disappear, obviously. We still have organized crime here in the US, what do they deal in? Human trafficking, low level crime, extortion, etc. Come on, don't be willfully dense. Nobody sane argues that legalizing pot is going to eliminate crime.
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Aug 19, 2013 23:11
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The Warszawa posted:I agree, and I think that we can mitigate that damage in the short term and the long term by instituting a ban on importing and selling conflict weed in the United States alongside legalization. Ending prohibition isn't even a twinkle in Congress' eye and won't be for many years, so are you seriously freaking out about the omission of a conflict weed clause in legislation that won't exist for another decade? e: I guarantee you that, inshallah, if/when prohibition ending legislation begins to be taken up in Congress your concerns will be addressed. Look at the repeal of Alcohol prohibition and the myriad of laws, restrictions, and requirements that came along with it. Congress is not going to go "Welp, its legal now, have at it!" How are u fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Aug 19, 2013 |
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Kid Gloves posted:I kind of wonder if the cartels would even be interested in weed if they couldn't get black market prices for it. I guess that depends on a ton of factors at all levels of legalization, but since weed would be so cheap were it legal everywhere it might not even make financial sense for the cartels to continue to deal in it when they can make much more money on the still-illegal drugs in which they deal. That is exactly what will happen, and history and simple economics bear this out.
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furiouskoala posted:Looks like the feds are going to let dispensaries use banks. This is a big step in the right direction. Holy poo poo, this is a big deal.
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The aides sitting behind the congresscritters are the best. You just know they smoke any time they get the chance and you can see it in their reactions.
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The merits of pot vending machines seems like an argument well worth having!
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Humphry posted:I think the negative effects outweigh the medical benefits so I am glad it's an illegal class B drug here in the UK. About 8 months ago I could smell cannabis coming from my neighbours house, he wasn't smoking it he was growing cannabis illegally. His windows where blacked out, I could see condensation on the windows and hear a whirring sound through the walls. He had turned his house into a cannabis farm, well I phoned the police because they dangerously hack the electrical meter for free electricity and it's a fire hazard. And since his house is adjoined to mine then my home is at risk. A few weeks later the he got raided by the police and he is now sitting in prison. The stuff is evil, I wish the penalties where harsher here inline with class A drugs like cocaine or heroin. You registered yesterday just to post this, eh?
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Oct 26, 2014 17:25
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Humphry posted:If they legalize a medicine made from the plants then I am all for it. Not smoking yourself stupid because you wanna get high or feel the effects even if it's pain relief. Getting high is actually super fun 
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Isn't the Florida proposition watered down low-grade medical garbage anyway? Like they'd only allow specific strains that won't get you high?
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Tab8715 posted:I'm confused, what does Adelson have to gain by going against marijuana in Florida? Why would a Casino magnate care about it so much? He wanted Rick Scott re-elected so that when Scott expands gambling in Florida Sheldon will get his cut of it.
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Tab8715 posted:And he's against marijuana because...? He was against it in Florida because Democrats tend to vote for legalization and he wanted the Republican to win.
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Powercrazy posted:Hmm, you mean like how it is RIGHT NOW. Quit being a baby about it. Regulation is a fantastic approach in that it allows wishy-washy moms to feel better about legalization, full stop. Who cares really what the regulations are as long as its legal. You'll still be able to get your weed.
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Regulation is coming to DC, it just has to be passed by the city council instead of by referendum.
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Oh neat Apthous brought his awful baby trolling to this thread too  e: Doesn't Obama need to sign off on a congressional order to gently caress with or stop DC's referendum? ^^^^
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Nov 7, 2014 20:58
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e_angst posted:The difference is that illegal dealers can't form powerful lobbying groups to make sure they can keep doing all those things. (And no, I don't think illegal dealers market to minors, because I don't think they have a marketing budget. Big Weed will definitely have a marketing budget.) At the end of the day, should "Big Weed" ever come into existence, there's the simple fact that what Big Weed is trying to sell you is about a million times less dangerous and more healthy than either Big Tobacco or Big Booze. I'm not concerned about "Big Weed."
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Powercrazy posted:I'll never understand why elected officials are fanatical about drug laws. Why do they care? Hand-wringing Moms and Dads, Christians. e: who vote.
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roymorrison posted:I'm genuinely curious, what happens when an anti marijuana politician is questioned about alcohol use? Does this ever happen? Like... I guess what I'm asking is do politicians in 2015 actually believe marijuana is bad for you or is it just dumb politics. They just say "two wrongs don't make a right" and leave it at that. Yes, alcohol is bad but pot is even worse!
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Jan 20, 2015 01:18
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Less than three hours until DC is legal! 
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Can't say I disagree with the people who don't want giant smoke-ins. Seems like that would be a really great way to throw the issue in the face of congresscritters who otherwise may be ambivalent about it. Much better to ease the restrictions a year or so from now, when you can point to stats showing fewer people being needlessly harassed by police and show that the sky hasn't fallen. Plus that's more time for Washington and Colorado's experiments to bear fruit. For now I'm just pretty happy that it's decriminalized, and hoping that some of that sweet district dank may find its way across the Potomac to us poor souls living in NoVA.
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Yeah, DC is just not the type of town where a big rear end smoke-in will do anything other than antagonize everyone. e: if anything they should have organized a great big snow fort / snow man / sledding smoke-out today, I bet that would go over a lot better than something on 4/20 considering nobody is doing anything serious in DC today anyway. How are u fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Hey, we took care of the decrim and legalized possession and growing. I don't think that a desire to be cautious moving forward from here is at all in the same realm as "get a loving haricut, hippie"  I mean DC is home to the political class that are some of the stuffiest, most egocentric, meddlesome, and moralizing hypocrites in the entire nation. Not only that, but they are explicitly able to gently caress with DC's governance to a degree that can not be found anywhere else in the country. They're also vindictive and petty and take offense easily. Smoke-outs around the capitol / mall / white house / etc are just going to piss em off and I don't see anything wrong with acknowledging that. I'd hate to see something stupid happen that causes congress to get up in our poo poo and kick us down for another four or five years.
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Wow that's bizarre. How does a initiative like that even come about? "Let's legalize weed, but only I and my friends will be allowed to sell it to you!"
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I mean yeah I get it, but it seems so bald-faced its hard to imagine the public going along with it.
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If Ohio does it that who really cares? Assuming they do, and that it goes through, then they'll just have a stupid state cartel and within 10 or so years most neighboring states will be legal and it'l collapse upon itself. It's certainly not a good idea but I suppose if it ends criminalization it'll be a plus in the short term.
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What is it that causes you to regret voting for legalization?
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Pappyland posted:Countdown to What a dumb kid. He'd probably never done marijuana before and was too skeeved to smoke it. Serves him right for carrying a gun while doing drugs too. e: I would never, ever want access to a gun while doing any drug, even alcohol. How are u fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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Elotana posted:Also, this puts CO on a pace for about two deaths a year directly attributable to legal pot. My god...it's an epidemic. Mothers, hide your children! ^^^^^ e: Just picked up a bunch of edibles from Washington and there are warning labels -all- over them saying that it takes anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours for the effects to kick in, and be careful about overdosing. The labels are there, but do you expect your average college age male to give a flying gently caress?
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To be fair if a friend of mine was having a crazy freak out bad trip and I knew he had a gun on him I'd think twice about trying to disarm him. I don't want to get shot. But i'm not stupid enough to hang out with (much less drink or smoke with) people who carry guns to begin with so 
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In making transporting drugs easier news:quote:The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 on Tuesday that the Constitution forbids police from holding a suspect without probable cause, even for fewer than 10 extra minutes. http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/239513-court-rules-cops-cant-hold-suspects-to-wait-for-dog Well that's pretty cool!
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Well they said that even holding people for 10 extra minutes was unreasonable, so there's a number.
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ZenVulgarity posted:When the gently caress is marijuana not going to be schedule 1 We might be able to start having that conversation in 2017.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:That's insane. I have Crohn's and a good Indica strain has been the only thing keeping me out of the ER on more than one occasion, and is probably why I don't need any other meds for it now, so that hits a little too close to home (though I live in CO, thank god!). That poor kid is going to be blaming himself for the rest of his life. Conservatives are evil, evil people.
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Xandu posted:I find this more concerning Yeah. They may as well call the proposal It's Good to be White: The Law. Atrocious.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Nope, medical only, and almost exclusively legit medical i.e. you got fuckin' cancer or something. Washington, District of Columbia, motherfucker.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Speaking of which: Pennsylvanians, get off your asses, this is just looking sad. Pennsylvania is one of those few states with no legal/decrim cannabis of any sort on the state level, putting y'all in such company as Iowa, Kansas, and American Samoa. The good news is that Pennsylvania still has a shot at getting full MMJ passed this year, and they're right in the middle of campaigning to get it through. Have you ever tried to buy alcohol in Pennsylvania? They will be the very last state on the East Coast to legalize anything regarding weed. They are a state full of slovenly and dumb-bad people.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:This was some issue in DC's cannabis campaign: we had huge support from some African Americans because of relatively popular usage (I'd bet DC's widespread government employment proportionally lowers usage rates for the white middle class) and widespread accurate perception of biases police enforcement. However, there was some strong opposition from some African American leaders since they considered drug use and the drug trade to be a scourge on the community. We ended up (not unexpectedly) doing weaker in Wards 7 and 8 (Anacostia) than in more mixed/gentrifying mid-town neighborhoods, though the only tiny sliver of area that didn't get over 50% support was a wealthy enclave area deep in the whitest part of the District. Georgetown is poo poo and must be destroyed, what a worthless neighborhood. Any news on a buying / selling framework for DC? Are they still thinking about performing some legal judo to do it, or just hoping that Congress eventually gives in and allows it? I really want to be able to cross the river and buy some dang pot.
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GlyphGryph posted:What's really disappointing me is that there still doesn't seem to be any stomach or interest in broader drug reform. Talking to pro-legalization people, the argument is almost always "pot should be an exception because I like pot, everything else should stay the same" which is... disappointing, to say the least. One step at a time, man. Legal weed is already changing people's broader opinions. It is the hole in the dike.
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