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MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Jealous Cow posted:

"luxury watch" and "materials cost" are pretty much unrelated. I think people are assuming Apple will model their pricing after stuff like this.

Yeah the real answer is "what the market will bear" and all we have to go on are the gold watches that already exist. Getting sucked into the materials cost and assuming that's all there is seems foolish. You still have the cost of development, rejiggering the stores however they want, and presumably some ongoing labor for the high rollers too.

Edit: plus I don't think the sort of market typically interested in gold watches usually cares if it's 5-10k. If those numbers make your eyes roll then the whole product category of gold watches isn't meant for you.

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MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Rabble posted:

Especially when the Air is more powerful and has more ports.

The air screen isn't IPS or retina though.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Rabble posted:

I understand that other people have other needs but IMO a macbook should be more focused on processing power and useability (ports). The new MacBook is more like what the Air was when it was first announced rather than the middle child between an Air and a Pro.

That's pretty much exactly what the 13 MBP is good at then, which makes it good those aren't going away yet!

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Endless Mike posted:

You people post like you've never used your phone for a boarding pass. TSA doesn't give a poo poo.

EDIT: They don't look at your phone. When you scan the QR code, it pulls all the info up and you hand over your ID to make sure it's you.

They're the people that never actually go anywhere.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Ziploc posted:

Wait poo poo. Why is there a new ATV? I bought my sister the previous gen for Christmas.

There isn't, it's just cheaper now $69.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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The Devil Tesla posted:

Why are you guys still talking about watches when their laptop stuff is honestly like loving shocking. They apparently believe so much in the new, non-clicky, Force Touch trackpad that they didn't just put it in the new macbook but in the retina Macbook Pros as well. I'm really curious about how it feels if it's not just good for a thin laptop, but apparently better than what already was the best trackpad in any laptop. Really loving skeptical but there are some new features in the trackpad (like vibrating when you snap something into place) that I guess they wanted all their retina laptops to do. It looks like the butterfly switches aren't making it over to the pros however, which makes me less excited about how those feel.

It's pretty clear the MBP/MBA for this generation is just the broadwell bump. Minimal effort, same design but better CPUs. Swapping out the keyboard for the new stuff is probably more work than they wanted to do.

You can probably expect to see the new keyboard across the line within a year or 2 at most.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Bottom Liner posted:

It can't be used without the phone for fitness tracking that requires GPS, etc. It says so on the site;

If you're not overly concerned with GPS tracking, it should work just fine without a phone. It's been said that you can load up music on it and then go for a run without the phone.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Rabble posted:

Was talking with the Apple guy in the store the other day and he reiterated the fact that the Apple Watch Edition is only going to be sold in "high profile" stores or whatever. I still think a 10-17k smartwatch is dumb and it matches up with their decision to change the MacBook into an utraportable while leaving the Air alone.

Probably going to get flamed for this but I'm not quite sure of the direction Tim Cook is taking apple in. I don't see the Apple Watch trying competing with a ten thousand dollar pure gold mechanical timepiece because the kinds of people who put that money down do it for vanity or as an investment. A ten thousand dollar apple watch is still the same bits and pieces as the $350 sport wrapped in a bit of gold and everyone knows that. A rolex or whatever has internals and features that puts it above a $12 casio quartz. Apple trying to insert themselves in the high end watch market isn't really their business model and it shows in how they presented the device in the first place.

Nobody gives a poo poo about the $10k watch. The edition could crash and burn and it would have no bearing at all on the rest of the platform.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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I kind of hate to bring up the watch edition talk again, but ben thompson (tech blogger/analyst guy) is bullish on the watch and doesn't think the edition pricing is outlandish.

https://twitter.com/monkbent/status/576174418012995584

quote:

The reasons "Switzerland is f***ed" is because Apple just undercut the $5,000 stainless steel part of the market by 90%.

(scroll up his replies to see the full thread)

His main points are basically:
-it's ok if the apple watch doesn't last forever
-sometimes wealthy people just want jewelry/status symbols
-if you don't understand why a rich person might want it, it's not really your place to say the product shouldn't exist

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Yeah I think part of his point was that the real action is in the mid-tier and that's where you might see some sales shifting around from the apple watch.

I agree with some of the points being made here too; if you believe there are some people with grossly more money than sense then they're not limited by an either/or when it comes to gold watches.

Edit: it's fun to debate but really it doesn't matter until April. Until then I'm curious what reviews will say and then how normal people end up reacting; I suspect many of us are not the target market anyhow for smart watches.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Rastor posted:

I have to say, I'm coming around to the theory that the Apple Watch was designed for China.

If you want a culture that loves showing off materialism, modern China is a pretty good bet.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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I've spent $200 on jawbone devices that I'm ultimately meh on. I liked the features and the idea of fitness tracking, but the jawbone's not that great. $349 on a device I'll actually use seems reasonable to me. The sport watch fitness stuff appeals to me, but I'm not especially bothered at the prospect of leaving the phone and losing GPS.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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eltoozero posted:

Wait, is there a bluetooth more awesome than the ERA?

I'm pissed they ditched the tap tap to end calls from the "old" ERA cause that was legit cool.

That's actually a real inquiry masked in a false misunderstanding.

I call my current setup "handcuffs" because I'm wearing an UP24 and a pebble on opposite wrists.

I've been wearing a smartwatch since high school, in '98. Ironman Triathalon with Data-Link represent.

Never got a Fossil PalmOS watch or a SPOT though.

Space black steel looks to be my jam, price tag be damned, "diamond like" means like diamonds to me am I right?

Oh I only have the up24. The first up was just the worst, I don't think I've ever had a consumer product break on me more than the UP. The up24 isn't much better - it broke on me once too. Ultimately I just stopped wearing it because using the app to get any information out of it was just too clunky. Having a screen on device is more useful than I expected, plus I found it lacking compared to say Fitbit's.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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RVProfootballer posted:

I liked the part where they started working on it just because, and trusted they'd find reasons why it would be useful to anyone during the process. Also the part where they thought making presses of different pressures do different things, like hiding app-specific idiosyncratic settings behind an undiscoverable gesture like "press harder." It's like the old Android menu button but worse; try pressing on every screen to see what settings are hiding there, no not a normal press, a HARD press! Also that the font is blocky with rounded edges ~just like the watch~ lol.

Though I actually genuinely like the part where they say they focused on making your interactions with the watch only 5-10 seconds, because it shouldn't just be a small-screened iPhone strapped to your wrist like so many people seem to think. You shouldn't be scrolling through your twitter feed on your tiny watch when your phone is in your pocket.

I guarantee you a lot of the first round of apps will end up being like this though.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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MyFaceBeHi posted:

Apple EyePhone: What Could Be More Retina Than YOUR Retina!

Retail price: One (1) Eyeball.

Pretty sure I saw a futurama about that.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Super Dude posted:

Unfortunately their crazy profit margins have hampered their ability to deliver the latest technology has to offer. There was some pretty crazy battery technology at CES (organic batteries, 2,000 mAh recharge in 3 minutes!), but it would eat up so much money. I understand that they have shareholders to answer to, but so much more could be done if they cut those margins.

There's also the question of timing. Asking for something that was just shown at CES to be manufactured at apple-scale in April is…probably impossible.

edit: even if you were talking about poo poo from CES 2014, considering the level of vaporware for the really neat stuff it's probably the same problem.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Even buying a watch at Costco requires an employee hover with you.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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I <3 you star war sex parrot.

edit: I am also curious what watch nerds think of it, but it doesn't seem like they got review units so April 24 it is.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Dirk Pitt posted:

Fire Angela Ahrendts
I'm sure the title of this thread is a bit extreme but hear my reasoning prior to casting judgement. What makes Apple different than any other tech company? Loyalty! Customers actually looked forward to product launches and waiting in line for a chance to be an early adopter. This product launch is a complete joke! So yes I woke up about Ten minutes late and have to wait until 5/13-5/27. That is not the primary reason I'm upset. I don't like that Katy Perry, Pharell, Drake, Beyoncé are all running around with a watch. Steve Jobs would have fired whoever gave the product out prior to the actual release. That is terrible advertising anyway. I guarantee that I ( the loyal Apple customer) have spent more on Apple products than any of the people named above. I'm sure Dr Dre is out running around giving out the watch to these people while being escorted by his thug posse. What a Joke having that guy as an executive anyway. This company's appearance is changing in a bad way. There are so many ways this product launch are a terrible future for Apple. Apple wouldn't be what it is today without its retail partners and it's pretty obvious that they are cutting them all out of the profit by only selling it on the Apple Store online. I'm venting because they obviously released the watch the same day as the Samsung s6 just to try and sway a few but not because they were ready to launch

Please tell me this is macrumors.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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DJCobol posted:

Not so accurate for weightlifting. I would spike to 140ish during squats, but 30 seconds into cool down between sets it would show as 70-80 bpm. Some of it may have been caused by the watch slipping down my wrist a little bit, so next time I'm going to move it up higher and snug it up a little more and see how it does.

Yeah make sure it's pretty snug for a good read. The whole thing's based on LEDs so I imagine it won't work super well if there's an air gap.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Macrumors is saying both black models are sticking to their original dates, so that's a bummer :(

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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fordan posted:

Mine was a "black model." 42mm Space Gray Apple Watch Sport with Black Sport Band.

Yeah I'm being improper with the names; I'm figuring when I say "black sport" everyone knows that really means space grey or "black" that it also includes the SS. :)

Either way I'm preparing to wait out the full delay :(

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

So I don't know anything about technology, but wouldn't a smaller watch cost more than a big watch due to the increased difficulties in producing it? I understand selling the bigger watch for more since obviously that is what most people will be wanting to buy, but all things being equal and capitalism aside, should the smaller watch cost more than the larger one?

Presumably the screen and battery might cost more for the 42mm, but yeah the manufacturing cost does seem like it'd be higher on a 38.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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RVProfootballer posted:

Why? Is the 42 not just the same guts as the 38 with a slightly bigger casing, battery, and display?

Smaller stuff requiring more effort to jam into the small space, more time for the workers to do it, etc? I am obviously not a manufacturing person at all so I'm just spitballing here. It's possible Chinese factories are so good at this stuff regardless.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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io_burn posted:

If you want truly objective reporting on Apple look no further than http://daringfireball.net

I know you're trolling but I think he's actually better the people give him credit for. I consider him a partisan that's not afraid to say when something is bad. When he goes deep into being a fan boy you get weird things like that middle school story in his apple watch review though.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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weese36 posted:

I returned mine after being frustrated with how slow it was and how inconsistent the wrist tilt activation was. The recent update was aimed at improving those two things. How are people finding it?

I also disliked not being able to remove apps from the home screen. I would've been a lot happier if I could've pared down the icons to 6-7 actually useful things. Not holding my breath for that one though.

Apple's definitely on to something though and I'll probably buy the next version once it's not so slow.

Are you trying to hide the apps or just uninstall them? You can uninstall, but there's nothing like folders and definitely no hiding.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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eltoozero posted:

You tried the leather classic buckle?

Cause that strap is dope; leather is so super primo my "real" watch buddy was like "this is super nice leather".

Actually he had positive comments about all the straps, sport was soft and smooth, link was impressive for re-sizing, slimness, and the pure mechanics of it.

Really? I tried the classic buckle and the leather felt kinda cheapish to me. You could've told me it was pleather and I would've believed you.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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benisntfunny posted:

Point is... They release a public beta with no supported method to go back. It's no different than the watch in support. There just isn't an unsupported method for the watch.

I think OS X has a pretty well supported method of going back, but yeah iOS is generally meant to only go forward.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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coldplay chiptunes posted:

Their numbers are estimations based on their data applied to a larger subset.

Just because you don't have a Neilsen ratings box on your TV doesn't mean you're not included in their totals.

I mean it's clearly just a rough estimate and the actual number could vary wildly, but there's a reason their data is reported by all the reputable sites. It's not like they're just scanning their data and going "well looks like we've got 1.2 million Apple Watch receipt emails so I guess that means they've sold exactly 1.2 million of them so far!"

Yeah but the 90% number was reported without the context that they have no visibility into retail. They even acknowledge that, but you know tech journalism.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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MarcusSA posted:

Oh good god why did I do that?

The guy that writes the term paper length screeds is just amazing. It's so long that I think he genuinely believes all of it. I can't imagine a troll being that dedicated.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Endless Mike posted:

Does anyone have a black Sport Watch? How is the finish holding up?

Holds up pretty well, even better if you're not a klutz like me and accidentally hit it against walls. I have a few small dimples on the case from that and one tiny scratch on the glass.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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pipebomb posted:

Pedantphiles

And my watch is sold, at a loss, because apple is evil like Google and uber.

I'm kind of boggled that you bought something like a dozen watch bands. I get that part of the point is bands are easy to swap out but you really should not have expected to come out anywhere near whole on that many used watch bands.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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TheJoker138 posted:

I bought one watch band because I didn't like the sports band and the one I bought is nice.

I mean that's fine.

I don't mean to kick a man while he's down but buying 11 is a *lot* of ecosystem buy in, and my expectation is most people will be "ew gross used watch band" if you try to resell it later.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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robodex posted:

Against my better judgement I picked one of these up a few weeks ago when my Pebble broke for the 3rd time. Was able to get it relatively cheap due to open box special + haggling with them at Best Buy.

How accurate is the heart rate monitor? I tend to wear mine a little farther up my forearm and I'm getting readings that are lower than I'd expect. Am I just wearing it wrong?

Make sure you're wearing it slightly snug for a better reading. I've checked while hooked up to an actual medical HRM and it's been very close. When it's wrong though (e.g. bad fit while I'm running or something) it's really wrong, like 49bpm or something when it should probably be 120ish.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Use the battery widget in iOS today.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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If you're stressing out about the battery level but you're charging it every day and not running a marathon in workout mode, I can promise you that there are better things to worry about.

For everyone else one of the numerous other solutions or simply unlocking it will suffice.

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MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

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Endless Mike posted:

Oh, okay, I get it now. This is neither an improvement or crippling since before, trying to browse my library would just go to a long spinner, and when finally loaded, was so slow as to be useless, which is why I never used the Music app on my Watch. Now there's just not much to browse. :shrug:

I legitimately have never played music on my phone via my watch because of that. Plus navigating a very large library on that small screen is not especially more convenient than just grabbing my phone, since all the previous watches needed the phone anyway.

I'm guessing the full library view exists on the series 3, but it wouldn't surprise me if the intent is to really use siri anyway because of the tiny screen problem.

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