Dang, I was going to make a thread about this when I got home from work, but I'm not mad someone else beat me to it. I'll post what I have as a resource anyway. Note: This is all from published or media sources unless otherwise noted. This is 17 year old Mike Brown, recent high school graduate who was planning on going to vocational school starting August 11th, 2014. He was murdered by a Ferguson police officer on Saturday, August 9th, 2014. On Saturday afternoon, Mike Brown and a friend were walking down the street towards their homes when a police car approached them. quote:About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them. Source: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri The events at the time of the shooting were unclear. First news media reported that Mike Brown had shoplifted from a local store and been shot upon fleeing police (untrue). Then it was spread that he had attacked a police officer unprovoked and been shot in response after attempting to seize the officer's firearm (untrue). So far the account above is the only eyewitness account, which has been unconfirmed by police, as the witness has not been interviewed or questioned. There are also reports that the officer in question did not have his dash cam activated at the time of the shooting, and that Ferguson police seized camera footage from CCTV security systems which may have recorded the event shortly after the shooting. Saturday night there was some protest and general anger by the Ferguson community, especially as Mike Brown's body was left in the street for 4-6 hours after the shooting. Sunday a riot broke out, and that was limited to a handful of stores in Ferguson, including the Quiktrip store that was originally claimed where Mike Brown had shoplifted from. All day Monday and into the evening there were protests and vigils planned in Mike Brown's memory, but as the night began the STL and Ferguson PD responded by adopting aggressive posture towards the protesters during the day, overreacted to a fight at the STL Galleria with 25 cop cars, shut down Washington University in STL due to "threats of violence" (despite Ferguson being nowhere near WU) and then once it became apparent that the community intended to protest and/or march into the evening, went into full blown riot protocol with all their best paramilitary equipment and tactics, culminating in firing rubber bullets into crowds, pointing loaded weapons at unarmed citizens (including an STL alderman), shooting tear gas into backyards and porches, throwing a pregnant woman into the street, and violating the rights of media. They justified this by saying they were trying to disperse a "violent crowd", but they did so by basically shutting down every road in and out of Ferguson, essentially trapping anyone who had gone there to protest (or who was there just to work) and then hounding them throughout the night. Video footage from Monday night: https://twitter.com/brownblaze/status/499072600656449536 Ferguson PD tear gassing people on private property: https://twitter.com/fxmatt4/status/499307027349667840, http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/police_in_ferguson_fire_tear_gas_on_protesters_with_hands_up_in_their_own_backyard.php Police brandishing automatic weapons at unarmed citizens: Ferguson PD using uparmored vehicles and tactical gear: http://imgur.com/ZcsGcFf Ferguson PD throw a pregnant woman to the ground, stomach first: https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady/status/499053796966686720 Wooden pellets allegedly fired at protesters by Ferguson PD: http://imgur.com/0ymAfIE Ferguson PD using tear gas and vehicle cordon to prevent media from entering Ferguson after dark: http://imgur.com/fCFyB56 In the latest news, air travel over Ferguson has been shut down for anything below 3000 ft (i.e. most news helicopters). Obama issued a statement today asking for calm and peace, but has yet to make any kind of official response besides asking AG Holder to look into the matter. If you're interested in what's actually happening I'd recommend following these Twitter accounts: https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench (Alderman of 21st ward in STL, has been following and documenting this firsthand basically since a few hours after Mike Brown was murdered.) https://twitter.com/Vandalyzm (local STL musician, has also been following and documenting on the ground, lots of info about community responses and planning.) https://twitter.com/BrittanyNoble (STL reporter, has better access and insight than most others) There's also an Anonymous group working on forcing the police to give up more information: https://twitter.com/OpFerguson Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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# ¿ Aug 12, 2014 23:21 |
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# ¿ May 17, 2024 07:03 |
Feranon posted:So there's the no-fly zone bullshit and now I'm seeing rumors that the KKK is in Ferguson. This is beyond crazy. Things would have been more or less fine last night from the sound of it but they just keep escalating poo poo The KKK thing is looking to be false; there's a picture floating around of a KKK rally happening in Clayton, which is unlikely, given that Clayton is a majority black neighborhood and the picture itself is from a KKK thing in Florida some years back. There's a lot of disinfo getting floated about, so grain of salt and all that. There's enough attention on this now that things get vetted pretty quickly.
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# ¿ Aug 12, 2014 23:28 |
Chinatown posted:Men, literally better equipped than Peshmerga dudes currently fighting ISIS, running around an American suburban neighborhood. These dudes have better equipment than my battalion did in 2009 while gearing up for a deployment, and it seems like they have less stringent of a SOP regarding engagement with civilians than we did too.
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# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 00:36 |
unwantedplatypus posted:Is it just me or are these "black kid dies due to cop , black community pissed" riots getting more severe. If not on the protestor side then on the police response side? I feel like these shootings are too close together to simply pass from public conscience. A black man is killed by police in the US every 28 hours http://www.occupy.com/article/black-man-killed-us-every-28-hours-police That image is missing the shooting of a black man by an off-duty cop in Dallas (I think), and the shooting of an unarmed black man in LA by the highway patrol, and the brutal beating of a homeless black woman in LA by a cop for what amounts to jaywalking. All in the last week or so. People are tired of this poo poo. It's obvious that the politicians won't do anything, despite relying on PoC to win elections (at least for the Democrats), and people are sick and tired of seeing their families brutalized and executed by the state. My brother, a federal employee for USPS, was walking to work last year and has SIX cop cars, guns drawn and brandished, swarm him because he "fit the description" of a suspect for a crime on the other side of town. At 8am on a weekday. One innocent, wrong move (i.e. gesturing towards his pockets, running, etc) and my brother would be dead. It's been enough for a long time, but social media and community activism has really started to mobilize around this kind of brutality as a serious issue, at least for certain demographics. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 01:15 |
the posted:When people tell me that America is a place of freedom where everyone has a voice, I just want to point to Ferguson. Ditto. Related to tonight's protest in Ferguson: Apparently there have been groups of (white) anarchists attempting to infiltrate the protests and use it as cover for lighting fires and generally attempting to provoke a harsh response from the Ferguson PD. Local activists have been running them off or ejecting them from the main protest groups: https://twitter.com/TefPoe/status/499410450199883776 (another good local twitter account to follow).
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# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 05:31 |
I don't personally like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the mainstream NAACP, et. al, mostly because they tend to rely on the rhetoric of respectability politics, "gotta hear both sides", and equating violence of the oppressed being as bad or worse than violence of the oppressors, and at this point they've obviously gone from being organic community leaders to co-opted, mainstream apparatuses used to paint anything to do with race in a certain light, but...they are extremely effective at putting pressure on governments when it comes to issues surrounding race and civil rights. Hearing that Al Sharpton is coming to your town is about the last thing any local government official wants, because the media is sure to follow and you're under that much more scrutiny. Right now it seems like there are a LOT of local community leaders involved in not only organizing the response in Ferguson and keeping it effective as well as controlled, but also organizing things like the National Moment of Silence 2014 https://www.facebook.com/NMOS2014 (happening today, google and see if there's one in your town). If outsiders like Al Sharpton try to take over and do things his way I'm sure there'll be friction, but right now his presence is making sure that the national media reports on this and maintains a spotlight on events, and the guy has been doing this kind of work for DECADES. His contributions, regardless of the negative light that most of White America sees him in, is a net positive here.
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# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 15:37 |
This seems to be the most outstanding image from last nights protests and subsequent police response; a protester wearing an American flag t-shirt throwing back a ignited can of tear gas at the police.
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# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 15:55 |
My Imaginary GF posted:Everything's changed. Some cities have a culture that embraces the positive aspects of that change. St. Louis is not one of them. If anything, civil rights in St. Louis have gotten worse. I'd dare say the openness of their attitude is worse than at a Klan rally in Mississippi. As far as I know, the Klan has dropped "ship them all back elsewhere" from its platforn. Some cities =/= the nation as a whole, and while yes, there are outposts and enclaves where the full brunt of the Civil Rights movement and subsequent struggles for equality between races, genders, etc have been fully embraced, the sad truth is that the majority of the country has not changed and for people like Mike Brown, Eric Garner, etc, etc, it has gotten worse in many ways, as the gains in civil rights and racial equality have been eroded, undermined, or ignored. No denying that there are some specific contextual bases for riots happened in St. Louis instead of NYC, Philly, Houston, etc, but this has been a long time coming no matter where the occasion of brutality and oppression occurred in the US. The Ferguson PD just overplayed their hand and pushed this particular community too far, and media picked up on it before it could be quashed. Edit: And then you have idiots like this who presume that racism is only a problem in places like STL, so why wouldn't you just move away already?! I mean, his GRANDMA did it, why can't you? https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/499551686500036608 https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/499594932647366656 Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 23:34 |
Naet posted:Is there confirmation on the arrest of the two journalists? I mean, all signs point to yes, but are we sure? It's legit. One of the journos in question: https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 01:45 |
What in the actual gently caress? How is any of this legal?
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 03:12 |
Zeitgueist posted:This stuff isn't even new, it's been going on for years. I mean I know it's not legal and it's been going on in poor areas forever, but it's on video and all over the internet. Why isn't there a federal response? Why isn't the Governor of MO doing something? It's obvious the police are provoking this.
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 03:15 |
axeil posted:"Where are the politicians at? They want the black votes but they're not out here" Fuckin' A-right.
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 03:21 |
Muffin Top posted:God I hate this world Read "Cities Under Siege". It's kind of plodding and textbook at times, but it's a great breakdown of how police forces and military forces have focused on urbanized warfare, and how Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. has been a laboratory for a lot of that.
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 03:49 |
Cesar Cedeno posted:His presence doesn't hurt poo poo, if the protesters make this a purely race issue, they will be crushed hard and won't get an ounce of sympathy from 90% of the nation. As opposed to only getting sympathy from 30-40% of the nation even if they did everything "right".
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 05:12 |
Another witness to the shooting has come forward, with video of the actual shooting (or at least the tail end of it) : http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Another-witness-to-Michael-Brown-Jr-shooting-speaks-to-News-4-271139501.htmlquote:Mitchell told News 4 she saw a door close on a police car. An officer was inside and Brown, Jr. was on the outside. She said the two were arm wrestling through the car window. Mitchell said she then tried to pull out her phone to record. Shots then rang out. That's two eyewitnesses stating that the cop basically executed the kid after he had already been shot and was pleading for mercy.
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 05:58 |
Koalas March posted:Whoa I didn't know that saying white people should shut the gently caress up, listen to black people, and not tell us how to feel or fight a battle we've been fighting forever was controversial. Welp Yeah, what's controversial about this? It's been demonstrated over and over again that when white people get involved in movements they bring attention and support, but usually at the cost of centering focus on themselves rather than the groups most impacted. Which leads to piss poor, band-aid solutions on problems that in effect sweep them under the rug rather than address the structural, systematic problems. It's been proven that white people are generally incapable of handling criticism or even discussion about racial issues, since society generally safeguards them from having to deal with these things, "leading to a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium." I don't think it's asking too much for allies to take a backseat and work on supporting or amplifying the voices of the most impacted communities rather than trying to speak for them or impose solutions that have been constructed based on outside experiences or vicarious assumptions. I'm glad to see people of all races assisting in the Ferguson protests, but I can't be mad at the folks on the ground who have had to deal with this poo poo for DECADES taking the extra time to make sure they're not being co-opted or marginalized. BigRed0427 posted:So...are there any good sources right now for keeping up with what's happening right now? Pretty much just twitter. MSM has decided to not cover this up until now besides snippets about riots or protests, although that might change tomorrow since some reporters got arrested today. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 06:12 |
Spiritus Nox posted:By punching some random-rear end guy the gently caress out? Yeah, that's what I'm defending in my post, the knock-out game. I don't think anyone is advocating for violence against random strangers. It's terrible that some random dude got beat up for basically being in the wrong place at the wrong time and it shouldn't have happened. Not excusing it, but emotions are probably running a bit high and people don't know who to trust or how to vent it. I hope it doesn't happen again, because it's wrong and because it hurts the image of the protests in the media.
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 06:20 |
Anorexic Sea Turtle posted:St. Louis is my home town, and I'm going to the national moment of silence in Boston tonight. I suggest y'all find yours and go too. Here's the link for the NMOS14 google doc, has info on events in almost every state: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y6bRJfwVL7JoJnxH8BN8O1p1ANXPEl5PjNMoELw54ME/preview?sle=true Also, for those not in STL who want to help, you can contribute to the fund set up to help his family deal with legal costs, funeral costs, etc: http://www.gofundme.com/justiceformikebrown (I think this is the legit one set up for the family, but it can't hurt to double check just to be sure before you dole out some cash). Honestly I'm tempted to blow off work for the next week and go up there. I have family in STL that I could stay with, and as dangerous as it might be, watching this from the sidelines is just too infuriating right now. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 15:28 |
SirKibbles posted:It's amazing how goons can miss the point consistently,there are white people in photos of the civil rights movement,there were White organizers so maybe just maybe you might be missing a point here? Had something similar happen at the NMOS is Austin. Had a good sized crowd, maybe 100-150 at the Capitol, did some chanting, a couple of folks spoke. One or two RCP people spoke, calling for "communist revolution" and got shut out pretty quick. Some white dude interrupted a black woman speaking about how she's afraid for her son's life with "all our lives are at stake" and got quickly shouted down and corrected. Other than that, it was a good event and the organizers seem to be carrying the momentum forward in applying pressure on the local government regarding incidents of police brutality here in Austin. Picture from the people showing up before the NMOS started:
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2014 15:43 |
Is it possible to turn this stupid loving chat off on the livestream? Edit: looks like if you press the "expanded view" button on the bottom right corner, the chat goes away.
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# ¿ Aug 16, 2014 07:20 |
People guarding the store that just got looted, apparently the looters got run off (mostly): https://twitter.com/SorahyaM/status/500527654538604544 https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/500527976900218880
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# ¿ Aug 16, 2014 07:22 |
Pomp posted:These guys own, and nobody outside of this stream is ever gonna hear Ugh, between the coverage of this and CNN's "race summit" with Don Lemon and Pharell, the news is going to be goddamned terrible tomorrow.
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# ¿ Aug 16, 2014 07:50 |
chitoryu12 posted:Did that happen with the Korean business owners in the 1992 Los Angeles riots? Kinda? There were reports of Korean business owners shooting at each other because one group would get to a group of stores early, set up a barricade, and then others business owners would try to get to their stores later and a shootoff would ensue until both groups figured out they were on the same side. It resulted in at least one death, that of Edward Song Lee, an 18 year old kid trying to help protect his families business who was killed by other Koreans who mistook him for a looter.
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# ¿ Aug 16, 2014 17:33 |
They really love that loving LRAD.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 03:40 |
Are there any streams that aren't behind the police line?
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 03:50 |
Press getting arrested for attempting to do their jobs now too: https://twitter.com/robcrilly
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 03:57 |
Mike Brown preliminary autopsy released: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&referrer=
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 04:05 |
sugar free jazz posted:That livestream is like some creepy loving dystopian society found footage horror movie, jesus christ. I bet the makers of those Purge movies are kicking themselves for missing out on this treasure trove of material.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 04:12 |
Police now saying earlier reports of shots fired turn out to be fireworks.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 04:44 |
FourLeaf posted:Tim Pool's feed just froze for me- both videos Still working for me.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 04:53 |
"There a dead white guy in the middle of Chambers, at least I think he's dead. He has a swastika tattoo on his arm." https://twitter.com/ModernLeftist2/status/501223349125931008
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 05:27 |
Apparently the dead body is from a car accident? Still, some dude with a swastika tattoo in Ferguson...can't be up to any good.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 05:29 |
For the first time, Amnesty International is deploying inside of the United States. http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/amnesty-international-takes-unprecedented-us-action-in-fergu#1pi4h63
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 05:47 |
Is there another working stream?
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 05:54 |
Media being ordered back to the pen. Two minutes to curfew.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 05:58 |
Goddamn Tim, stop recapping every 5 minutes.
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 03:19 |
Popular Thug Drink posted:which feed is the action feed, please link http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930 This is insanity. I cannot believe this is an American city in 20-goddamn-14.
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 03:52 |
You think they would've learned that the "and/or other actions" thing is really, REALLY not the thing this crowd wants to hear. And now you turn the LRAD on in front of all the press?
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 03:53 |
Arrgytehpirate posted:If this was a movie Antonio would be the one to die and set off a full blown war They better pray nothing happens to Antonio French, because he's basically the only person keeping things in check most of the time. God forbid some cop gets in an altercation with him, the whole place would explode.
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 04:00 |
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# ¿ May 17, 2024 07:03 |
This is the stupidest goddamn poo poo. None of this is helpful. Flanking maneuvers now?
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 04:03 |