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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PltuC4cv1p4

Exciting news fellas! One of the Rebels cartoon characters survives all the way from his Clone Trooper origins to the end of Return of the Jedi. Gotta love that new Lucasfilm Story Group Canon!

In all seriousness, Star Wars Explained is a channel I hate-watch with a passion for how... absurd it all is. I'm sure the guy who runs it is perfectly nice, but... oh, man. He's overly positive and never critical about anything, a lot of the content is petulant nonsense like "All TIE Fighter Types & Variants in Star Wars Canon," or "Why Does Darth Vader Take Orders from Grand Moff Tarkin" or "Are Death Troopers Zombies: A Rogue One Theory" and it's absolute nonsense. All of it.

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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Neo Rasa posted:

I can't stress enough how awesome it is that that really is his specialty and it's reflected even as early as A New Hope when he bullshit scares the Tusken Raiders away, "These aren't the droids you're looking for." Stealthing around the Death Star etc. and then like someone said earlier the moment the he actually gets into an even fight with someone he gives up.

That's really what I like most about the Jedi as portrayed in the original trilogy - they use violence as a last resort. In the prequels, it's wham-bam-sabers-out everywhere you go.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
They made a new AT-ST and it's bigger and dumber.

Literally everything is bigger and dumber in Disney Wars, but the same.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

The guy who made Book of Henry is still on track to make the finale to the latest Star Wars trilogy.



The "canon" of post-ROTJ Star Wars is that Emperor Palpatine put his soul into a bunch of robots to carry out his agenda in case of his untimely death so this actually lines up perfectly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUEGD_PW-2k

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

thrawn527 posted:

I'm not watching this video because that YouTube channel is crazy, but I don't think they're suppose to have his actual soul. I think they're just droids with a holographic face of him giving orders he set up ahead of time, to make people think he was still giving orders and wasn't dead.

I agree that it's crazy but I want to hear someone else say it, can you articulate why?

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

thrawn527 posted:

I always find it funny how much credit/disdain Abrams gets for Lost, and how it's always brought up as, "This is the prime example of what Abrams does", when he only helped them develop the pilot and then stepped away. Like, Abrams did several seasons of some shows, like Alias, which would be a way better example of setting up mysteries and having no idea how to resolve them.

That show went absolutely off the loving rails but at the same time it had Victor Garber playing an absolute lunatic (as the good guy!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HndMKYnJgxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrXhPJD2G-M

This is probably my favorite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0qaIvb3bGA

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If you told me that Dreadnought was a ship in Star Citizen I would believe you more than it being in Last Jedi.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Gonz posted:

The First Order is just really into geometry and also have a circle ship and a rectangle ship and a square ship.

Who is funding the First Order to such a ludicrous degree they can afford to design and build so many new monstrosities? That's probably the worst part of all the new "world building."

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

basic hitler posted:

So i dont get the toy thing. These things are still overpriced plastic dolls for kids right? Weirdo adult doll collectors are still a fringe group arent they?

Well what's fascinating is that it seems the collectors have really soured on the Disney trilogy stuff, I doubt anyone's going to try and argue it has some massive value in a few decades from now. I mean, I picked up the Disney Infinity Vader just because I thought it looked neat, and build a few of the model kits from the original trilogy, but that's about it and I don't know of anyone who's super attached to this stuff.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Ah drat, and too think, IX would have been at the very least an interesting movie, if not good. Now it'll just be bad, and boring.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

TheMaestroso posted:

What are you talking about? Trevorrow was never a good idea, just a marketable one. Comparing him to Rian Johnson makes this immediately apparent.

The Book of Henry is absolutely bonkers, and that approach would have made it interesting in wrapping up a Star Wars sequel trilogy.


The REAL Goobusters posted:

this is galactic brain.

btw guys im the new director and guess what. Luke Skywalker is now trans. thank you and may the force be with you!

again, more interesting than a generic retread and rehash of familiar elements that Disney Wars has been draining a lot of people on.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Disney should replace Colin with Mark Neveldine and Brian Taylor. Star Wars on $99 trash cameras getting hosed up by throwing them into space and getting Wookee barf on them would be fantastical.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

TheMaestroso posted:

You do realize there is no up or down in space, right?

Within the framing of ship to ship combat in Star Wars, there is almost always a clear up/down axis.





What Szmitten is suggesting is that the ship be lengthwise vertically against the near entirety of ships that are horizontally flattened out, and I agree it'd be interesting to see the ships we're familiar with try to navigate that geometry.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

TheMaestroso posted:

They would navigate that geometry by just spinning 90 degrees. It really isn't as exciting as you seem to think it is.

Again, you're thinking logically. The problem is that applying any sort of reality to cinematic space combat would be utterly boring and nigh unwatchable, because the sheer volume of space is so large that weapons would be fired from such a distance before you could even see the enemy. Within the confines of Star Wars, the filmmaker can come up with whatever rules they please as long as they don't break the suspension of disbelief and take the audience out of the movie. By having the behemoth of a vertical Star Destroyer bleeding past both edges of the frame, stretching out seemingly infinitely, contrasted against a typical Rebel fleet as we've seen in previous films, you could show the scale and the power of the First Order in contrast to our heroes, spaced out and constrained by the confines of the frame. Obligatiory Homeworld screenshot:

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Rey's gonna stumble into a room full of younglings and she just won't know what to do with herself! "The blade made me do it," she'll cry out, as she gets locked away in space prison forever

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Brother Entropy posted:

i really don't get why so many people are latching onto the porg as a complaint

Disney trying to manufacture artificial cuteness with entirely arbitrary modifiers

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Brother Entropy posted:

the whole dang movie is disney trying to manufacture emotions prior movies have given us with arbitrary modifiers to shake things up, what makes the porg so special

Well, you're asking the wrong person, because I agree with this statement, but at the same time, there was nothing in the original trilogy trying to be "cute" outside of the Ewoks and we all know how well that bombed

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Brother Entropy posted:

well the better comparison would be bb-8 and i don't remember people hating on it

I hated BB-8 because it was, like everything else in TFA, a lovely rehash of something from the original trilogy

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Every movie made after the theatrical release of return of the Jedi is a heretical work, actually

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Gonz posted:

Disney really seems to have cracked down on leaks with an iron fist this time around. At this point in 2015, the whole drat movie was practically spoiled online.

I mean it already is, they leaked an early draft back in the 80s under a different production company

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
jedi knight mod for that jedi knight movie battles mod which replaces the younglings you murder as anakin with porgs

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

The Galactic Empire has won

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Snoke is Donald Trump, hence going after his money laundering casinos. The first one was about Hillary looking stern and being respected while expressing disappointment in her son becoming a radical BernieBro. Also Rey discovers in the new movie that actually the truth is in the middle and she becomes a Centrist/Grey Jedi under the tutelage of Luke, who used to be the moderator of /r/neoliberal before seeking exile after numerous sexual assault allegations.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Did any of those people hate Force Awakens and come around on TLJ?

I'd go see it if that was a common enough take, that R2 recording moment was a callback used in a way that didn't sound groanworthy.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fuckin' lol if he just astral projects and then dies. I guess I'll have to see it to believe it but that just seems really dumb

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Gonz posted:

The end of the movie features a scene where a fathier stable boy who worked at Canto Bight from earlier in the film is getting berated by one of his alien bosses to help clean up the mess that Finn and Rose made. The alien leaves the screen and when nobody is looking, the kid uses the force to pull a broom to his hands, then holds the broom like a lightsaber and points it at the sky. Fanfare builds, then credits smash cut.

The Force is actually the immortal science of Marxism-Leninsm and Episode 9 is a full-on class war against the disaster capitalist class

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dishwasher posted:

It always pissed me off that they never explained in the movies why this random rear end bar owner has Anakin's saber, or even knows its historical significance. She's just all "Don't worry about it!" to that mystery. Nevermind why Han chooses to go to the one bar in the galaxy with Just the mcguffin they need. Then TLJ goes "Don't worry about it!" to the rest of the questions in TFA. If it wasn't hilarious as gently caress I'd be mad that they made me waste energy thinking up theories and paying attention to the awful Nu EU.

That broom scene sounds bushleague and fan-movie as gently caress.

It's this really weird thing where the original trilogy was a mix of classic fantasy, Flash Gordon, political and historical imagery, etc. where the Disney Trilogy is referencing... Star Wars. And you see this feedback loop into the story, where... all of the new major characters are Star Wars fans. Rey starts out collecting merch and then they find the Falcon and are flying around it but she knows all the parts and how to fix them, Han picks them up and has to tell them "it's true... all of it" to confirm Rey's headcanon. Kylo is a Darth Vader wannabe and it shows, and now this fuckin' broom kid... sheesh. It's trying so hard to be this sort of feelgood wish fulfillment pandering that it lacks any of the struggle of the OT. It's really fuckin' dark.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Waffles Inc. posted:

how on earth wasn't there a cohesive vision in place with threads that follow through the three movies?

Because they have a fuckin' corporate "story group" https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/star-wars-celebration-lucasfilm-story-group/

quote:

In this new era of corporate storytelling, Marvel Studios is seen as the gold standard for multi-franchise entertainment. Yet at Star Wars Celebration this year, I came to realize that someone else was quietly outstripping them from behind the scenes: the Lucasfilm Story Group, another Disney offshoot.

Most Star Wars viewers are at least vaguely aware of the creative minds behind the new movies: J.J. Abrams, screenwriters Lawrence Kasdan and Michael Arndt, upcoming directors Gareth Edwards (Rogue One) and Rian Johnson (Episode VIII), and Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. Like any Hollywood production, they’re backed up by an army of execs and technicians, but unlike the typical view of blockbuster filmmaking, the idea of studio “interference” isn’t necessarily perceived as a negative.

You often hear people comparing the Lucasfilm Story Group to the Jedi Council, the keepers of sacred knowledge. Formed by Kathleen Kennedy in 2012, the Story Group’s job is to make sure every aspect of Star Wars canon remains aligned, from major plot twists to obscure factoids about planets that never appear onscreen. Some story arcs are planned years in advance, and the Story Group work with writers and filmmakers to develop new ideas for the franchise. Rogue One was actually pitched to them by Industrial Light and Magic’s Chief Creative Officer John Knoll, his first story credit after decades of work in visual effects.

Welcome to the future of filmmaking and boy does it suck.

Taintrunner fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Dec 12, 2017

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

mastershakeman posted:

now that every mystery in force awakens has been answered with stavros going 'whatever man this shits boring who cares' we can say:

It's really fuckin' crazy how their obsession with canon has made all of their narratives entirely toothless and going nowhere. Like say what you will about Hideo Kojima but he managed to get one straight storyline told across 28 years of games by being willing to give up the canon here and there in order to serve the individual narratives of the games, and if you're invested in it like I've been, the final bit of MGSV where he slams the fuckin' Operation 1313 tape into the MSX is a huge payoff to end the series on, wrapping everything back around to the beginning.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jerk McJerkface posted:

Rogue One gets so close to being interesting, and then backs off. It could explore the Rebellion being an actual terrorist organization, but it just can't quite do it.

It’s also a film about stealing something that decides to be a generic war movie on a beach instead of a loving heist movie from a giant artificial under-construction death moon for the sole purpose of going “well actually,” to undercut the entire plot point of the Empire’s hubris, and for that I will forever pretend it never existed.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shanty posted:

Snoke's gotta come back somehow. I don't care if it's strapped to a spider mech, he's coming back and explaining himself.

I still think the idea of a rotting flesh spider Maul horror leading Kylo or Thrawn or whatever to some ancient Sith superweapon to strike back at the New Republic would have been a far more exciting movie, tying the timeline together from KOTOR to the new movies would have been a far more exciting move than this crap.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I just saw the scene of Luke tossing the lightsaber and it may yet be the funniest thing I’ve seen in years.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Two movies now and the only villain to do anything of interest is the fuckin random stormtrooper who yells “TRAITOR!” who of course is immediately dispatched like a chump. All the heroes get to do ridiculous stuff like astral projections and Mary Poppins poo poo as they steamroll the opposition. It’s really loving hard to give a poo poo anymore.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Junkie Disease posted:

Rebels goal was to be idols to people, with like no witnesses.
I hated this movie

Yeah it was really bad and mostly for this reason

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Oh thanks for reminding me I should waste time with that Battlefront 2 campaign DLC

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I will say that the story DLC for the much maligned Battlefront 2 (and rightly so) is a better experience than The Last Jedi, in that it takes the loving mess of what came before it and stitches it together in a way that has a good payoff for the characters and the shitbag villain displays a degree of competency for the heroes to work together and outwit. Also you play as an old mom running around a star destroyer with what is very clearly an M60 with a giant can attached blasting stormtroopers with lasers, after zooming around an asteroid field blasting prequel ships in an X-Wing.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

cargohills posted:

"Competency" does not make a good villain. The First Order, Hux and Kylo Ren would all be significantly less interesting if Rian Johnson had decided to take whatever mad writing class tells you that all antagonists should be the same.

The new movies are utterly drool because the good guys get to have all the cool moments while the villains are constantly steamrolled and shown to be utterly disposable: Phasma, Snope, Hux are all either a) thrown in the literal garbage b) severed in two and thrown in the metaphorical garbage c) Hux is... well... Hux. Kylo is the only villain with any sort of arc and is constantly upended by the protagonists - even Chewbacca gets to take a bite out of him in the previous film. Tarkin, Vader, Boba, Jabba, Vader, are all shown with varying degrees of menace that is genuinely intimidating. Of course, because these are modern factory farmed blockbusters that refuse to let any of their ideas breathe as they smash forward at a beatnik pace, we never take the time to really appreciate these villains or see them at their more vulnerable moments. All the while Rey is the best at everything ever, Leia gets to be Mary Poppins, Luke does some wizard poo poo, Holdo gets to go out kamikaze - it's what is lacking from these modern Disney Wars - is something that forces these protagonists to actually combine forces, even if they don't want to. Instead, we get a rugged individualism of everyone having their super epic awesome badass moment.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Barreft posted:

Yeah where the hell were the knights of ren? This whole movie feels like Rian wanted to make his own film and ignored the previous one.

And then JJ is making the one after this. poo poo's gonna be real silly.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Inescapable Duck posted:

Also, lol that Luke's original fuckup was being wishy washy on killing baby Hitler.

Jeb! will fix it!

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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

AndyElusive posted:

Star Wars fans think they can make better Star Wars than the people who actually make Star Wars.

If you took someone who had a genuine connection for the thematic elements of the original trilogy, and understood it’s strength was the conflict of its tight cast of characters, then had a real vision for how they would follow up the events of The Last Jedi - they could do a better Star War than the clusterfuck of Disney corporate, the Lucasfilm Story Group, etc. shoving poo poo into a trilogy that swaps directors and can’t decide if it’s a soft reboot or a weird throwback and tosses about story beats that were supposed to have a payoff into a bin.

It’s the machine and less the individual that is loving up the Disney Wars, a really silly inverse of what created the issues with the Prequels. We now live in a timeline where the overwhelming majority of Star Wars movies are bad, and I would say to anyone who does think they can do better, it’s never too late to drum up your own IP and see what you can make happen.

Also this is a really weird and cynical caste system worldview that being a “fan” makes you inferior to the “people actually making Star Wars” as if Rian/Kennedy aren’t also “fans.”

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