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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Please use the words apartheid and genocide, please use the words apartheid and genocide.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Kissinger?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

agatona posted:

Also, the fact that judges have to campaign in the USA is really really scary. How can there be a fair trial if a lawyer in case a judge is handling has made donations to his election? Is the US government doing something to fix this?

No, it's working as intended.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Important lesson for these kids: if you want your bill to pass you gotta get out there and whip up some votes. Get those sweet child mugs in state legislator's offices and in front of cameras so you can twist some arms into supporting your bill. Liberally throw around Redtail Hawk lobby money to grease the wheels and sell out some principled stands you have on other legislation in return for the last votes you need. Offer to appear in an anti-Planned Parenthood commercial come that one dude's next election cycle, making GBS threads all over your parents' decision that caused you not to have a brother or sister and has made you fear for your life. That's how it's done kids. Their civics teacher really failed them tbh.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
He also did a whole bunch of interviews. Seriously how can you never have heard this man speak :psyduck:

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Mescal posted:

Seriousness and respectability are assets when it comes to relaying facts. They're irrelevant or even impediments to telling truth--that's good news for comedians doing journalism. Facts are for encyclopedias; truth is what journalists are supposed to do.

This reminds me of a thing Stewart Lee likes to do, which is tell a long story about a public figure while sounding very sincere and telling everyone it is true, then ending it with "Now, that story is not true. But I feel like what it tells us about X is true."


Also, as a generally informed person let me just say: most TED talks are in fact stupid.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Hakkesshu posted:

I bet this guy loves this poo poo. He totally just rolls with it.

Gotta wonder if he just starts laughing maniacally or starts pounding hard liquor the second he goes off the air.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Afro posted:

Everyone wants in on that sweet sweet government contract gravy train.

Government isn't good for anything except making a profit off of, apparently.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

kater posted:

God I would be fascinated to know what the reason the animals ate the pineapple was. If it's because they were hungry that is beyond unfair.

Well you know 2 hours did pass, it's right there in the text.

Sure they were also annoyed with the pineapple, but as you surely must know, hunger causes animals to seek out and consume food whereas annoyance does not.

Check.

Also the owl clearly was not the wisest, because it was a part of the set of animals who all agreed to cheer for the pineapple, thus this story cleverly parodies owls being seen as particularly wise going all the way back to the ancient Greeks. The sleeves comment was just the owl being a smartass, which is a way to flippantly sound wise without actually leading to any insight or understanding, and thus not actually being wise. Meanwhile the hare was correct about everything it said and used common sense, factual knowledge and understanding to support its positions.

Mate.

Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 19:18 on May 6, 2015

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

TLG James posted:

Nope, the owl actually poisoned the pineapple after spending it's life developing a tolerance to it. Thus making himself bird king of the the jungle.

The Pineapple and the Hare.

By George R.R. Martin

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Exclamation Marx posted:

MMP owns actually, and leads to parliaments that are totally proportionate to the party vote.

So does party list proportional representation and you don't have to deal with districts.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

OhYeah posted:

I'm surprised that anyone (who is not rich) decides to have children in United States, because I sure hell wouldn't under those conditions.

Don't worry, they have a solution for this. It's called abstinence only sex-education, or ideally, no sex-education at all.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Neeksy posted:

Maybe using an economic standard of argument is a distraction from the fact that just being a humanitarian society should be enough to argue in favor of this. I get that it's not as persuasive in terms of dollars and cents, and that there are large sections of society that only view policy value in terms of that, but sometimes it just feels like it's trying to quantify something that should be a moral/social issue about the value of preventing needless human suffering.

Get a load of this commie.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Irish Joe posted:

Lack of extraordinary benefits hasn't stopped the poor from breeding like rabbits. Quite the opposite, actually (its almost like poor people make bad decisions hmmmm).

We should redistribute the wealth so that nobody is poor and nobody makes bad decisions.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

DoggPickle posted:

You guys have made it quite clear that I will never get any reasonable replies, and the next generation is really weird and pretentious because you want rainbows and unicorns. Screw it.

Just like how every other country on the planet provides maternal leave, but it can't possibly work in the US, it must be *everyone else* who is wrong and weird and for sure not you. Never you. You are exceptional.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Pinky Artichoke posted:

One admittedly less important story I'd kind of like to hear him cover is the jihadi kids who are fleeing ISIS and trying to go home. It seems like an interesting problem going forward: how to handle teens who ran off to join the fight/marry the fighters and then noped out of there.

The strategy of the Dutch PM as stated during an election debate is: "hope they die".

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Relentlessboredomm posted:

Is there any shock jock radio personality that isn't a terrible human being?

It turns out that being an rear end in a top hat on air is best done by people who are just assholes all the time.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

JohnSherman posted:

This would be less of a problem if the IOC wasn't so deadset on the concept of the Olympic Village. Most developed countries have a lot of that required infrastructure already in place, just not all in one location. It's absurd to put world class facilities all in one city and expect people to make use of them.

The Olympic village is a pretty cool part of the Olympics actually. What they should do is just have the games in Athens every time instead of travelling around to places. Just have a different country do the opening/closing ceremonies every time or something to keep the "introduce your culture to the world" element.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

bull3964 posted:

I could see the pope slam getting a lot of people mad.

gently caress em, to be honest.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

SlothfulCobra posted:

Thailand fought on the opposite side of the war from Hitler, although they were fighting mainly against Japan, so I could understand them not really knowing what Hitler's deal was.

Actually Thailand pretty much cooperated with the Japanese and declared war on the Allies. This happened under threat of invasion by Japan and a guerilla resistance movement formed with government support, but still, Thailands WW2 history isn't exactly clean.

Why Hitler and "Nazi Chique" are such a thing in East Asia I couldn't tell you, but if we're generous and say it's because they are ignorant as gently caress about this then that still doesn't make them look good.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Xoidanor posted:

Then we're right there in the poo poo with them, most westerners are ignorant as gently caress about Japan's actions during WW2 (with the exception of Pearl Harbour). We don't care about their side of WW2 and they don't give a poo poo about ours, it's perfectly fair.

If true (I wouldn't know, Dutch history covers the theatre in at least some detail for obvious reasons) then it's still not comparable unless we start using Hirohito in our marketing or start wearing Unit 731 inspired fashion.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Relentlessboredomm posted:

You got me curious and so I dug around. First, I need a shower now. Second, it's hilarious how mild the criticism is towards Oliver specifically. It's a whole lot of "Oh no he's been convinced by those evil SJWs", or "I lost so much respect for John for making this episode."<- an actual quote.

See when a white man does this they can have a reaction like losing respect. Because they respected him before. But if a woman did it they couldn't lose respect cus they never respected any women in the first place.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Xoidanor posted:

I literally did not know the Ottoman Empire and Byzantium was even a thing until I played AOE3 and Europa Universalis. :psyduck:

Byzantium wasn't really a thing :ssh:

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

thehustler posted:

If you enjoyed the discussion about scientific reporting and accuracy then you could do a lot worse than get involved with your local skeptics group where we talk about this poo poo all the time.

The reactions to this post have been very skeptical.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

tarlibone posted:

Depending on when that happens, though, I might have to advise them first that as a non-fiduciary advisor, I haven't exactly got a lot of "book smarts" when it comes to investments and stuff.

What's a million or ten between friends?

I mean, when you think about it ten million is mostly zeroes.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Jon Stewart was Alexander and the ex-correspondents and Trevor are the Diadochi. Colbert is Ptolemy, Trevor is Cassander, Samantha is Antigonus, John is Seleucus and Wilmore is Lysimachus.

Meanwhile what we really need is a glorious new Roman age.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

SlothfulCobra posted:

Most places where the private sector outdoes the public ones are where there's monetary incentives. At least private prisons might want to take care of prisoners so that they can provide slave labor.

Private prisons would give a poo poo if not taking care of their population resulted in diminished profits, for example through being fined for mistreatment or losing labor due to mistreatment in excess of what proper treatment would cost. It turns out you can use force to squeeze labor out of people even if they are horrible mistreated, a lesson I'm sure the US knows all about, so we're left with fines. This would require a government which gives gently caress one about prisoners and their treatment, and thus by extention a society that doesn't think prison rape is a hilarious joke and also an expected part of the sentence.

Even in such a hypothetical society, prisons would then have an equal incentive to changing government regulatory pressure or the societal attitudes driving that pressure. If doing that would ever be perceived as cheaper than complying with the regulations requiring proper treatment, you bet your rear end market pressures will work on achieving regulatory capture or marketing prisoners as subhuman to the general population real quick.

Raises some real questions about the ethics of market pressures. (the answer is socialism)

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Servaetes posted:

Can you elaborate on the bad things he's done? As far as I understood Tibetan monks are largely just to themselves and peaceful Buddhists so I don't see where atrocities have been incurred by them. Especially when you compare to the things the Chinese government have done for decades.

The Dalai Lama was basically the dictator of Tibet before China invaded. And Tibet was rear end-backwards as gently caress so don't think he was all too much of an enlightened one either. That said, none of that justifies the blatant land (read: resource) grab by China.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

The Cheshire Cat posted:

It's one of those things that's a symptom of the way the system works but is hard to come up with a better solution while also preserving the core idea behind the system.

The core idea behind your system is pretty terrible.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

bull3964 posted:

That's great, but it wouldn't have helped that woman because the other person assumed the REASON for that was alcoholism.

It's really the same bullshit that came up in the aftermath of the healthcare bill where it was suggested that people with diabetes shouldn't be covered since they 'did it to themselves' through poor diet.

People become incredibly judgmental of other's medical conditions when they feel that someone should be able to do something to avoid or resolve it.

Hell, I got that in middle school from a classmate due to my color-blindness. She was under the mistaken thought that color blindness was solved by glasses and I had undergone surgery the previous summer that resolved my need to wear glasses. Well, something came up in classwork that I couldn't do because I couldn't distinguish the shades. I got a real snarky, "It's your fault because you aren't wearing your glasses" from her. That's obviously really scaled back from the reactions others get for their conditions, but it represents a mindset that people get ingrained with early on. "I'm healthy and it's too scary to think about that changing, so I'm going to assume everyone with some sort of condition got there due to their choices."

When you say "people", please be aware that you mean "Americans".

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Gyges posted:

America isn't the only country with people who don't think things out and do not realize they are generally uninformed. We just amplify their ignorant voices the most.

This part right here

quote:

That's obviously really scaled back from the reactions others get for their conditions, but it represents a mindset that people get ingrained with early on.

I do not recognize that in people I know outside of Americans.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

MikeJF posted:

I would let young Nixon use me and then dump my body in a river any day.

Remember that Nixon liked to pretend he was an alligator while swimming.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

IRQ posted:

I don't think anyone is trying to rehab W's image, it's just that Trump is that much worse.

Let's not forget Bush killed and tortured a hell of a lot more people.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

IRQ posted:

Give Trump time.

I'm just saying, actually inflicted evil has got to count for more than evil that will potentially be inflicted.

As it stands right now, on July 31st 2017, Bush is a worse human being than Trump.

I think the only argument you could make where Trump might be worse than Bush, so far, in terms of actual suffering caused, would be on climate. But then if we look at Bush' climate policies, it's not exactly a night and day situation.

None of this is to defend Trump. And I would be the least surprised if Trump were given the kind of power Bush had for 8 years, he'd be able to inflict more suffering, but until he's actually done so, Bush is worse.

In conclusion, gently caress Bush and I'm glad Reagan dead.

Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Jul 31, 2017

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Propaganda Machine posted:

I agree with all of this, but to be fair to Dubya (why would I do this) An Inconvenient Truth hit the mainstream in 2006 and until then many people could be forgiven for not-quite-buying the gravity of the situation we're facing. As a kid in elementary school in the early-mid 90's, Global Warming was a potentially alarming theory with several contributing factors to point to, but the opposition could just as easily say "we have no idea why there's a hole in our O-zone layer and it's loving absurd that cow dung has anything to do with it. Also, rainforests give us our medicines"

Your education system being garbage really isn't much of an excuse. My high school education was pretty loving clear on man-made climate change (granted, they exclusively used the term global warming back then, which isn't the extent of the problem, so not the best term) and the kinds of problems it was likely to cause if it continued and this was in like, 2000-2005. Especially in the early years I had some old books that still had whole chapters on acid rain, and yet even in those global warming was clearly talked about as the bigger issue, and acid rain more of an example on how humans can affect their environment negatively, and then through regulation and effort improve the situation.




SlothfulCobra posted:

It's an interesting choice to do a whole segment on Alex Jones. I didn't specifically know about his sales schemes, but it fits with what I knew already. There are plenty of talk shows like his that put their weight behind bogus pharmaceuticals, and I remember that scaremongering has in the past been a great sales tool for things like survival kits or selling gold while telling viewers the dollar is doomed, so why not combine the two. Like chocolate and chicken bones. The trick of always claiming that you're on the brink is also something I've heard before, I think the leader of the KKK pulls that one to get extra donations.

I guess maybe they wanted a nice easy softball when they came back, especially after the clusterfuck of news that they missed, but it really makes me wonder who they think their audience is. Alex Jones can be real fun to make fun of, but I don't think people who are into him intersect much with viewers of this show. Maybe they're hoping for a response?

Alex Jones literally has the ear of your president, is seen as a significantly more respectable individual than the grand wizard of the loving KKK, yet casually and repeatedly shits on the victims, survivors and family members of victims and survivors of an elementary school mass murder for money and attention. He's one of the worst your country has to offer, yet manages to stand out even in that very crowded gutter. He's the Ted Cruz of far right punditry. gently caress Alex Jones, I hope he has a debilitating aneurysm, suffers profoundly, and then dies.



tarlibone posted:

And let's not forget that he, and I am loathe to even appear to be rationalizing this, first asked some lawyers, "what is the most we can do to someone before we have to consider it torture?" Bush at least had the... uhm... let's call it "technical humanity" to make sure what he was doing wasn't technically torture. According to his lawyers. (Now if you'll excuse me, I have to take a shower.)

Trump, on the other hand, is promising to bring it all back, well after the general consensus is that, yes, what Bush did was, in fact, torture.

That is an important difference. One is a guy who doesn't want to be known as a torturer, but he still wants to wring information out of people, so he tries to do it once he gets a note from his lawyer saying what is and isn't OK. The other is a guy promising to do it again with the full knowledge that it was absolutely wrong the first time and that it didn't even generate much useful information. And that is before you even put it into context, which is important too. Because, well, let's face it: we may not want to admit it, but most Americans of all political leanings were at best a little bit slow to say "Hey, let's not do anything crazy" in the months and year immediately following 9/11. Nothing even approaching that scale of attack on our country has happened in the last 15+ years.

Why are we treating the torturer and murderer who first spends time trying to figure out how to get away with it with more respect, exactly? Bush, Cheney et al knew exactly what they were doing, they just had the good sense to fire up the propaganda machine to conceal their actions first. Trump, too, has fired up his propaganda machine before doing anything, and due to the pro-torture shift brought about by Bush admin propaganda and actions in the first place, taking a baldly pro-torture position is now a thing that is politically acceptable to a sizable minority of Americans. There is no general consensus in American society that what you fuckers did was torture, and that torture is wrong. I know more than enough Americans to know that that is a lie.

If it wasn't a lie, you'd have prosecutions and convictions. You'd have truth and reconciliation commissions. You'd have a loving apology. Instead all anyone got was a "we tortured some folks".

Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jul 31, 2017

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

The Cheshire Cat posted:

Yeah the strangest thing about conspiracy nuts is how often they're like, 70% right, but then that last 30% goes completely off the rails. Like, there ARE massive, global conspiracies of banks... but it doesn't have anything to do with "the Jews" or trying to take over the world or anything, it's just rich people finding ways to make themselves richer.

Haven't heard any conspiracy nuts go off on the LIBOR scandal, and that poo poo was a massive banking conspiracy to steal shittons of money. And you know, actually happened.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Also don't forget, there's a bunch of reports of people who know right wing pundits off camera and claim they don't even actually believe half the poo poo they say.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

pwn posted:

Company Scrip for the 21st century. Amazing

This new age will be so gilded.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Hunt11 posted:

The weirdest thing about the right is the fact that they worship the police yet don't seem to trust them to actually protect the people.

That's really not the weirdest thing. The police aren't there to protect you in the immediate situation, that's a matter of personal responsibility. The police are there to keep non-whites out of your life.

Captain_Person posted:

And now the National Party's former leader's son has threatened to record a diss track.

Ah yes, let's diss Eminem, this is a thing that's known to end well for people.

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Orange Devil
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TheCenturion posted:

It's the old 'looting/gathering supplies' dichotomy.

When Oliver was lining up the "worst flooding news segment" bit I really thought he was going to go to Wolf's "so so black" rather than the dumb lady in the dumb boat.

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