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Tubgoat posted:Shouldn't he be surrounded by Storm Trumpers? Does the Tea Party count as a stand in for the SA?
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Shifty Pony posted:Right. DC v Heller was 5-4, as was McDonald v Chicago. If any of Scalia, Roberts, Alito, Thomas, or Kennedy get replaced by a liberal justice you'd likely see a 5-4 decision voiding Heller and returning jurisprudence to where it was previous with ownership of a firearm not being an individual right. If opinion swings hard enough we might see a case declaring that the 2nd only prevents the Federal Govt banning firearms for officially organized militias such as the state National Guard or police forces, essentially rendering it meaningless to the average person. Don't forget that the NRA packed the Judicial Committee as well to ensure that they'd get judges friendly to their views picked.
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DemeaninDemon posted:For anyone curious the low out there tonight is 1 degree F. I propose the US Air Force circle them with a Predator drone towing a flag that has 'Vote for Bernie' trailing behind it.
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From the Militia thread:Peztopiary posted:NSFW story on Daily Beast about the Grandson who testified to the grand jury. Link was in the GBS thread. TL;DR, their grandson etches some initials in his skin with a paperclip, so they used coarse sandpaper on the kid's skin as a punishment, and then they caught him smoking so they made him walk 10 miles to-from the ranch his home. And these guys tried to blackmail BLM firefighters into covering up their arson, and then threatened them when they refused to. Oh, they also burned their neighbors cattle lands as well, all while telling the BLM to go gently caress themselves.
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Jan 5, 2016 18:04
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zoux posted:What's the case law on that clause, by the way? Why does it seem to be completely ignored in American jurisprudence? Basically, the NRA packed the Judicial Committee to for the past few decades to ensure that only judges that are friendly to the 2nd Amendment get picked up, and its had a direct effect on the interpretation of the 2nd in the Federal Courts
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Roy Moore is back: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_alabama_chief_justice_issues_order_blocking_same_sex_marriage_licenses quote:The Chief Justice of the Alabama State Supreme Court Wednesday morning issued an order to all probate judges to not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Judge Roy Moore claims a previous order issued by his court in March remains in effect, and warns those judges that they "have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary" to Alabama state law and its constitution.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:43
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DeusExMachinima posted:Obama's speech was pretty retarded and not at all surprising coming from him. https://popehat.com/2016/01/05/president-obama-and-the-rhetoric-of-rights/ Uhhhhh. He's actually only asking that Laws that are already on the Federal books be enforced. Now, don't take this the wrong way (you will), but he actually knows Constitutional Law. I'm pretty sure he's not retarded and maybe you're just a little angry because 'GUNZ'. And I suggest you read the end of his post: He doesn't disagree with what Obama said, he only disagrees with the wording.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:53
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DeusExMachinima posted:My post is applies to his attitude whether or not the Second ever existed or how it's interpreted. "Only" disagreeing with poo poo wording on rights is a big disagreement. I seem to recall an Emancipation Proclamation doing something similar... But either way, maybe you shouldn't cite a page that basically agrees with him and only disagrees with the wording and then go on about how retarded a Constitutional Lawyer is in interpreting the Constitution.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:58
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Trabisnikof posted:TROPE 8! Because a guy calling someone retarded for using his legal powers to enforce laws already on the books is so deep. DeusExMachinima posted:This is unclear. Doing something to similar to what? It established a Government precedent, and since Obama's speech, regardless of the wording, was about laws already legally enforceable on the Federal law books, its not nearly as retarded as you'd like it to be.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:04
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DeusExMachinima posted:oh lawl. His EO was a total snooze if that's what you mean, sure. His speech obviously was about the gun control he still believes in, and his arguments sucked balls from a rights-based perspective. As could be expected from his treatment of them and rationalizations on other topics in the past. The laws he plans to enforce are already on the books But yes, let's keep buying the slippery slope argument and continue with name calling. On the other hand, its retarded for you to think that doing nothing is actually worthwhile, or were you counting on more thoughts and prayers to do something? CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:The laws his EO concerned, yes. But come on, we know the speech was about wider gun control in topic as well. Let me know when Conservatives want to actually do something other than 'Our Thoughts and Prayers are With You'. Oh, quick thought, these are the same motherfuckers that thought bringing a Snowball into the Capitol Rotunda was proof that Climate Change was wrong, and that a 1950s era change to the State Motto made us a Christian Nation. Maybe when conservatives stop stirring up extremists and stomping their feet and pitching a fit you can actually have some grounds to actually establish valid criticism other than 'LOL you're retarded'
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Shifty Pony posted:As impeachment isn't enough with AL just voting him back in, is there any way to get this shitheel disqualified from ever holding office again? Disbarment proceedings, but good luck with that.
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PETA: Noted for loving animals so much they kill them rather than allow them to be adopted.
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Jan 6, 2016 23:12
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zoux posted:DisreputableDog attends a Ben Carson rally ....  Jesus Christ.
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Jan 7, 2016 18:48
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A Winner is Jew posted:I didn't even have to look to see what the reason was. Cruz is now also going to leave a chair free for all the children killed by masturbation and spilled seed.
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Gregg Abbot announced a thing, well series of things:quote:In a clear attempt to further distance the State of Texas from mainstream America, GOP Governor Greg Abbott has just unveiled what he would like to become nine new amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Among them are several that appear to be aimed at landmark and historic U.S. Supreme Court decisions, like last June's, which found bans on same-sex marriage unconstitutional. http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...me_sex_marriage
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DeusExMachinima posted:https://popehat.com/2013/08/29/ninth-circuit-rejects-first-amendment-challenge-to-california-law-banning-conversion-therapy/ Holy poo poo, so much Libertarianism in the comments "Deregulate the Medical Industry! Caveat Emptor, patients!" And no, doctors should have the right to counsel their patients on the dangers of firearms. The emotional health of their patients is their business.
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Jan 11, 2016 17:44
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Subjunctive posted:But otherwise I guess doctors could just refuse to treat patients whom they can't counsel effectively? Is that the wrong side of the Hippocratic oath? They already do this. A lot of pediatricians are not refusing to see patients that refuse to follow vaccination schedules, because it introduces possible harm to their patients.
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Jan 11, 2016 17:48
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DeusExMachinima posted:I doubt doctors would ever be restricted from doing this in blue states. But that's kind of the trade-off isn't it? You drop the bar from strict scrutiny (assuming it was ever that high for licensed doctors in the first place) in order to stop something like conversion therapy and you have to accept the other team might use that power as well. How is that dropping the bar on scrutiny? That RAISES the bar, especially due to the fact that Conversion Therapy was NEVER a recognized treatment, the APA viewed it as torture even before they removed being gay as a disease from the DSM. Conversion Theory is in the same leagues as Homeopathy and Naturopathy: Its pseudoscience being pushed as valid based on nothing other than religious conviction. The 1st Amendment was never for ensuring the freedom to torture people, especially teenagers and children, to fulfill your religious bias against a sexual orientation.
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DeusExMachinima posted:None of that does anything to tell you whether the level of scrutiny for a given setting is at rational, intermediate, or strict. Uhhhhhhh....The American Pediatric Association and the American Medical Association would like a word with you... No, seriously, that's some really flawed argument you are presenting there: Nearly everything your doctor does has to follow some sort of rational and prescribed plan that has been tested and reviewed for efficacy. Its part of why doctors are required to constantly attend summits and conferences on new methods. Hell, its why we only allow peer reviewed and approved methods to be used in medical practice. Its ALSO why the Florida Physicians Association is so upset over not being able to ensure their patients are safe, because there is a rational and proven connection to safety in the home and patient health. This is not a first amendment issue, regardless of what the courts say. http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...dium=SocialFlow Planned Parenthood has, for the first time, endorsed a Presidential Candidate in a primary: Its Clinton of course.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Yes, exactly. Which is why your preference that asking about guns remains legal and conversion therapy being illegal doesn't matter. If restricting one isn't a 1A problem then neither is the other, being the setting for both is in a state licensed professional's office. Oh, fair enough, that does make sense now.
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http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...arily_step_downquote:Eric Fanning made national headlines last September when Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee fibbed about his qualifications to become the next Secretary of the Army. Fanning, who is gay, is immensely qualified and was nominated because of his qualifications to serve as the next head of the Army.
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Muscle Tracer posted:Conversion therapy is treatment. Its not a real treatment.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Wasn't that the one that had some line to the tune of "critical thinking and/or the scientific method teaches kids to question obedience to traditional authority figures, so none of that in our god-fearin' schools," or am I thinking of something else? That is absolutely what they said. Critical thinking encourages people to question official positions on things. They don't like that.
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Jan 11, 2016 22:33
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rkajdi posted:Did you never read the Conservapedia thread? Schlafly had a whole thing about Relativity not being real. He was comparing it moral relativity or something. He's also a trained electrical engineer that didn't want to teach people complex numbers. You also see certain conservative Christians get bent out of shape about set theory, since multiple unequal infinities are an affront to their beliefs. It's just using whatever warbling about Jesus they come up with to stay as ignorant as possible for as long as possible. We're at the point where this is going to reduce the ability of flyover country to properly educate their children to be part of the current economy. I had to explain to a guy how relativity allows us to use GPS. He didn't believe me, and said Einstein made it all up. When asked why he believed that, he said his preacher had said relativity was atheist hogwash. This is middle Georgia.
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rkajdi posted:Having been to backwater Georgia a bunch to go to MCLB Albany, I can attest that this thinking is par for the course there. Well, to be fair, explaining to people how space flight works tends to be met with 'Well, I bet the moon landings were all faked/exaggerated anyways' a lot around here. And Georgia is a state famous for fighting for the Religious Freedom of Creationism in the classroom.
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Jan 11, 2016 23:04
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rkajdi posted:Increased scientific literacy (and hell, regular literacy while we're at it) is what it's going to take to make people capable of operating in a modern society. At this rate, all you're getting KS and OK to turn into is The Land That Hope Forgot (But Meth Still Remembers). We already have an Alabama and a Mississippi, we can't afford a second of each. Carl said it best: quote:We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan
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Jan 12, 2016 01:28
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foobardog posted:I've heard a lot of anecdotes of creationist doctors and biologists (Ben Carson for example) who just compartmentalize their science knowledge from "God's Truth". It's how stuff like "microevolution" becomes a term. Well, and the issue is (especially in places in the South like Georgia, Mississippi, Texas, etc.) these nuts then get positions on the school board and start changing the lesson plans to insert their own home spun wisdom, despite the fact that the courts have time and again told them to knock it off.
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Jan 12, 2016 01:31
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fishmech posted:Do keep in mind that these are the same places that had to have the supreme court first beat them back from completely banning evolution, and then beat them back later from mandating creation be taught as well even when they couldn't bar teaching evolution. This is no sort of new movement, it's something that's been ongoing since the dawn of public education in this country - and there's likely been places teaching straight up creation for years. You just wouldn't have heard of them because everyone there agrees that evolution is the devil's work or whatever the gently caress. No, I'm aware if that. But there IS new movement, especially in Red States: Charter schools. And defunding Public Education to fund them
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fishmech posted:Charter schools are whites only schools under another name, a ton of the time. Nothing new really. No, not in this case. Multiple Private Christian Schools have popped up in my county, and they are sucking the funds out of the Public Schools.
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Jan 12, 2016 02:30
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fishmech posted:Yes in this case. Those parents' parents didn't "need" the private "christian" school (yeah I bet they're about as Christian as a shinto shrine) when they were growing up, because the public schools were kept "safely" whites only or near enough for their purposes. ....no, they are pretty hardcore Christian. I know one of the local ones teaches Creationism and has a Biblical History class, and does a lot of Christian Rallys. This is right outside of Atlanta.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:Hm yes I can't imagine that there's any demand for majority-white schools near Atlanta That wasn't the point.
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g0del posted:Aren't there a lot of low-info people in KY who love kynect and simultaneously hate Obamacare? Doesn't this move open him up to attacks from the right claiming that he forced Obamacare on KY? Kentucky is home to a lot of Evangelicals, so yes.
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Talmonis posted:This merits little more than a "Hey thanks Iran, for picking up our sailors safely. Sorry they drifted into your waters, and thanks for being cool about it." Pretty much, I had a bunch of DoD friends panic, and then I pointed out that Iran has already, within the hour of the event, said they've verified the story and are trying to get them and their ship sent back safely. Considering the usual beef we have between us, this is pretty  of Iran.
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