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I want to see what they do with Blood Angels and Dark Angels before I pick a legion, but I bought the first three campaign setting books. I looked at the pdfs of the books and thought they were pretty awesome. Storytime for me. Leaning towards Emperor's Children or Word Bearers at the moment. But feel bad being a traitor. GreenMarine fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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muggins posted:The worst part about doing Alpha Legion is how much the novel about them blew rear end. It was worse than the ones about Dark Angels tooling around on their home world. I didn't understand the novel. Do they have two primarchs? Are they really good guys in disguise? It was confusing.
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Nov 9, 2015 02:17
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Crawling Fire is kind of a neat rule. Are there other weapons that have that?
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Nov 13, 2015 18:30
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The Leviathan looks like what the Centurion armor was going for, but was too small to achieve.
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Nov 14, 2015 00:57
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How are Red Butchers and the Rampager Squads? The World Eaters look pretty good, but going heavy on assault seems risky.
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Nov 14, 2015 01:31
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Do we think we'll see Forge World stuff in stores any time, or is this going to be a mail order game? Takes forever to get things from the UK.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:50
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Choosing a Legion seems like the toughest decision to make, but I think I've settled on Word Bearers. Good color schemes, able to play the demonic-traitor angle, some cool special characters. The special units look neat. Only downside are no special terminator unit. I love the terminator options in 30k. The FW staff's lore writing is better than GW's. Emperor's Children embracing perfection to offset the near total loss of their geneseed makes a lot of sense. They believed they couldn't spare any mistakes in battle because the loss of a single life was more costly to them than the other Legions. Eventually this value set became warped towards perfection for perfection's sake and let Slaanesh in. I could definitely see building and painting EC. Death Guard were attractive from the use of terrible weapons angle. They don't seem to fear gas or chemical weapons, nuclear, etc. The rusted paint technique I see people use looks really nice. I'm not a big fan of the scythes, though. Now I'm thinking about World Eaters again and on the loyalist side the Raven Guard are cool...oh an now I think I've talked myself back to confusion. Maybe I shouldn't pick a legion so I can stay in this superposition of anticipation forever. This rusty style is really cool: 
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Nov 15, 2015 21:23
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I picked up a Calth box today. The GW store owner really wanted me to buy an extra box. He suggested that 4 was the optimal number as then you'd have lots of weapon bits to make specialist squads with. *boggle* The store owner is a nice guy, but the GW culture pushes that extreme sales thing too much. I picked up a White Dwarf which was about basic painting technique and had a scenario for using two boxes of Calth. White Dwarf is a lot smaller than it used to be. The owner was taking down posters from the old 7E 40k release and gave me them, which is neat. He said that the specialist games thing was, as he understood it, entirely a Forge World project. I asked him if his store would ever carry any FW stuff and he said no, that they lose money on that because of the way FW manufactures things. He also said that FW is taking over Lord of the Rings and it wouldn't be a main line GW thing anymore. None of this is new, but I was curious.
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Nov 16, 2015 10:01
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Hauki posted:If someone was seriously trying to push four copies of a $150 box set on me for "extra bits" I would've just walked out. There was no realistic chance I'd buy it so I didn't take it personally. If I want 10 flamers for a support squad I would just get the bits off ebay.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:38
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Cythereal posted:Supposedly the next book is Dark Angels, Blood Angels, White Scars, and Shattered Legions, then the next after that is Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Adeptus Custodes, and Sisters of Silence. What are Shattered Legions? All the loyalist joes who survived Istvaan and don't have a home? I thought they got absorbed into the Ultramarines or became grey knights or something.
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Nov 17, 2015 03:47
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I love the face on Erebus, Sisko.
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Nov 17, 2015 09:05
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Wow that Alpha legionnaire is fantastic. Would you mind posting your paint scheme? I wouldn't mind trying my hand at that.
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Nov 17, 2015 23:15
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If you're having trouble picking a legion this blog seems to have good descriptions of the various special units and legion rules: http://warpstoneflux.blogspot.com/search/label/world%20eaters Just click a legion filter name at the bottom to get all the posts.
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Stanyer89 posted:Clicked the Blood Angels filter and read an article about Legion Nurgle Blood Angels... Yeah that's some alternate lore stuff. There's no posts about 30k blood angels since they aren't out yet.
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I think I want to go with Alpha Legion. I like mechanised combined arms lists. This is mostly a list diven by what I would want to paint and own more than functional, but also trying to connect to the fast attack concepts of the Alpha Legion. I wanted either RoT'd Butchers or Mor Deythan snipers. Probably need to make adjustments to wargear. Armillus and the Apothecary ride with the tac blob in the Storm Eagle. I wanted to fit a contemptor but couldn't find room. ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1996pts) ++ + HQ (200pts) + Armillus Dynat (200pts) ··Master of the Legion [The Coils of the Hydra] + Troops (435pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (240pts) [17x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] Legion Tactical Squad (195pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] + Elites (655pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (45pts) [Legion Apothecary] The Rewards of Treason (610pts) ··The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 2x Pair of Lightning Claws] ····Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive] + Fast Attack (240pts) + Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship (240pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Extra Armour] + Heavy Support (466pts) + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (241pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Four Hellstrike Missiles, Searchlight] Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (225pts) [Legion Predator Tank, Legion Predator Tank, Legion Predator Tank] + Legion + Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]
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Nov 19, 2015 08:27
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I like your kitbash. I like that you have a scrunt hatch on the back, too.
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I thought it was cool that ARMILLUS DYNAT lets you deep strike an infantry squad, so he can get termies in without a transport. With Coils you can use Dynat to deep strike another legion's special terminators. Also, he's a handsome bro: Brings terminators and fashion to the battlefield.
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Is the Leviathan better built for ranged or melee? I may ask my wife to get me one as an xmas gift.
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I would put the Emperor at the start of that list. Unless becoming a necro god was his goal, he pretty much did everything wrong at every decision point.
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SteelMentor, what recipe did you use for your golds on your Alpha Legion? I tried Brass Scorpion + Auric Gold + Sepia wash but it ended up more bronze than gold. Also, get PMs it's a cool feature. Here's the in progress Alpha Legion alpha model, following SteelMentor's recipe:  The colors have turned out well. I learned that I need to control the glaze better on future models. It's pretty easy to let it get messy and go for speed. Also, glaze is scary. The colors look a lot brighter and neon before they dry. The glazes also show your shading well, so if the underlying paint isn't well done it'll still look odd after the glaze. So next model needs to be done with more care. I want the gold to be a bit brighter and not quite as bronze. GreenMarine fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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BULBASAUR posted:I kinda dig the copper color, but admittedly I always picture alpha legion rocking silver trim. I'll do another in silver trim and see which I like more. I think that the silver might do a better job of adding contrast. The bronze is neat, but a bit dark and I think that a unit this way might look a little too dark.
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Predators seem like a nice value play. Very low points at 75 a pop, but can be made expensive pretty quickly with sponsons, etc. What's a good loadout for a wolf pack of triple preds?
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So here's an attempt at a list that uses the models I have, minutes the gunship I'd need to get, focused around the models from Calth. I would likely take Infiltrate as my Alpha Legion option. The contemptors would probably support the tactical squads, depending on deployment. The raptor is CAS and might draw attention away from the predator pack. +++ Budget Legion (1997pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1997pts) ++ + HQ (242pts) + Legion Centurion (85pts) [Power Armour] ····Consul (35pts) [Vigilator (35pts)] Legion Praetor (157pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (35pts), Chainfist (15pts), Combi-Weapon (7pts), Master of the Legion] + Troops (475pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [14x Legion Tactical Space Marines (140pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant (25pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Power Dagger (5pts), Power Weapon (10pts)] Legion Tactical Squad (240pts) [14x Legion Tactical Space Marines (140pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant (30pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Power Dagger (5pts), Power Fist (15pts)] + Elites (695pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (100pts) ····Legion Apothecary (50pts) [Venom Spheres (5pts)] ····Legion Apothecary (50pts) [Venom Spheres (5pts)] Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (380pts) ····Legion Contemptor Dreadnought (205pts) [Plasma Blaster (20pts), Twin-linked Volkite Culverin (10pts)] ····Legion Contemptor Dreadnought (175pts) [Multi-Melta] Legion Terminator Squad (215pts) [Banestrike Bolter Shells (20pts), Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators (120pts), Plasma Blaster (15pts)] ····Legion Terminator Sergeant (5pts) [Power Dagger (5pts)] + Heavy Support (585pts) + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Reaper Autocannon battery (10pts)] Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (375pts) ····Legion Predator Tank (125pts) [Auxiliary Drive (10pts), Lascannons (40pts)] ····Legion Predator Tank (125pts) [Auxiliary Drive (10pts), Lascannons (40pts)] ····Legion Predator Tank (125pts) [Auxiliary Drive (10pts), Lascannons (40pts)] + Legion + Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]
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Moose-Alini posted:So this is out already? Sorry I didn't wade through the thread but are there any decently priced starter sets? Like, space marines I guess. The Betrayal at Calth box set. It's a board game with 30 marines, 5 terminators, a couple HQ dudes, and a dread.
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Moose-Alini posted:Awesome thanks. That's a price even I can afford! If you need the army list rules, get the red "Legiones Astartes" book from forge world. It also has an affordable price. (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Crusade-Army-List) Legion specific special rules are in another book that is currently sold out.
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Nice post krursk. Makes me want to get a secnd box.
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Here is a terminator I did as a test mini for the Alpha Legion project. I need to get some medium to thin the glaze a bit, to make it easier to control...but even a slightly messy application still looks kind of cool.  Yeah, I decided to go with lightning claws + heavy flamer on the squad. It may not be very practical, but lightning claw cataphractii look bad rear end.
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Lord Twisted posted:Lightning claw cataphractii are indeed the poo poo. Just look imposing. The 40k terminator helmets look poo poo I like the old terminators, but lately the tartaros mark terminators have been growing on me. The only drawback to the Cataphractii design is no good place to put prominent legion markings. I decided that for the Alpha Legion terminators, they wouldn't wear personal arms on their service shields and instead would have a very simple aleph-null. It seems more than any other legion, the Alpha Legion would tend not to have personally identifying markers of any kind.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:17
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I want to attach an extraction balloon to those shipping containers.
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It seems like they'll eventually get to mid / late heresy content. I was looking at the Visions of Heresy picture book and by the end the traitors looked pretty much like modern day chaos marines and several of the primarchs were full on demons. How many years did the heresy last?
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Almost done with this guy. May add some weathering and a little cleanup. I think I went too dark on the blue inking, so he turned out a bit less metallic than the marines I've played with. On the flip side, I was able to get my glaze technique a bit more even. Keeps improving. I need to come up with a name so my wife can do the fine character work on the nameplate.
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Where does that chain pole axe come from?
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I'm reading Nemesis. It's not bad. Neat seeing details of the assassin temples behavior and tactics. Are assassins even legal in 30k? Also read Fallen Angels. It was bad or mediocre. Why did the dark Angels have invested librarians after nikea? Luthers rebellion seems reasonable given the cultural pathos of having your world terraformed by a galactic bureaucracy. Is that really the great secret the dark Angels are hiding?
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panascope posted:Nemesis is actually one of the worst books in the series. The writing across the series is poor, so judging it on those terms is a waste of time. Does it have some bad lore ? At this point it seems all the books have flaws there. So I'm going by what entertains me. Mechanicum and Fallen Angels were pretty boring. Also it would be great if the Lion was the traitor, but they don't seem to be telling that story unless fallen angels is a corrupted attempt to also hide the truth, as it ends with the Lion helping Perturabo. GreenMarine fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Mostly annoyed that half of Nemesis is a space gumshoe story.
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Okay, was posting from my phone before while traveling. It's good to have a real keyboard again. I finished Nemesis. Oh man, what a mess. When I said earlier I didn't think it was that bad, I was about 1/4th of the way in. Things actually weren't too bad, but quickly went off the rails. - The officio assassinorum are all idiots. In every appearance they are bickering and fighting, one-upping each other. Not in any subtle or effective way, just pure passive aggression. They have no particular plan for how to take out Horus, but they decide to throw some of their very limited resources at it anyway. In a decision that boggles the mind, they choose to put an estranged brother and sister together on the team, which leads to the next point. - The assassins are all idiots. They are in-fighting from the very start. The Culexis and Eversor are barely able to functionally contribute and unable to do any real planning. They also throw in some hacker assassin who isn't fit for field work at all - the other assassins acknowledge this and when he does get into combat he dies almost immediately (although this is late in the book, him having mostly avoided fighting until that point). The brother and sister are deep into co-dependent emotional sabotage on every page they show up on. If I had to guess what was going on, is that each temple of the assassinorum picked their worst assassin hoping to clear their books of a liability. The emotional conflicts get in the way of the mission and are also really poorly written, such that I couldn't wait until one of them died and I didn't have to read that stuff anymore. - Most outcomes end in failure - just as planned. The Vindicare shoots his target before identifying him. We get one shot, let's take it without checking who we're shooting at. Woops we shot the wrong guy. Luc Sedirae gets his head shot off instead of Horus. Horus twirls his moustache - all as planned, I needed to get rid of Captain Sedirae because he was a pain in my butt. Horus was expecting them to shoot without looking??? The assassinorum spend their post mission meeting time counting up all the upsides of the mission disaster. Hey, we got Captain Sedirae - god job everyone, crack open the brandy. MIssion Accomplished. - Half the book is a gumshoe mystery without a point. It follows a side story of the backworld investigator and his hard rear end boss. Oh the politics, why won't they just let me solve the crime? The story never really develops, getting cut off as the investigator is revealed to be the demon killer in disguise! Gasp! It's boring and a distraction from what we want from the book: competent assassins cleverly hunting renegade astartes...except there isn't any of that in the book so the space cops are mostly a distraction from the latex bumble squad. - Minor complaint: Sons of Horus wearing grey? They were wearing white in Fallen Angels. By this time they should be in green. The books are all inconsistent about which marks of armor and what colors the Sons have. It's minor, but annoying and seems like an easy thing to get right. - It's annoying the author refers to the Eversor assassin as the Garantine. Why make up another word to refer to the guy with a made up word that's already established in the lore? Ok, sorry about the rant. I took a bunch of these books on the plane with me because they are pretty easy to rip through. I wanted this one to be good because...assassins...but it was very disappointing. I can spoiler tag this, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows Horus didn't get assassinated...
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panascope posted:The only good part of Nemesis is the first chapter where they feed the poison assassin his own poison and then he pisses himself to death or whatever. That guy had a better chance to kill Horus than the Execution Force ever had...and the Officio Assassinorum made note of that, but sent the other assassins anyway.
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Yeah those are just great! I really want to gear up a couple squads with the volkite and the autocannons.
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Bulba, how can you fail Perturabo. Again and again, rejection. Again and again, failure. Your primarch gives everything to make your legion the greatest and you spurn him. Thankless, that mantle. He bears it alone. How long must the decimation continue until you return to the fold? Speaking of Alpha Legion, I may now be a Word Bearers player. I'm a little tired of the "we can't tell you anything about what the Alpha Legion are doing, we'd have to kill you...besides we don't know anyway." And reading The First Heretic has me mos def converted to the cause of the Urizen.
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The Sisko posted:Sup 17th Legion Buddy! If you have any questions about the army just let me know. I also think Peirre the Mime plays Word Bearers but he hasn't posted here in a while. I do have a question. Under what circumstances do you bring demons?
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