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Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

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emanresu tnuocca posted:

http://mekomit.co.il/%D7%9C%D7%90-%...A0%D7%99%D7%9D/

I assume an English translation will appear soon enough on 972 but this is interesting and damning so I'll post my own summary

Something else I thought was worth adding from the rules of engagement bit:

quote:

did anyone object or protest this directive?
"The company was generally very disgruntled about rules of engagement. The Company Commander almost apologized every time he said we can't shoot. So when he said we can shoot an unarmed assailant most of the company was ok with that."

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Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

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No ring. :colbert:

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Crowsbeak posted:

:vince:
Now that we are done with the MIGF beatdown I would like to hear what the Israeli posters thoughts are on the coming election could Likud lose seats?

Lapid's Yesh Atid and Livni's Hatnua are likely to crash and burn. I reckon about 2/3 of those votes will be split between Haavoda and Likud with the rest going to Liberman and Bennet. But I'm an optimist :shobon: .

Bear Retrieval Unit
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On a lighter note, Lieberman's statement that he is not out right rejecting sitting in the same government as Hertzog and Livni has caused a bunch of Likud members to accuse him of being a lefty.

Bear Retrieval Unit
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Barry Convex posted:

This is apparently a full-page ad in the NYT today. Nothing new for those who are familiar with the usual rhetoric, but pretty vile nonetheless.


A progressive utopia.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.601759

Bear Retrieval Unit
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Absurd Alhazred posted:

emanresu, what do you think is the actual public view of Hannibal as a doctrine, beyond the legal issue? On the one hand, we're talking about making sure we can keep those bloody-handed terrorists in prison, on the other, this is the life of the most sacred soul to an Israeli Jew: our brave little baby JesusJewish soldier.

There's a reason they teach you “Let me die with the Philistines” since kindergarten. The only thing better than a living Jewish soldier is one who dies in glorious combat in the name of The Emperor The Jesish Homeland. Hannibal is one of the things everyone knows about and accepts without really thinking of. If you ask the average person what he thinks about it you'll get a reluctant sigh followed by "there's no choice" at best.

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

And maybe there will be peace by the time she is old enough, and there will be no need for the draft. :unsmith:

Not bloody likely. :smithicide:

That's the lie my mother used when I was old enough to realize how hosed up a draft is.

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Elotana posted:

So I'm looking at the polls for this Israeli election, and can an Israeli or just a better-informed poster explain to me how in the gently caress Zionist Camp has a path to 61 seats even if they eke out a narrow victory over Likud? Because it looks like they're doomed from the start.

Unless some drastic shift happens they don't. The only change they have is if right wing in-fighting causes Bibi to try and make a deal with them. The reason they're talked up as a credible threat to Bibi is the same reason Romney got talked up last election, it's hard to get good ratings when there's no real competition.

Bear Retrieval Unit fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jan 30, 2015

Bear Retrieval Unit
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Jesus loving Christ.

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You've been gone for a long time if you think any of this makes Bennet look bad to Israeli eyes. All They would read is how treacherous lefties needlessly provoked a group of good ol' boys and got their comeuppance.

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

You're talking like there's one set of "Israeli Eyes". This is definitely getting traction among lefties and LGBT's, we'll see what this does to people in "the center".

Lefties and and the LGBT community aren't the voters who need to be swayed and the :airquote:center:airquote: couldn't care less about LGBT issues. At best it will convince some people to vote for Bibi or Liberman over Bennet, which matters gently caress all.

Bear Retrieval Unit
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I wouldn't put Yesh Atid solely on the left, despite everything I won't put it past them to go back to working with Bibi.

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Xandu posted:

God I hope tentacles of terror becomes a thing.

Debate & Discussion: We tortured some folks > I/P: Ahmadinejad Death Tentacle Rape Whorehouse

Bear Retrieval Unit
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emanresu tnuocca posted:

particularly considering Sharon was an atheist.
:pwn:

For real?

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loquacius posted:

Obligatory reminder that Israel does not share America's correlation between political conservatism and religious fervor, and that Zionism started as a socialist movement.

Early Zionizm what what passes for Zionizm today are entirely different things. And while Israeli candidates don't have to say "god bless Israel" at the end of every speech to pay lip service, an openly atheist candidate would get an unbelievable amount of poo poo from almost the entire right wing and a significant part of the :airquote:center:airquote: be it the Haredi parties, the settlers, or just traditional people. I found the claim that Sharon being was atheist so surprising because I don't remember anything like that happening.

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emanresu tnuocca posted:

I'm not that sure about that, Barak is clearly an atheist, Ben Gurion was one too, as I said maybe they were agnostic on some level but no Israeli prime minister to date was a religious person, not religious in the sense of being an observant Jew like say Naftali Bennett but also not religious in the sense of having strong religious beliefs a-la George W. Bush, splitting hairs irt to their exact stance concerning the almighty we could perhaps argue about this but they were all clearly secular, didn't observe the sabbath (most important Mitzvah) and the such, if you want to consider them as existing in the twilight zone of 'not actually practicing jew but having strong jewish superstitions' and it makes a difference for you what can I say, I tend to view most secular jews as atheistic/agnostic on some level. I think we can both agree that Arik didn't ascend the temple mount due to his own personal religious zeal.

The way it feels to me at least is that while it doesn't really matter in practice, people still make the distinction between not religious and flat out atheist. Can't really explain it, I guess it's some kind of "out of sight out of mind" thing. I really don't think a candidate who'd openly declare he doesn't believe in a god won't get a bunch of his opponents shouting about what a bad Jew he is and how better they are at Judaism than him.

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emanresu tnuocca posted:

I just had some dude call me a Nazi who's spreading antisemitic leftist propaganda cause I deny the fact that Israel had already made territorial compromises when it gave up on its divinely sanctioned territory east of the jordan river.

:psyduck:

Did you explain to him you can't be antisemitic, only a self-hating jew?

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4637898,00.html

To the surprise of no one, Likud admits it released a forged tape of Moshe Kahlon (Kulanu) endorsing Bibi.

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Volkerball posted:

Is anything changing at all if these exit polls hold up, or did they just dissolve the government and hold early elections for nothing?

We traded Lapid for Kahlon and the Hardis :shrug:

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:laffo:
http://z.ynet.co.il/short/content/2015/elections_chairs/default.aspx
Make your own coalition. From top to button:
Likud
Zionist Camp
Joint List
Yesh Atid
Kulanu
Jewish Home
Shas
UTJ
Meretz
Isral Beytenu

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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:

:laffo:
http://z.ynet.co.il/short/content/2015/elections_chairs/default.aspx
Make your own coalition. From top to button:
Likud
Zionist Camp
Joint List
Yesh Atid
Kulanu
Jewish Home
Shas
UTJ
Meretz
Isral Beytenu

Holy poo poo it won't let you put Likud and the joint list together.

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Volkerball posted:

hahaha. what's the translation of the pop up when you try to do it?

"You've picked an illogical combination because the Liud won't sit wit the Joint List". It also does it with The Jewish Home and Israel Beitenu and even does it for Meretz and the Jewish Home.

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dorkasaurus_rex posted:

So... Let's build a ton of settlements until the end of time, then?

Also, this just happened:


Aren't the polls not even closed yet?

Nah they closed about an hour ago. And tbh the fucker did pretty much win.

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

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Well gently caress this morning.

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Avshalom posted:

i find it improves my erotic fiction gimmick if people legit don't know what gender i am, having a male name is all part of my unconventional charm

I'm honestly disappointed by this reveal. The thought of Sharon's ghost engaging in some hot man love is much more satisfying.

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emanresu tnuocca posted:

So as a couple of days ago I said that election fraud usually isn't such a big deal in Israel... well, I mean it's not time to put on the tinfoil hats yet but a story has been making the rounds in the Israeli social media today which might be of some interest.

In the ballot at the kibbutzim of Eliphaz and Samar the official observer published the voting results as they were counted by the local committee, they skewed heavily towards the left with 82 votes going to the Zionist Union and 60 votes going to Meretz out of a total of 194 voters. Liberman got exactly 3 votes.


Strangely enough, on the official tally on the website of the central voting committee, Meretz received a grand total of 0 votes, while Liberman received 60, as seen here: http://votes20.gov.il/cityresults?cityID=1156 (ל signifies Liberman votes, מרץ for Meretz votes).

Somewhat peculiar.

And I'm still very curious as to why Liberman received thousands of votes in the Druze towns though that is more likely attributed to simple bribery.

We had a pirate party?

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

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Bibi, Hertzog, Kahlon, Lapid coalition :getin:

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Nov 5, 2009

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quote:

Socially speaking, I’m against socialism, believe in working and making money, not supporting unions. I’m for privatizing the whole country.
-Avi Arbeli, 39, Web actor, Kiryat Malakhi
lol

Bear Retrieval Unit
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Absurd Alhazred posted:

I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, but two Israeli artists associated with the left have been in the news recently: Yehonatan Gefen was actually assaulted in his home while Ahinoam Nini was merely threatened, with the offenders citing Geffen's treatment as an example.

It may be a coincidence, but I had the dubious pleasure of watching a right-wing "satire" show called "Everything Is Under Judicial Review" (הכל שפיט, a term associated with former chief of Israel's High Court, Aharon Barak, who is hated by the right for allegedly overstating the authority of that court): there a stand-in for BDS activist artists, Amy Boycott, cited Ahinoam Nini as the only actual name of a Jewish friend she could come up with.

Don't forget the Rapper turned nazi "The Shadow" openly threatening Asaf Avidan while suffering no backlash what so ever.

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Is this recent? I only remember him and his goon squad attacking leftists during protests last summer.

A week ago: http://www.haaretz.co.il/gallery/music/1.2590290
I couldn't find any english source, the jist of it is Avidan saying he wants to be seen as an artist, not an Israely artist, and The Shadows's response is a bunch of nationalist bullshit ending with this gem: "I suggest you hire a body guard next time you're in Israel because it's getting scary over here, even more scary after this article. loser."

Bear Retrieval Unit fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 22, 2015

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Radish posted:

They're really pissed about the Samurai Pizza Cats dub.

That dub was amazing and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

Ralepozozaxe posted:


The real question is why would India have bad opinions on Israel? What heinous poo poo did Israel do to one of the only parts of the world to happily accept Jewish migrants in history (ancient history to be exact)?

India is a favorite traveling location for Israelis who finish their military service. Israeli tourist are notoriously lovely, now take that and add to it the dickishness of a kid in his early 20s who feels he's now entitled to do whatever the gently caress he want in order to blow off steam after being in the army for 3 years.

Bear Retrieval Unit fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Mar 24, 2015

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

UTJ are ideologically opposed to sitting as actual ministers, because they oppose the sinful Zionist state as a matter of principle.

Still held in higher regard than those treacherous lefties.

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Hey folks, just a head's up, after leaving this thread in a huff about a month ago, I've now been made mod and this is probably going to be a thread I will be focusing on. For those of you who don't know me, I'm an Israeli expat but extremely left wing (at least in Israeli terms).

Here is my conception of how discussion ehre will proceed:

Considering the shitshow that is the current government, the vulgar brutality of the occupation regime in the West Bank, the maintenance of Gaza as an open-air prison, and a myriad of racist legal and quasi-legal practices inside the Green Line, I am sure those of you who want can find many substantiated atrocities to cry foul over, and I encourage that. I will not, however tolerate blatant pushing of conspiracy theories and antisemitism.

As for people promoting what is usually referred to as a "pro-Israel" stance, I personally am not going to probate/ban you just for saying outrageous things, as long as you argue for them well. But I am going to have a low tolerance for rehashed Hasbara talking points, and definitely for bigotry towards Arabs, Jews of a descent you don't like, African asylum seekers, Muslim generally or specifically of some sect, Christians, Europeans, etc. Many of my ancestors were murdered in the Holocaust or suffered the rigors of the Pale of Settlement, and their descendents helped build Israel, for better or for worse, but that is no excuse for being bigoted assholes towards non-Jews now out of some misplaced sense of entitlement. Keep that under control, at least here.

Now that that's out of the way, feel free to report what you think are excesses, PM me about issues, etc. I'm here to help make this thread work.

עוד דוגמא להתנהגות האנטי דמוקרטית של הסמול הבוגדני

congrats :toot:, hopefully this thread becomes readable again.

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The amount of tears over this is amazing.

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Xandu posted:

So amazing how the first reaction is it's antisemitism. It was kind of a weird statement to make, though. "Hey Arabs, we'd really stop doing business with Israel if we could, but you know, lawsuits." It is the fist example of a large company adding a bit of support to the BDS movement, though.

Crying antisemitism is a reflex reaction at this point. My favorite part is how we kicked it up a notch by demanding the French government condemn a private company because they chose to do something Israel doesn't like. Can't find an english source atm but ynet is reporting the guy is trying to back out of his statements which is a real shame.

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Can't find an english link, my own translation of things that were recorded being said to the family of one of the two assumed to be in Gaza by the government's representative:

quote:

You have two options: Point your finger at Hamas and say "You hold Abra, you're in charge of his fate, give him back to us we want to know he's alive". That's option one. Your second option is to move your fingre from Hamas to Jerusalem and say "you' re not ok, you let him pass, you didn't answer our letters". The choice is yours, I have my stance in this. What will help Israel, what will help Abra and what will help Hamas. You pick and you will be accountable.
I will say this in the harshest way possible, Whoever tries making Abraham's story about Israel's treatment of Ethiopians, is gonna keep him in in Gaza for another year.
After the father asked if Bibi will negotiate:

quote:

I don't know if I should answer, because what happened here with the prime minister is very serious. So serious I have no words to describe it. And then the first thing the prime minister hears is that we didn't return his letters? I don't know if I want to answer you, go to whoever you want.

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Between Beit El and this attack, Bennet must have the biggest boner right now.

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Two houses were set on fire. One was vacant, the other had a family in it. A baby died, his 4 years old brother is still in ICU, the father is in critical condition and the mother is in shock. Bibi, Yaalon, Bennet and other officials have called it terrorism.

Sadly even if the fucks who did it get caught, that would be the end of it. As usual there will be no retrospect of how things got this bad, no one will talk about the years of open incitement or about the state turning a blind eye to the Pogroms committed by settlers against Palestinians. Just like with Abu Khdeir this will all go down as the act of a few "wild weeds" as people here like to say, and no one will learn a goddamn thing.

Bear Retrieval Unit fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jul 31, 2015

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Apparently the following has been making the rounds of right-wing social media:



This is President Rivlin. The title says: "Reuven Rivlin a traitor kike may his name and memory be erased"

This was about the time, 20 years ago, when then Prime Minister Rabin was shown in a kufiya. That November he was assassinated.

At least they moved up from SS uniforms :unsmith:

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Bear Retrieval Unit
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CommieGIR posted:

Pretty much, the current theory is that Israel is denouncing the attacks to make themselves more presentable looking to the ICC.

Thinking the ICC has anything to do with it is really farfetched. It's pretty much just that despite the Israeli public's massive shift to the right, things still haven't got to the point where a politician can go out shout "YES! BURN THE CHILD!" to the cheers of the crowd. I'd give it 3-4 more election cycles.

Bear Retrieval Unit fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Aug 3, 2015

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