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luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

darkpriest posted:

The female performers have more ways to earn income than ever before. If you are popular, you perform in scenes, but then can spawn that off into doing Webcam shows. The girls simply promote their upcoming shows via Twitter. Many now have their own websites and that top tier can do well with their own sites. They can do endorsements for sex toys, for example Fleshlight can bring a girl fairly steady income just from that one product. They can feature dance and some even have Amazon wish lists where fans buy them presents off their wish lists and send it to them.

It's interesting that you bring this up as there are a lot more pornstars doing webcam shows than I think people realise. Even pornstars who consider themselves to be "out of porn". I don't know how much a top pornstar with a large following makes per scene but the earning potential for a day on cam if you have a large following can easily be 300$/day (that's my absolute lowest projection of their earnings) and it's in their own home etc. However, I think that the novelty wears off pretty quickly as buying webcam shows can be expensive (pornstars often charge way more than amateur models) and what people like about webcam shows is that they're personalized. When you have a huge following it's hard to really care about individual customers - especially if they have a lot.

There are a few studios that work with certain camsites that get promotion from the site. I think that they pay their performers a set amount and take the hit if they don't break even which is why they don't often have big names (or rarely do). The buy-ins for these shows are often higher than most guys are willing to pay (considering the culture of the sites now) and I rarely see the shows making their minimum goal (though they start anyway). I'm certain that these shows are getting filmed and then sold later on the studio's website, which is maybe why they consider them worthwhile? I don't know if you know anything about that but I would be interested to know.

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luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

My attitude is "do what you can do and know what you can do". I'm not saying that you aren't abused if you feel abused but it's called "Facial Abuse", she knew the pay, she saw examples of what she was going to do...

Some women in the industry like Jayda Diamonde can do things like extreme anal. Someone who cannot do anal or has never done extreme anal shouldn't sign up for an extreme anal or anal abuse scene - especially if they have an example of the work.

I do think it's hosed up that more attention was not paid to her and her comfort but the studio and talent were probably used to people knowing what was going to happen and who are able to handle (or willing to handle) the facial abuse scene that they signed up for.

This is a really basic explanation of my feelings but hopefully you can understand that work and performance and final product are a ~thing~ and process in this industry. People who cannot do certain jobs shouldn't sign up for those jobs. People who do a job and are shocked at how hard on them it is should not do those jobs again.

Again, I am not excusing people being insensitive or doing hosed up things. It's just important to remember that generally people choose to do jobs that they can physically and mentally handle - this industry being no different.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

MettleRamiel posted:

I've heard of a few ways. One is like the previous poster said, just plain urinating. Sometimes, the actress will drink a ton of water before the scene so it doesn't look to be urine.

Another way is to just use a syringe to just inject some fluid, probably water and then push it out. These ones are obvious as there will be a clearly noticeable camera cut and then BOOM! she's squirting.

Um. This doesn't really make any sense if you understand female anatomy. Female ejaculation comes out of the same hole as pee does. I think you might be mixing up creampies and squirting as I don't think that injecting liquid into your urethra is preferred to just peeing (which is what 95% of squirting porn is). I have actually never heard of that.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

MettleRamiel posted:

They inject it into the vagina. Watch some of Porno Dan's scenes and you will see exactly what I mean. There is a hard cut to the girl's face for a few seconds (while she suddenly stops moving) and then a quick pan back down where we male talent pulls out and she "squirts."

Yes, I understand what you are explaining - my point still stands. Female ejaculate does not leave the body through the vaginal opening but from the urethra. This is a technicality that doesn't need any more discussion. Squirting is so faked but men seem to have some understanding of it now and I guess pissing all over everything is more accepted now :confused: Either way, squirting doesn't really happen "on command" like porn makes it seem.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
I actually believe Cytheria to be someone who has great control of herself and is capable of squirting. A thing that should be noticed about her is that it's never really "on command" and I honestly don't think that anyone would be able to replicate receiving pleasure while peeing the way that she is able to while orgasming. Even most of the girls that I know who do "squirt" (pee) only do a little bit at strategic times - not gushing everywhere a bunch of times.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
People who have fetishes often have very specific fetishes. Yes, they can get off watching porn where their specific ~*~ultimate fetish~*~ isn't there but the goldmine shot? That's what they're looking for. It's not unusual for people who have smoking fetishes to want to watch someone smoke a certain brand (and they want you smoking real cigarettes because part of the fetish is killing the smoker, imo), or foot fetish guys to want your nails to be a specific colour... and that's pretty minor on the "special request-o-meter".

Fetish dudes are always willing to pay because it's hard for them to find exactly what they are looking for. Again, I go back to "cake farts" which I am almost certain was a custom clip made for someone before it went viral.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

echinopsis posted:

also shaving pubes... any tips? shaving is easy, preventing ingrowns etc is not...

Shave with the grain, towel off, apply unscented gel deodorant. If you get an ingrown hair, exfoliate. If you must take it out yourself use a sewing needle.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

sonatinas posted:

Can you elaborate on this? Are there sales charts to look up to see what is doing best commercially?

You can talk to camgirls to find out what is popular in the industry at any given time. IME, right now there's a lot more focus on fetish (femdom) and taboo (something that when they're not masturbating they don't care for but during a porn watching session they are).

I think that people are becoming more comfortable with indulging in things that are a bit risqué and after seeing so much "regular" porn and getting kinda "desensitized" to it they need to push deeper in order to get the same stimulation as they did originally. If you consider that, it makes sense.

That's my theory based on what men who are "totally straight otherwise" but want to do shows where they are fantasizing about getting hosed in the rear end tell me. I'm willing to answer more questions about this in the thread that I made, if anyone is interested.

Avasculous posted:

I'd be interested in seeing elaboration too, but its notable that he said "commercially successful", not better selling.

My guess is that the market for straight porn is way, way huger, but also way more saturated with competition. So category-wise, straight porn probably outsells the hell out of gay/trans, but individual gay/trans productions are more likely to turn a profit than straight ones.

To expand and add that quote: I think you're on point with the second part. I think that people who are looking for something really specific realize that they might have to pay for their specific fetish once they have seen all the pirated stuff on tube sites.

luscious fucked around with this message at 01:08 on May 24, 2014

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
I have never met a woman who doesn't watch porn (or hasn't watched porn). HOWEVER. I think that women (who often deal with lovely sexual partners and are kinda trained to lie to preserve their partner's ego through faking) are more critical of porn and can see through the dramatization of it. Because of that, I think that most women will watch porn to get off but don't have the same desire to seek it out and use it for fantasies and instead turn to erotica and other kinds of ~mental stimulation~.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

Lassitude posted:

I'm not familiar with them, but I looked at Crash Pad out of curiosity, and the ladies were fairly hairy (legs/armpits included) so I figured that was legitimate lesbian porn if I've ever seen it.

Hairy (or "natural") is a huge fetish that is actually not over-saturated. I think the reason why more women in the industry don't do it (and why it remains fetish) is because "commercially preferred" standard is bald.

I would assume that women who are looking to see porn where the woman is legitimately enjoying herself are aware of the fact that shaving completely will not enhance pleasure. So yeah, I can see it being more of a thing in 'real' lesbian porn, even though there are still lesbians who want to see completely shaved.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
What I think he's saying is that lesbian sex for straight women is essentially the same as straight sex with no penis so it's natural and normal whereas a guy who is doing gay for pay is doing something that probably less straight men engage in (counting pegging / buttplugs and assplay even though pegging and getting anally hosed by another dude is very different from that).

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

Mymla posted:

I'm not a straight woman, but I'm going to assume that most heterosexual women find the idea of eating another woman's pussy fairly unpleasant, and remarkably different from having sex with a man. More different, really, than being hosed by a man in the rear end compared to being hosed by a woman in the rear end.

I think that you have to consider that from a performing standpoint "work sex" is different than "personal life sex". Performers do things all the time that they might consider to be unpleasant in real life but do while working (hopefully within boundaries). I don't like dirty talk in real life but when I'm on cam I'm a dirty talk pro. I don't like gagging on a dick IRL but while working I'll gag on a toy etc. Further, I consider myself mostly straight (I don't seek out women to have sex with) but have had sex with women while working. I wouldn't even begin to describe it as "fairly unpleasant" even though it's not something I enjoyed enough to pursue outside of work.

The point I was trying to make is that lesbian sex is eating pussy, fingering, and maybe strap-on (in porn), and none of those things are really all that different than foreplay / sex with a man - other than the fact that a woman is doing it. Things might be faked (including enjoyment) but there's a really big separation between the two.

Ultimately it's up to the performer to decide what she does and doesn't do, and with who, so if an actress finds eating pussy to be repulsive she hopefully won't seek out lesbian work. Performance for work is much different than "what I do and enjoy doing in my personal sex life".

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
I came across cervical prolapse porn once. Her cervix was outside of her vaginal opening. It was actually horrifying.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
Sponges are used when a woman is on her period and still wants to work. It's a common thing in the whole industry.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

What is the percentage of effectiveness for this? For blood flow. Has it ever stopped a shoot?

Would you recommend this ever to a "civilian" for a special night?

It doesn't stop bloodflow but it does absorb without getting in the way. Men are often not even aware of the sponge when it's in and they work better than tampons, imo. Tampons and maxi pads are not the only things that can be used as sanitary products. Sponges, menstrual cups, among other things, are incredibly useful. Beppy is a device specifically designed for use during intercourse, but just a regular sea sponge or makeup sponge will work just as well for a fraction of the price.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

McFunkerson posted:

Have you worked at all with Alexis Texas? That woman has a certain magic in the way she can move her rear end. Anything you can tell us about her?

Can you explain why people will shoot a scene with a girl that has razor rash all over her crotch (or something similar)? That is not attractive.

This sometimes develops through friction / heat / reaction to products etc as the shoot goes on. You know what would end this? Is if the trend moved away from completely shaved genitals.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
Shave using a sharp razor. Go with the grain always - a bit of stubble will NOT show up, even with HD video and really great lighting. I use Schick Intuition with as few passes as possible, and after I get out of the shower and pat the area dry I put unscented gel deodorant on the area.

In my experience, the key is consistency.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
Not to mention that with waxing you are more prone to ingrown hairs - especially imbedded ones, and waxing is significantly more expensive than shaving. As well, it is very unattractive the first few days especially if you have sensitive skin. The best thing to do would be to get laser hair removal but y know, it's expensive and many women don't want to be lasered bald for life.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

EvilElmo posted:

Waxing would be a tax deduction.

So are supplies for shaving.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
I deduct my sex toys, lightbulbs, most cosmetics, lingerie, and even this computer. The list of things that sex workers can deduct is quite extensive. The opposite side to that is that if you are audited it can be hellish to wade through whether or not it's possible that these things are used other than for work exclusively and balancing percentages can be a pain in the rear end as well.

I think it might even be possible for a performer to write off a percentage of her gas or even a plane ticket if she's traveling for work.

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luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
Maybe not everyone cares as much about it as you do. Like there are times that I go searching for a porn clip that I saw ages ago and sometimes I find it, sometimes I don't. What I'm trying to say is that there's SO loving MUCH porn out there that chances of someone finding the one or five off shoots you did is probably going to be low. Further, some people might not even care if people can find their porn.

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