World of Darkness Megathread: Curse of the Were-Poster

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I would not be shocked if they want to use the classic WoD stuff for their video game brandings and want that to be "The World of Darkness," which does not mean they could not also publish or support these established other games, possibly under some alternative naming/branding scheme. I mean generally people are playing "Werewolf: The Forsaken" more than they're playing "New WOD," I guess.

# ¿ Oct 29, 2015 20:22

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 21:05

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Lightning Lord posted:

Even this doesn't prevent NWoD stuff from being utilized - maybe Requiem becomes an alternate universe in some video game.

Using Requiem stuff with Masquerade seems a lot easier than using, say, Forsaken stuff with Apocalypse.

# ¿ Oct 29, 2015 21:12

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Archonex posted:

Did you make that or was that from somewhere else?

Regardless, I love how it randomly diverges into Aqua Teen Hunger Force's universe like halfway through a playthrough of it.

I think Carl is an NPC from some dudes who are basically Deep Ones, and while he's in the community, he's a committed Christian and his name is Carl, not Lblrbl'klo'fpagh.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2017 01:12

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Pope Guilty posted:

Speaking of, has anybody read the By Night Studios Werewolf: the Apocalypse? I'm sloooowwwwly working my way through it (It's 762 pages! you can probably kill a person with the POD version!) and it's interesting what they've changed. They've brought the plot forward and instead of Vampire's "The Red Star came and went and now we're all kind of looking at each other like the paying Springfield Power Plant workers in the episode where Homer averts the meltdown", the servants of the Wyrm launched a huge series of attacks and also there's some kind of spiritual plague that killed all the caerns and now a big part of the plot is the creation of "shard caerns" (I'm not far enough in to tell what this actually means) and internal political tension between a Garou faction that wants to make nice with the Weaver and one that doesn't. Also the Fera and the Garou are trying to make nice.

So far the big theme I'm seeing is "We're changing [thing we don't like about the setting] and using the ever-more-desperate slide toward the Apocalypse as the reason". Some of it's reasonably minor, like making it explicit that every tribe contains members of every ethnicity or putting the Fera up front and center. Some of it's more extreme, like how since about 2000 (nobody's sure exactly) Kinfolk who are bitten by a werewolf get really, really sick and if they survive come out the other side as a full-fledged, but sterile, Garou.

I was briefly confused because I wondered if you meant the W20 version, but I guess not. I imagine a lot of these changes had a big eye towards accommodating their LARP play in a lot of ways which aren't necessarily narratively great but probably produced a lot of good-rear end poo poo for their game plotlines. Like that Kinfolk thing, that is totally a way to power-up a long-standing Kin player. (Is it breaking the Litany if your wife becomes a werewolf?)

# ¿ Apr 13, 2017 11:53

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Are these remote areas somehow full of cool play areas or relative privacy from the mundanes, or is it because transit accessibility is "sketchy" and "feels unsafe" because "there are black people on the train/bus"

# ¿ Apr 14, 2017 06:19

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Obligatum VII posted:

As a followup on this, there's really no reason it can't be both socioeconomic issues compounded by a horrible monster in the lake that is making everything even worse. The World of Darkness is supposed to be shittier than ours, after all. It also adds an interesting dynamic in that destroying the big monster doesn't magically fix everything. In fact, it may be minor in the face of the entirely human aspect of the problems facing the area.

On the flip side (since without hope, horror is just depression porn), lancing the spiritual boil may make it easier for the mortals to make headway. I think that was, in principle, the idea and cycle behind a lot of the stuff in W:tA; heal the spirit so the material world can get its poo poo right.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2017 01:11

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Obligatum VII posted:

Oh, I definitely agree. I do think it makes it more interesting if your characters are basically fighting on two fronts though, addressing both issues at the same time. In the end, victory isn't defeating the supernatural threat, it's defeating the concepts it embodied. One of my favorite games I ever played in had a lot of that going on.

I've always felt bad about over-emphasis on what I guess you could call "normal" community improvement activities, mostly because when these become a major focus it always makes me go, "Well, I feel like an rear end in a top hat, why am I doing this in a game instead of in real life." Doesn't mean they shouldn't be present of course

# ¿ Apr 15, 2017 01:20

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Pope Guilty posted:

Also, Usury? You're playing a crossover game focusing on pvp and the Wraith player picked Usury?

Comedy option: hire a Spook to set the Tremere on fire with his mind, from across the Shroud.

The Usurer's guild would be like the Wraith Federal Reserve. Nothing says he doesn't know a guy with Outrage.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2017 23:47

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Kurieg posted:

Don't forget that The Gentry are alternately scared shitless of Beasts or think that they're the best thing ever and let them ride along on Wyld Hunts. And that a Beast in the Hedge affects things like a max wyrd changeling or member of the Gentry would.

Maybe Beasts are actually like little The Gentries?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 20:55

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LatwPIAT posted:

Changing the Assamite Clan Flaw for one of the other Clan Flaw they've had through the ages wouldn't exactly be a great step away from the celebration of the game's entire history, especially when that's already being done with the Tremere. And they could have gone with a less orientalist drawing for the splat-writeup.

It would probably impair the gothic luridness of the entire situation but it would be tight if they did some kind of V20/W20/whatever20-2 that sandblasted away most of the racist crap (and I only say most because so many of these subsplats' flavor have roots in a specific cultural milieu. You can delete the Fianna though)

# ¿ Apr 26, 2017 11:20

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Archonex posted:

Alternatively: "Haha, what the heck? You watch cartoons about lesbians in love?" would be suitable for subbing in there.

Still, not a big deal either way.

Edit: I never said that they'd mock me for it. Just that it'd be kind of awkward until I explained it. Where are you getting that from?

Frankly I'd be far more concerned at someone with these many posts in the WOD thread than someone who googled up cartoon lesbians once

# ¿ Apr 27, 2017 02:50

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The Sin of Onan posted:

Dark Eras has Kindred in pre-European-contact Mexico like they've always been there, although their clans are never mentioned.

Obviously they were creations of the Pillar Men.

# ¿ May 3, 2017 03:19

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I really feel that Requiem is kind of impaired by the (apparent?) regular series of implications that the best thing your character can do for the world is self-terminate. Masquerade had plenty of angst but that seemed pretty absent for the most part.

God drat though am I hype for Wraith.

# ¿ May 4, 2017 06:42

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Archonex posted:

Requiem at least loosens things up so that you could theoretically live your life decently. Aside from the Beast and your hunger there's no real rule that says you have to be a murderous jackass.

This seems equally true about Masquerade though. I guess there is the nebulous question of animal blood (and eventually, human blood) not "doin it for you" any more but that seemed to involve truly heroic periods of time. In Masquerade you also aren't a barren emotional wasteland! :v:

# ¿ May 4, 2017 09:50

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So if you carve out joy and wonder from something otherwise Banal, do you successfully un-Banalaize it?

# ¿ May 7, 2017 05:57

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Zereth posted:

Man I'd expect a feudal system to only sort of adhere to its OWN political boundaries, let alone those of mortal society.

Would this not be a feudal society enforced from above within less than a single mortal lifetime, possibly backed by giant bursts of magic juice from :911:

and so on? I imagine William the Conqueror had things his way for a while.

# ¿ May 8, 2017 11:14

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Rand Brittain posted:

I don't think making sidhe unplayable was ever the goal, and if they had it would have been Mage Revised all over again.

Look, if the RPG doesn't tell me that the creatures I'm playing are horrible monsters who shouldn't exist, it just isn't realistic or acceptable. Unless I like it a lot, then it's fine.

More seriously I imagine the answer for why there's so much Sidhe nobility is "the Sidhe like nobility and have enough power to shove that on people's throats," even if in many ways it may be closer to being the queen bee of the local scene than having actual formal political power, the real enemy is still the Republicans, etc. etc.

# ¿ May 8, 2017 19:30

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xanthan posted:

I don't get it. I honestly don't and would love an explanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll

# ¿ May 12, 2017 09:37

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Jhet posted:

Aren't the essentially doing that themselves? My knowledge of the oWoD metaplot is vague and muddled, but none of that sounds particularly great either for the NPCs or any actual PCs who want to actually interact with it. "World is dying, organizations all infiltrated, the end of the world is here, but since no one did anything about it for 15 years it's just going to be worse and there's nothing you can really do about it because -metaplot- (unless you suck up via LARPing)".

I'm kind of surprised there because I had the impression from the WW20 book that one of the big shifts was that they actually saw the possibility of success now. (I was also greatly amused at fracking being a profound Wyrm trick because that was just the right kind of cheese.)

# ¿ May 12, 2017 20:53

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Ironslave posted:

I doubt it. Over a year ago I would have said it, but then they brought on Obsidian. Instead of having Obsidian work on a new VtM or any oWoD game, they licensed it out for slot machines and had a studio most known for its writing work on the brand-new IP Tyranny.

They went with slot machines over Obsidian.

There is no hope.

You know, a lot of IPs are being turned into slot machines lately, so I'm wondering what the percentages are. I actually don't know the economics; do the makers get a slice of the machine's revenues? Is it just that you can almost entirely ignore gameplay because the motivation for people is "slots, pachinko balls, occasional small minigames" and you make it all up with art?

# ¿ May 13, 2017 01:27

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There was a GURPS book, "Creatures of the Night," that had some good poo poo, and also helpfully was not slavishly devoted to folklore.

# ¿ May 17, 2017 01:39

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Mulva posted:

I see that and I picture the quiet and normally straight laced researcher of esoteric threats that is just screaming at the top of their lungs for like 5 minutes while trying to beat you into a fine paste. Someone tries to remind them that they could use magic to give you an aneurysm or something, and all they can say is they want to feel you die. I imagine most people would get that way at, and this is at most, the third magic puzzle box clean up.

maybe... maybe the problem isn't the puzzle boxes.

# ¿ May 21, 2017 10:01

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Mulva posted:

I want you to imagine literally anything, and then I want you to tell me how it is improved by adding a magic puzzle box to the equation. Or lets narrow that down, imagine something undeniably positive and how the inclusion of having to break into a magic puzzle box enhances the process of getting it to people. Like wow, here is the ultimate weapon to combat the Exarchs.....I don't know, why don't you just use it and not put it in a puzzle box? Amazing, you developed the cure for all human illness.....and can only maintain an erection when you imagine the sheer futility of hundreds of generations of people failing to break the insane security you put around it? It's like a rule, nobody good puts unnecessary speed bumps in the way of something simple and useful. If they are locking it away with byzantine security it either deserves to be locked away or they are a sadistic bastard, and either way it's unlikely to be particularly fun opening the thing up.

Magic puzzle boxes: Not even once

Yeah but have you tried it, though.

# ¿ May 21, 2017 10:32

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Magnusth posted:

Followup question: what happens if your shadowname is jack, as in 'the ripper,' and you stab goetia representing jack the ripper in the Tremenous, with its own blade?

Roll 1d5:

1 - You become a goetia
2 - You gain a permanent stat point of some kind
3 - Doublecum
4 - Nothing like, happens at all, because all of this is just games and distractions we're telling ourselves that keep us away from what's real important. You know, great minds throughout history have said this and we just can't loving learn because we're a bunch of stupid capering apes who think we're clever with the little tricks we pull that always, always just end up destroying more than we realize. Bruce Lee said it, you know, the kung fu movie guy? Don't look at the finger, look where the finger points, but most of us are just too blind and stupid and hosed up, permanently and irretrievably hosed up, to see anything that far away. 9/11, Donald Trump, the Star Wars prequels, they're all part of the same sickness and it's in the belly of the machine and - how did that lyric go? I can't loving remember, man; pass me the bong.
5 - Critical hit

# ¿ May 22, 2017 09:55

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The other thing that CthulhuTech ripped off was Macross; the weird night-elf mi-go people were pretty much exactly Zentradi without any of the charm or unique abilities of "being thirty feet tall."

It would be pretty tight to have Zentradi fight the Mythos, honestly.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2017 06:13

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In principle, a Ventrue neonate who found out that they could only feed on children would be a good-rear end run of personal horror. In practice, the character would either be a cartoon villain or would be presented as a Noble Pedophile a la Piers Anthony or something.

What does determine a Ventrue's feeding limit anyway? I mean, like, in-universe.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2017 06:21

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That Old Tree posted:

The same vaguely Biblical magic curse that determines most of the other ones, if there's anything at all to explain it. Not that there's any compelling alternatives I can recall ever being presented.

I just hope once in a while there's a Ventrue who ends up frenzying and having to be put down because their blood requirement is something impossible to get even if you're rich and powerful.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2017 08:08

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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:

So wait do periods make girls ugly and smart or beautiful and stupid?

Depends how much you like your red wings.

The thing about Anthony is, while I'm not gonna call for the guy to be banned or shame someone who enjoyed Xanth as a kid or whatever, I have to wonder about him considering how often he's returned to this well. If it had been like one novel it would be like, "Well, OK. Literature, man." But it's this all-pervading theme.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2017 20:24

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Feeding on the Unbaptized almost feels like it'd be cheating nowadays, at least in the USA. I mean there's a lot of catholics but that's like "Women" as opposed to "Redhaired women".

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 02:19

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Reflections85 posted:

I'm not seeing it on inklesspen's site?

Inklesspen does those updates manually and is well behind.

Check the thread. :getin:

# ¿ Jul 1, 2017 09:53

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LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Nah. It's sort of hard to break the Masquerade in any way people would notice or care about, on the open ocean in the 1600s. A vampire could just vamp out at will and eat the whole loving ship, Dio Brando style, and not a drat soul would know or care except "uh this ship's crew vanished, wtf is the deal?"

Dio Brando nothing; this is literally what Dracula did on his way to England.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2017 07:43

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Son of a Vondruke! posted:

I'm sure vampirates would be awesome in play, it just seems like the logistics of the concept of might be a little too "wacky" for the typical edgy turbo-goth audience. This IS supposed to be decided by a vote.

It's probably easier for European coastal raiders than it would be for the Caribbean.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2017 09:58

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I read a book once that said conspiracy theories - like, when you're REALLY into them - are basically a gnostic wisdom thing. You know a Truth, and that Truth gives you Specialness, even if you are otherwise mean and despicable.

# ¿ Jul 9, 2017 06:47

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Kavak posted:

Unknown Armies?

No, like a normal book, discussing the psychology and sociology of conspiracy theories.

# ¿ Jul 9, 2017 10:16

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Rand Brittain posted:

Geists are really good at

a) ghost poo poo
b) loving other people up all to Hell and back
c) not dying.

They are not very good at anything else, but they are ridiculously good at those three things.

Are we certain that they weren't an effort to do Bleach

# ¿ Jul 16, 2017 21:48

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MonsieurChoc posted:

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for Wraith 20.

I gather it is comin' along, despite the literal evil ghost curse on it. Notably it is well outpacing Exalted 3E which had far fewer evil ghosts.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2017 23:32

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ZeroCount posted:

Geists are ghosts but it's wod so events must transpire so that they look exactly like normal people the majority of the time. Just like how Beasts totally have a soul of a kraken or whatever but are actually just a dude.

Well obviously. If the situation isn't visually similar to modern-day reality with maybe a couple of close touches, how can we get that ineffable urban fantasy je ne sais quoi?

# ¿ Jul 18, 2017 03:10

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

The urban fantasy part is currently tripping me up. I'm planning a Demon game in a small town and trying to figure out how to integrate my players into the setting without an ex-policeman, a priest, and an off-duty military doctor all moving to town at once and poking their noses into things being too weird for the locals. And that's just the half of the players who have submitted character sheets so far.

I'm sure I'll come up with something, but it's interesting how the World of Darkness games tend to automatically assume the anonymity of a large city.

I'm not an up to date Demonhead but could they not acquire local covers? Alternately, assume that their local covers are for the most part already integrated in that community. If it's like one new guy that's different from if it's six.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2017 03:24

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You can also have the priest getting transferred him, Father Ted style.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2017 03:33

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 21:05

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Xelkelvos posted:

Maybe post-occupation Japan with Deviant and possibly Changeling from the late 50s to the bubble period. The period where Japan went from just another country in East Asia to a technological and economic leader as well as a period of major Westernization, student rebellions, and the flourishing of anime, manga, and tokusatsu.

What splat is Mr. Shakedown and his ilk?

# ¿ Jul 19, 2017 04:38

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