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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

What is that terrible shop, post the real one where the fish is eating Sakura!

UBW is the greatest, and as for Fate I could see UFOtable scouring it for a a little extra meat for this. It's not like they aren't as obsessed with this bullshit as we are.

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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Dick Spacious CPA posted:

yea plus the lesbian sex isnt even in this part

All the sexual elements have basically been nixed from Type Moon material these days now that they don't need money anymore.

Redcrimson posted:

As much as I'm looking forward to this, I have to admit UBW is probably my least favorite FSN route. 90% of UBW is Shirou and fighting, both of which are the least interesting things about FSN for me. It's basically just a typical Battle Shounen arc with superficial grimdark Nasuverse nonsense grafted onto it. It's all flash and platitudes.

It has almost no Sakura though so that's a plus.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Compendium posted:

It's only page 2 and this thread is almost a condensed version of Beast's Lair.

It'll only be a condensed version of BL when we get an entire splinter thread over waifu wars and also start translating the material.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

I believe RN changes the h-scene to Rin drawing a magic circle on Shirou's back or something to that effect. So yeah we won't be seeing Dolphins most likely.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Silver2195 posted:

I don't understand why they can't just handle these things with a fade to black instead of inventing weird new plot devices. Then again, I don't really understand why the VN market apparently requires sex scenes in the first place. :iiam:

The market isn't really like that anymore anyway, in large part thanks to TM itself.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

UBW scene is hilarious insofar as for once teen sex is a realistic shitshow wherein both act like fumbling morons. Still not needed at all though.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

The best Crow's Claw work was Light and Darkness though.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Rin's got the snake skin, Gilgamesh vs Rin confirmed as a possible canon timeline.


(you should read GvR if you've played the game)

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

People think Rin being a great big dork is new?

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

ViggyNash posted:

I was complaining that the big dork part of her was being underplayed for an out of character, cutesy tsundere act.

Presenting Rin isn't underplaying her being Rin.

also

ViggyNash posted:

I mean, the VN did make her (and every other female character) kinda slutty because they wanted to pornify it, but that's definitely not her core personality.
que

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Rin also has the objectively best Dojo Mode.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Vengarr posted:

I think the reason Mahoyo doesn't have any h-scenes is that Nasu is famously terrible at writing them, and he knows it.
Takeuchi actually wrote the h-scenes and the reason TM doesn't do them anymore is because they don't want to. In fact it turns out that many VN writers didn't want to, and after Type Moon gained enough capital to go without h-scenes they started hoovering up those disaffected writers. Meteor, for example.

Go watch Zvesda, Meteor is the best.


Scrree posted:

drat right.


Does anyone have that gif from Ilya's castle where Rin runs over Sakura while bumper dragging Archer?

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

I just don't even notice the blue jumpsuit anymore. Lancer looks how he looks, learn to love it. :v:

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Randomzx posted:

Wasn't the jumpsuit design a nod to how certain Celtic warriors often go into battle wearing nothing but warpaint?

Correct.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Everything about that OP is perfect (those Servants holy poo poo), but let's be real, the important thing is the Strongest Cat finally getting her proper due.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

MonsieurChoc posted:

Next Episode previews really should be replaced with Tiger Dojos.

Maybe they will once we get our proper Shirou episode :v:

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

There's also the part where some people still honestly believe that Shirou's arc is him getting over the misogyny he never had to start with.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

jrdbnta posted:

So? Express thoughts through actions and dialogue between characters.

The source material is essentially a book with HUGE amounts of internalized monologues, many of which have no clear visual substitute. Attempting to lazily sub in swordfights and cutting that stuff is part of what brought down the DEEN version.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Perhaps at some point Gil and Kotomine could menacingly walk in a circle around him and explain his own motivations to him.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Cutting down the church sequence means cutting down on Kotomine, which is not acceptable.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Squidster posted:

I haven’t read the VN, and all I’ve seen is Fate Zero, which I really enjoyed. I’m finding Fate/Stay night, so far at least, much ‘safer’ and more familiar. We have a tsundere decoy protagonist, a very normal sort of bland male hero with a Secret Power that lets him fight servants, and it’s all set in the incredibly overdone highschool setting.

Fate Zero was an exposition infodump nova at the start, but at the same time it immediately introduced a huge cast of oppositional characters with big obvious motivations. Rin’s drive to win, and Shirou’s drive to be nice haven’t been shown to be as destructive, and well, as interesting. They’re stock anime good guys.

Now Shirou, who has the anime protagonist power of magic sword, has been paired with a submissive king. Sure, maybe Saber’s pretending and playing a role, but without the context of Fate Zero she’s just a sword-wielding doormat without any hint of conflict or personality. I understand that this is not her story, but… she’s going to be beside the main character for the rest of the show. People in the thread have talked about them cutting the ‘omg a girl is fighting’ conflict, and even though that is a really *stupid* conflict, it’s at least a dynamic of some kind.

People talk about this series as if there’s great writing down the pipe and ideal clash, etc., so I’m taking their word for it and sticking with it. But in the 2 hours of show I’ve seen, it’s just decent shonen action in the vein of Scryed.

This is the perfect example of why starting with FZ is bad.

Kubla Khan posted:

My problem with going into F/Z fresh was being unable to feel anything for the main characters. Kiritsugu (kill one, save two!) didn't seem human. Kirei was downright evil. Paired up with Gil (graded A+ for obnoxiousness) the final showdown was more of a 'let's get it over with, we gotta wrap this up somehow' than me caring about it one way or another.

Once I'm done with HF route (I'm trying to pace myself) I'll probably rewatch F/Z, though. I think it will fit better now that I'm hooked into the whole shindig and I've learned more about Kiri and Kirei to care about their past.

The ufotable adaptation's pace is definitely off, I agree. I'm still enjoying it as a way to re-experience F/SN, though. The fights so far have been absolutely breathtaking.
I'd actually suggest you read the original book+Heart of Freaks if you're going to go back into Fate Zero. The show, as we've already kind of discussed, cuts a lot of narration and stuff that gives context to things, particularly the thoughts of Kiritsugu and Kirei.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Squidster posted:

In the pudding before potatoes sense?
In that Fate Zero was written second and is explicitly aimed at those who already played through Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel, as Urobuchi himself said repeatedly. It's a companion piece, treating FSN like it's a sequel is being mistaken. It's also much more of an action series, a lot of FSN itself is a slow burn, with people skulking around in the shadows and having intense conversations inside their own heads, contrasting Zero's ridiculous F14 Dogfights. It's not like FSN is something you have to suffer through to get to FZ (FSN is better than FZ, for one thing), but you still shouldn't do Zero first.

LiquidRain posted:

:catstare:

Some of us have not watched anything Fate. Or read anything Fate. Or even know what Type/Moon is.
None of that is a spoiler for the next episode, that all happens in Fate, not Unlimited Blade Works. Well, I guess he spoils that we're going to fight Berserker next episode but that's hardly a surprise.

e: Also the "omg girls can't fight" thing was never true, it's not a conflict of Fate, it's something idiots say because they don't pay attention to Shirou's actual character (the same people, I imagine, who complain that Shirou's not as "Cool" as Kiritsugu).

Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Oct 19, 2014

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Pierson posted:

I want to know how much of this is the translation team and how much of it is just awful, awful writing.

Well that particular one is a photoshop, as is any you'll see with "I cast +5 Reinforcement on my dick."

It doesn't matter though, since the porn aspect of this franchise has been dead for many years now, it's certainly not relevant to this show.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Butt Frosted Cake posted:

WTF Tohsaka's anus isn't a photoshop it's legendary.

There's so many fake Nasu h-scene mockups I no longer remember what is real anymore, aside of the mollusk and seaweed ones (well that and if you believe Takajun he bullshitted a bunch of the h-scene translations, but then you have to start taking Takajun at face value).

In any case I'm glad we don't get them anymore!

Beef Waifu posted:

If ufotable's career at this point is just adapting Tyoe-Moon stuff then that'd be cool.
Girl's Work will happen. I believe in Meteor!

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

CottonWolf posted:

I can see why Taiga buys it. I mean, why wouldn't you? But Sakura buying it given what she knows has always made no sense whatsoever. Though given Sakura, I wouldn't be surprised if it was really: "I know she's a servant, but I'm not going to do meantion anything about it because that might make Shirou not like me."

That is precisely the case.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I still want to see a scene with them just hanging out and being friends because I can never imagine it

Maybe there's another Fate game that shows this!

(play HA it's super dumb and great)

e: also yeah Rin gets all the girls and all the boys

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Looks only

Lancer (FANGS FANGS FANGS)>Kirei>Gil>Archer>Waver>Kiri>Shirou>Avenger>Diarmuid>Lancelot when he's not losing his poo poo

Caster>Iri>Rider>Taiga>Maiya>Baz>Karen>Rin>Saber

Nobody else is particularly worth mentioning in the main series.

jellycat posted:

Excuse me, my magic resistance is high enough to negate a curse of that level. Please do not insult my pure love for Diarmuid. :colbert:

There's nothing pure about loving Diarmuid: he's 100% bullying material.

Pretty drat good bullying material though. The really baffling people to me are the ones that are into Alex, he just looks like a gigantic Muppet.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

jellycat posted:

Alex is pure bara material, but I will not sully this poor innocent thread with my fujoshi trash any further.

What is this thread for, if not for constantly toeing a line? :v:

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Rin wants to be Gilgamesh, which is why everyone should read e: not the TM general :downs:

Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Nov 23, 2014

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Hollow Ataraxia is a game in which Shirou goes shopping, only to run into Caster and Sakura, who made friends when Caster deep fried Lancer for creeping on Sakura. Sakura then launches into a lengthy rant about Rin while pretending (badly) that she's talking about Akiha (Shirou believe this because :downs:).

HA is loving weird (also great, play HA).

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Kojirou :syoon: Team Caster has always been my favorite faction.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Phobophilia posted:

I missed the rampant cheating of the last war.
You are going to look back on this post and laugh.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

I wonder how people who talk about how cool Kiritsugu was miss that part of the entire point of the franchise is underlining that Kiritsugu's methods were cruel and ultimately meaningless.

Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Nov 23, 2014

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Genocyber posted:

Saying "It get's better" means nothing fyi.
Yeah how dare something try to set itself up for later, gratify me instantly.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

There are at least two in the franchise.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Sophism posted:

Get Takeuchi on the line, we have our next spin-off's Jack.

I forget, who actually designed Jack anyway?

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

organism posted:

C'mon Saber-chan, I obviously can't let you sleep within 100 feet of me because all men are uncontrollable rape-monsters who will seek out literally any opportunity to violate you the instant you let your guard down.

Shirou avoids female contact in a futile attempt to avoid his fate of being abducted and becoming a kitchen slave :v:

Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Dec 6, 2014

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

anglo saxon, like all great historical figures

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Unlimited Blade Works is the second part of a story. Fate Zero is the FIFTH part of that story. Fourth if you don't count Hollow Ataraxia. If you want to know why you aren't being instantly gratified, there's your answer.

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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Squidster posted:

Is this the equivalent of "oh, sure, the first 3 season of Babylon 5 are garbage, but you gotta watch them to appreciate the genius of the 4th!" ? How many days of delay are we talking?

No, because FSN is better than FZ.

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