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Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Javid posted:

At that point why don't they just make a movie instead of being crammed into an episodic format unnecessarily?

Gee, why would they not want to do a Daredevil movie? It seems so obvious... oh right...

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Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Her skills are also better than "world class facebooking skill". Coulson recruited her because she was such a competent hacker.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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For me, he's just an excuse to explore zany gadgets. Bring it!

vvv I'm pretty sure that's going to be a given.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Asimo posted:

Considering the Marvel cinematic universe is an entertainment juggernaut that makes billions upon billions of dollars, and Agents of SHIELD is an exceptionally convenient way to advertise the franchise and keep it in people's minds during the downtime between the films, it ain't going anywhere unless the ratings absolutely tank.

Exactly, and we'll probably see some bumps when the Marvel films and Netflix series start up.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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I actually liked his smirky jabs in Thor.

"Do you want me to take him down, or would you rather send in more guys for him to beat up?"

"You better call it Coulson, 'cause I'm starting to root for this guy."

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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muscles like this? posted:

The biggest problem with Simmons in Hydra was that it kept her from interacting with any of the other characters on a regular basis.

(except for Fitz :( )

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Error 404 posted:

I assumed he killed a lot of dudes on his way up, like too quick for them to call for help.

Me too, they were also packing things up and moving to a new location so it's not like the base was in full readiness mode. I'm more surprised that after the base was knowingly compromised that the higher ups were still chilling in the office instead of getting the hell out of Dodge.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Tarquinn posted:

So that makes two (almost) Black Widow level agents working for Coulson now?

She's a specialist taking Wards position. We've also never really seen Tripp go hand to hand.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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bobkatt013 posted:

I would be hilarious if she ends up being loyal/brainwashed by Hydra. Everyone who takes that job ends up being a traitor.

Yep, even May was reporting on him behind his back. Coulson even said something to this effect in the season finale. But honestly it kind of goes with the territory when dealing with super spies.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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bobkatt013 posted:

It would be hilarious that he is just a senator and nothing evil about him. That its just Wards delusions that he is evil.

Impossible. He's a Republican.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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SwissArmyDruid posted:

Bullet points:

* ...And that's a stick of Ram. Corsair Vengeance, that blue heatspreader is very distinctive. In a "device". Yes, because nobody knows what a modern motherboard looks like!
* SURPRISE WARD!
* Holy poo poo, I can't tell who's telling the truth
* Aww, Simmons is a Carter fangirl.
* Goddamnit, Whedon, fire your loving prop guy. Your blatant use of Corsair Vengeance mixed with some G.Skill plugged haphazardly into an ASUS motherboard with SATA cables everywhere in Fitz's "transceiver" IS RUINING MY IMMERSION.

This is actually explained in the episode. Fitz has to fit the transceiver onto a system that doesn't support it. The motherboard is the system. He's practicing on a mockup. The real mother board in the facility is probably a computer that helps relay the signal.

It actually makes sense. IMMERSION REPAIRED.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Regy Rusty posted:

"THAT'S NOT HER NAME! IT'S MARY SUE POOTS drat IT!"

I also really liked how when Bakshi killed himself and I immediately shouted "Oh come on they didn't check him for cyanide capsules!?" and then they immediately covered that.

I actually thought that was a hilarious cover. "Oh he put a capsule in his cheekbone! Good thing he wasn't viciously beaten a few times by May, Ward, and Bobbi. That could have been a very quick fight if they had done something crazy like punched him in the jaw!"

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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greatn posted:

I can understand thinking Ward didn't maybe, but why would you think Garret would? The purpose of the exercise was a test of Ward's loyalty and ability to follow orders and overcome his "weakness". Even if Ward failed the test the dog itself was meaningless. Its not like it knew the Busch's beans secret family recipe.

http://io9.com/how-soon-could-grant-ward-find-redemption-on-agents-of-1613606987

quote:

I know. It was supposed to be ambiguous. According to me, he did not. It's open to interpretation, but I'll answer that: No. Because it's irredeemable. You can't kill a dog! If you do that, you're just done. So, redemption arc? It's just going to be dead in the water. You can't kill a dog.

The actors himself believes Ward didn't kill the dog.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Xtanstic posted:

Goddamnit not this poo poo again. Can't we all just appreciate Crazy Ward for the crazy person that he is?

He's just not crazy enough without the beard.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Azhais posted:

Ward didn't do it. Other-Ward did it.

:doh:

Not a problem for... Double-Agent Man!

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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greatn posted:

Yeah and Chloe thinks Ward and Skye should be together, but they're just actors.

If you have someone from the show backing up your claim, lets see it. Until then, this is the information we have.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Deadpool posted:

You did. But don't worry you're not alone. For some reason. The visual cues were pretty clear but a lot of people missed it. For future reference, when you show a closeup of a character's face then flashback to a POV shot, then come right back to their face you're seeing their memory. Not the memory of someone else that wasn't even in the scene. I'm not sure where you and a handful of others got the Garrett thing from. Wishful thinking maybe? I dunno. But it was in no way shape or form Garrett.

The editing is poor and ambiguous. But that scene in no way makes the flashback->POV as clear as you say. It could very easily be Garrett, for one simple reason, because Ward didn't have a rifle when he let the dog go. And then there is all the other stuff that's been mentioned already.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Deadpool posted:

Go watch the scene again. It's very clear. It's a closeup of Ward in thought, then the rifle scope, then right back to his had releasing Fitz and Simmons that coincides with where the sound of the shot to the dog would be. It's actually very well edited and couldn't be more clear while keeping whether he pulled the trigger or not ambiguous.

It's really not clear, which is why we have been discussion this one scene for months. It follows Garrett's speech too asking him if this is "another weakness", like something Garrett will have to finish again.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Deadpool posted:

No again it is clear. In the previous scene Ward has the rifle and says "The dog takes off running every time I take a shot out here" which set up him firing a shot to make the dog run off. Garrett leaves Ward and does not take the rifle with him. It fits in perfectly with the visual editing of him not having the heart finish off Fitz and Simmons face to face, just like he couldn't with the dog in the same scene that's alternating through this part. I'm sorry you don't think that's clear, but it is.

Again, the actor who was in the scene said it wasn't. You can try to argue about how it fits into your preconceived ideas, but that scene says something else. It makes sense to me, it was Garrett who shot the dog.

Anyway, we are just retreading the same old arguments so, you can have the final word. I'm not arguing this again.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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AbsolutelySane posted:

He also said that killing the dog would mean there could be no redemption. At this point, he's killed at least 10 SHIELD agents, 4 FBI mooks, 3 Hydra goons, 1 Koenig, 3/5 of his own family , and 1/4 of Fitz's brain. It makes no loving difference if he killed the dog or not. There's not going to be any real redemption for Ward at this point. The writers are all but beating you in the head with it. I mean, Ward can believe in his own redemption, but he's psychotic. That seems to be the point, which is great, since it makes him an interesting character.


I don't know, he's loving obsessed with his family, Christian in particular. It was a pretty creepy way to lead his brother to his death, looking back on it, but it fits with crazy Ward. If it wasn't for Garrett, he probably would have tried to kill them again once he was released from juvie.

Dog stuff aside, if anyone can do a redemption arc it's probably Whedon (and his writing team). How many people did Spike kill on Buffy only to be the savior of the world at the end? Angel was in the same boat, evil/good/evil/good though his was usually caused by a macguffin. They even had an ancient demi-god bent on subjugating humanity they later called a smurf after she learned to love. I'm not saying they will do that with him, and I'm like many who like the Psycho Ward, but if anyone could it's probably this writing team.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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BlueBayou posted:

Maybe Ward will get cursed by gypsies and get a soul.

I'd be okay with that.

But only if he loses it everytime he gets nailed by May.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Bruceski posted:

All I know is that I'm glad they made his name easy to remember. It usually takes me ages to learn names of even real-life people, but Mack works on trucks and that's good enough for me. I still don't know what Trainspotting's real name is, when someone says it I can remember for about three minutes.

Hunter. Because he's poaching that rear end.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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CapnAndy posted:

I somewhat doubt they'll say "Inhuman" only because why would they? Like, unless it turns out that the other Inhumans call themselves that -- which, admittedly, they might -- it's not what I'd expect someone to come up with if they were just searching for a term to refer to the group. I mean... it's a kinda mean word, y'know?

I could see the showrunners wanting to incorporate the usage of the word into the show if only to get the audience use to the term before the movie.

As for the characters, there are lots of ways they could bring up the name.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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enraged_camel posted:

I think we'll see more of Whitehall. He didn't even attempt to defend himself when Cal was approaching him, and as someone with Hydra's resources he probably knows who Cal really is and what he is capable of. Which makes me think that stealing those organs gave him more than just a fountain of youth effect.

You mean other than pulling a gun on him???

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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EC posted:

Of course not, it's S.W.O.R.D. Although who knows if they're going to bring that into the MCU.

Wasn't the blonde agent/neighbor/nurse in Cap2 the head of S.W.O.R.D. in the comics?

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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I can't think of a better fight moment in recent cable TV than May head slamming agent 33 against the coffee table.

gently caress the haters.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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InspectorCarbonara posted:

Is Agent Carter supposed to tie in to the current series of Agents of Shield at all or is it going to be its own separate thing?

Given the cameos in AOS, it's a tie-in. But that doesn't mean it can't tell original stories.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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So who is Robert Gonzales in the marvelverse?

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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:captainpop:

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Rirse posted:

Didn't Captain America also feature Super Soldier Serum facility in a store run by a old lady who had a shotgun?

Tommy gun!

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Blazing Ownager posted:

For what it's worth, I agree with you on that. I'm pretty bummed it seems to be not doing great.

Isn't that kind of expected though? There is a reason we have winter breaks in TV seasons, because many people aren't watching it during those months.

Still hoping the execs realize this and plan another mini-series for the next long break.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Xtanstic posted:

I learned about this news from my Facebook Trending instead of this thread? Shameful.
(I forgot if guest casting are spoilers or not so I did it just in case)

http://www.tvinsider.com/article/384/marvels-agents-of-shield-sif-returns/
Sif is coming back! One of the few bright spots of the slow first half of Season 1.


Great, but do they really have to use the amnesia troupe? Especially followed by a "don't worry, it will be funny!" from the exec.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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achillesforever6 posted:

What I really hope for is the Warriors Three to show up, I mean at least Fandral can show up since Zach Levi is no stranger to TV

I would completely accept that.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Stand and Deliver was pretty iconic... south park did the parody.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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Kheldarn posted:

DC has decided to keep the TV Show and Movie Universes seperate.

Except there seems to be some bleed over for Supergirl.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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You both are right!

Darcy calls it Meow Meow in Thor.

And Mew Mew in Thor 2. :)

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
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sticklefifer posted:

And Jessica Jones in... October I guess now?

Rumor-mill says December.

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Burning_Monk
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Sopranos was pretty iconic.

"Woke up this morning... "

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