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I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

UnoriginalMind posted:

C'mon man, we can rip on Justine Tunney for good reasons, let's leave her gender identity out of it.

She does support crazy misandrists though, which I was unaware of. It's a layer cake of loving bonkers!
That's Narciss, dude. He's been gimmickposting in PYF for ages.

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I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
It is absolutely not a strawman. The Sword of Truth books Chocula mentioned feature a scene in which the protagonist righteously massacres a horde of "evil pacifists" for blocking his way to the villain, who is an evil Pseudo-Asian Communist. Him realizing the pacifists are evil for rejecting violence is considered an epiphany about objective morality. The books are completely in earnest.

I Killed GBS has a new favorite as of 06:24 on Dec 25, 2014

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Silver2195 posted:

That came out decades after Iron Dream, though.

Yeah, which only makes it all the more depressing how fantasy nerds have been lapping that kind of poo poo up even to this day.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I'm really glad I don't spend much time on tumblr since as far as I can tell Undertale has become the new Homestuck in terms of godawful fans ruining everything

I liked the game and I have intentionally avoided everything else related to the game for that reason :colbert:

Wimp

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
Also Shirou has a bad case of ptsd survivor guilt, not "pathological altruism," which is not an actual thing.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

hackbunny posted:

What on earth gave SA its reputation as a leftist site. Have these people ever been in GBS

SA sometimes punishes people for saying "friend of the family"

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Cingulate Forced My Thread Gay

To be fair, half of that was hackbunny.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

hackbunny posted:

Someone (Parallel Paraplegic?) theorized that the obsession with "traps" stems from the idea of creating women untainted by innate "dirty" femininity, and I was trying to agree with him. I don't think the alt right is entirely composed of 100% heterosexual men as commonly assumed, I think they have a certain degree of variance, that tends to manifest in unique unhealthy identities like "trap" (the tumblr left doesn't have a monopoly on unique unhealthy identities) because everything has to be framed in a certain ideology

And I'm saying that's a ridiculous hypothesis born of lack of familiarity with the communities involved. "Trap" is a 4chan thing, it has nothing to do with the alt-right and everything to do with channers. There is overlap between those groups, but that's the only connecting point. I know in person a pretty hardcore leftist and ex-4chan refugee who refers to themselves as a "trap", because they are genderqueer and extremely effeminate while still identifying as male.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
The reason "traps" are so popular on 4chan in general is because they are attractive to the mostly-heterosexual men who post there, and are male, thus creating an allure of the "forbidden" or "exotic." In a similar way, very strong and muscular women are also popular on some parts of the site and offshoots. It's pretty much as complex as that.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

It's pretty well known that there's a lot of people who consider themselves to be 100% completely heterosexual on 4chan who find traps attractive but insist it's 100% completely straight because they have a "girly dick" or something. Like it's common enough to give rise to several memes.

EDIT: wait Cingulate is agreeing with someone here I am not used to that and thought I needed to make a counterpoint

His overwhelming desire to be a devil's advocate turns out to be right when people actually are making ridiculous over-reaching theories.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
I was saying that it wasn't some bizarre right-wing take on "political lesbianism" and almost certainly the other thing, source: i spent years on 4chan and have spent my entire childhood and most of my adulthood trying to research gender and sexuality, jesus christ why did i ever think for a second you weren't an annoying piece of poo poo

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Cingulate posted:

... You're a sexologist?

That's cool.

Or are you just saying you watch a lot of porn?

I'm a highschool dropout with autism so severe I couldn't speak until I was 8

That still makes me significantly more qualified to speak on matters of human behavior and sexuality than you

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

hackbunny posted:

What other outlets for intimacy are left for them though?

Hentai. No joke.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Terrible Opinions posted:

Don't worry eventually you'll outgrow shame and become fishmech.

I talk with fishmech on steam, and he is less annoying by cingulate by orders of magnitude, so this would be a legit good thing

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Peztopiary posted:

Cingulate, are you British? That'd explain so, so much about how you post.

He's German, which is even worse imo

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

pookel posted:

Well, in theory, the idea is that people sometimes do good things in order to make themselves look good rather than out of altruism. This seems reasonable on the face of it; the problems comes in when you start applying that to everything you disagree with.

Most altruism is a complex interplay of helping people making you feel good due to brain chemicals, assuaging guilt, because you were taught it was the proper thing to do, and to make people think you're a good person. "Virtue signalling" is a worthless concept because it attempts to boil down a complicated behavior into a catchy buzzword.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Cingulate posted:

FWIW, I don' think signalling is a prominent concept in psychology - it's economics or evolutionary biology.

oh my god shut up

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Qwertycoatl posted:

They misuse the term "signalling" anyway. I'd love to see a NRx shitlord say "the stripes on a wasp are just signalling, so they can't really sting" and then poke a nest.

someone should give cingulate a yellow/black striped avatar

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

LordSaturn posted:

I hope I can elucidate this for you: It is a common Neoreactionary tactic to take some unsupported bias of their own and align it with some actual scientific phenomenon, usually biological, to better pretend their bias is a fact of nature. That is what Virtue Signalling is, rhetorically - taking "I don't think you're REALLY a good person" and aligning it with "you only act good because :biotruths: makes you more likely to reproduce if you do."

That is what people are trying to tell you.

forget it LordSaturn; it's cingulatetown

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Thank you for pointing this out, I have come upon a solution that should help pookel not be exposed to your posting.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

pookel posted:

Wait what? No, Alice isn't a boy name. Unless you're trying for a "boy named Sue" thing.

Alister is possibly what he means?

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

That's an incredibly good and accurate description of channers and I am going to steal that.

I'd argue that but to be honest i haven't actually posted on 4chan itself in 3 years

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I mean even back when I was on it (god was it seriously almost a decade ago jesus) that describes it pretty well, at least that's the impression I always got. 4chan was the secret cool kids club where there were no rules - everyone said the most disgusting and terrible things they could because they could. Most people didn't even necessarily believe or (explicitly) endorse anything they were saying but this was a place that existed so that people could say literally whatever they want and face zero consequences by design and therefore you should say extreme things. It definitely makes sense to me that, from that vantage point, everything else seems artificially tame - people only aren't acting like that all the time because if society's rules, and being offended or taking things seriously is only for people who don't ~get~ that the internet is just for lulz.

Yeah, me and most of the channers I'm still friends with ended up emigrating to offshoot chanboards with heavier moderation or tumblr (or SA, obviously) due to eventually getting tired of it.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
my experience as an atheist growing up consisted of feeling superior to people and finding it to be a deeply unsatisfying and even depressing thing

i am, shall we say, not euphoric

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Yeah as far as I can tell the transracial otherkin type of tumblrite is almost entirely composed of young people trying to come to terms with their own identity and society as a whole and growing up and all that junk.

However I don't know if the alt-right is that much older. I guess the "figureheads" (if you can call them that) tend to be, but I just can't see older people going to /pol/ in any sort of large numbers.

/pol/ skews older than pretty much all the rest of 4chan except /k/

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

McGlockenshire posted:

If you haven't seen the "Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy", it's worth clicking into if only to read the headings and look at the diagrams. Those loving diagrams are the spergiest social interaction sperg that has ever sperged in the history of all sperglords, and I say that with "sperg" being a loving insult.

I don't understand the conclusion they've drawn from their logic. If you recognize a diversity problem, and then actively take steps to encourage diversity in your participants, why would you maintain an invitation to someone that has positions that are actively opposed to the diverse audience you are trying to attract? That position might make sense if the conference was about diversity, but given the social climate of the diversity problem itself, can't they see the problem they've stepped into? This is not a place where maintaining internally consistent logic is the correct choice, because social interaction is not a problem you can solve with beep-boop logic.

Speaking as a sooper-dooper autistic who literally spent pretty much all of elementary school as nonverbal, social interaction absolutely is something you can solve with beep-boop logic and make a decent run of things. The problem they have is that it doesn't matter how sound your logic is if you're working from a false premise. :v:

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

McGlockenshire posted:

I'm glad that you have had a good level of success navigating social interactions that way. I am not professionally diagnosed as being on the spectrum myself, nor do I self diagnose as being on the spectrum. Instead, my social handicap is an extreme fear of embarrassment. In my experience, attempting to apply state machine logic to individual social interaction can work if the interaction will be a predictable one. I have never found success assuming logical flow of conversations that aren't about a predictable subject, and I consistently misjudge and stick my foot in my mouth. If this is one of those cases, I apologize.

The secret of how to do social interaction via beep-boop logic is to do extensive, often first-hand study of social dynamics from a very young age, read every kind of sociology/psychology book you can get your hands on, and approach every day as if it's another experiment to learn what does and doesn't work.

In other words it's an absurd amount of effort for something most people can do fairly simply and I'm utterly baffled by why there are (relatively) neurotypical nerds who view it as a thing to strive for and not just as a complicated method autistics use to compensate.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Completely off topic but have you heard about that experimental treatment using TMS that's allowed at least one guy to sense emotions for the first time?

I can sense emotions just fine, though. It requires me to be paying attention and to connect what I'm percieving in the other person's behaviors with what I know from my own experience of those emotions and study, but it's still sensing them. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd like to suddenly experience that stuff directly, autism isn't my only issue and I'm willing to bet being able to feel that stuff head-on is more intense than my dangerously jury-rigged brain could handle.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I threw that Homestuck jab in there because there was this incredibly stupid PBS Idea Channel thing titled "Is Homestuck this generation's Ulysses?" or something like that.

Homestuck's segments on Troll Romance are more relevant and applicable to real life than anything Moldbug's ever shat out of his keyboard

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Peztopiary posted:

Fishmech is actually a good poster. He's a better mod though.

Woolie Wool dislikes Fishmech because Fishmech made fun of his terrible taste in DooM graphics settings.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Cardboard Box A posted:



I always assumed that photoshops of anime girls wearing trump hats were making fun of trump, but clearly I was wrong. We got a real life anime-loving nazi trumpeteer folks.

Ugghh, what did poor Momiji do to deserve that sig

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Woolie Wool posted:

Does Aurini pitch shift his voice? I find it distinctly unnatural sounding, and it would fit right in at his history of being a complete poser who pretends to smoke cigarettes, pretends to drink whiskey, and pins a target on his wall where all the holes are from a BB gun and none are on target.

e: oh my god Aurini posts on NMA I can't breathe from laughing so hard why haven't I watched hbomberguy videos before :newlol:

No, he just has a warbly nerd voice that is also deep.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Count Chocula posted:

I love Phil, but this blog is starting to pull me into Nick Land and Eugene Thacker's maw, and reminds me strongly of other depressed Lovecraftians I know. I'm still going to buy the book, but it's disturbing stuff for a guy I got into because of comic book wizards and Dr. Who.

You are so weird.

And yes, I realize the irony in me telling someone that.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

that's a very generous nazi

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Wow! Even the description of this video is a fallacious lefty straw-man! I'm neither an AnCap or an MRA, you ninny! But you really do have the most annoyingly slimy, weasel-like face and manner to you.

I initially wondered whether this would actually dignify a video response. But then I fast-forwarded through this absurdity and found there was nothing to respond to. Furthermore, a response would require that I care enough to watch the entirety of a 15 minute postmodern pile of ad hominem garbage, where reality is shaped by opinion and emotion. Obviously there would be no getting through to you and your Borg audience, whatever I said, but I would make you look like a twit to the world at large, and that would be fun!

P.S. I'm sure your servile deference to women gets you no respect in practice, even as you lie about the notion that this stay-at-home dad thinks women have no rights. Meanwhile I'm very happily married, have two wonderful daughters, and unlike you I don't think that marriage is some sort of bourgeois trap of false consciousness that stands in the way of your creepy communist orgy cult. But good luck lying about people to get in the good books of feminists that are too sociopathic to ever love anyone but themselves. I'm sure love will find a way though, and all that!

P.P.S. Nice intro! Who wrote it?

P.P.P.S. What a lovely middle-class, bourgeois house you have, you northern man of the people! As a side note, I control this thread. So don't bother trolling it lefties, unless you want your comment removed, and your account blocked.
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Ahahaha, goddamn that is some serious rear anger.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Halloween Jack posted:

I'm immensely tired of douchebags who try to pull the trick where if something gets a positive response, they meant it, but if it gets a negative response, they claim they were just taking the piss and you're a puppet dancing on their strings. It was obviously bullshit when Boyd Rice did it.

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Patrick Spens posted:

How is it possible for you to be this bad at reading?

Oh cool, our secondary contrarian is here to pick up Cingulate's slack

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
I've been quoted on ED multiple times, usually on pages about various furries, because for a while I had a perverse obsession with furry drama, not unlike those people who collect compilations of car crash videos

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
I am sorry for invoking the name of Cingulate. It was out of line.

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I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
The smarter you are, the more easily you can come up with logical contortions/justifications for horrible poo poo.
It offers no protection from assholery.

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