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So what was the purpose of these fires these three ranchers set? Were they actually terroristic (is that even a word.) or is that an over reach? Not that I agree with the militia. I think it's a "whoever wins we lose" kind of situation.
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What are the odds the FBI has a mole inside the refuge? They've gotta have something up their sleeve being so hands off. A lot of militia just filtered in after the occupation, that seems easy enough vector for a plant.
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Jan 19, 2016 19:11
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I doubt there will be a raid. Seems like the plan is to wait for them to leave the county and pick them up. Cooper is a loving psycho so everyone is waiting for some dramatic final confrontation. When it doesn't happen, it's going to come down to Cooper, Moroni, and Fry's ability to keep the movement going. I doubt it lasts another week.
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Archonex posted:The amount of howling from both sides of the aisle about using armed drones on American citizens would be insane to hear. Never mind that the sort of automated weapons people think of when it comes to drones aren't exactly really precise. This already happened years ago. Nobody cared. Archonex posted:Oh, yeah, I got that. Edited my post but i'll switch it back and post here to clarify that it'd almost surely end up cycling back into the whole "is it right to use drones on american civilians" debate. Since it's still an automated weapon system and people are dumb. No sane person will give them any legitimacy no matter what happens. They are also already legitimate in the minds of their crazy supporters.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:23
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I feel so bad for this dude.  "I'm gonna have to smash this window" "this isn't even my truck."I feel bad for the kid in that marijuana car but seriously lol "You are under arrest!" "I do not consent!" "He doesn't consent!" "Call the police!" "We are the police!" yeah okay. And then looking at the comments, all the sovcits are coming out to defend their fellow idiots.Visual evidence of law enforcement reaction to their magic legal spells still doesn't deter them.I don't even 
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Jan 28, 2016 10:07
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Tei posted:A solution to the conflict is to build a wall around the building and put "federal jail" in the door of the wall. They are already in federal land. People getting hated on for being morons and assholes isn't group think, it's motherfucking cause and effect.
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Jan 28, 2016 17:44
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KittyEmpress posted:As a vegetarian I can't wait until we move onwards to our meat free paradise and all these horrible ranchers are left with worthless, pointless land, and their entire lifestyle is made obsolete. Do you own anything metal, such as a car? Coal mining isn't going away even if better energy sources are utilized as long as we need steel.
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Jan 28, 2016 18:26
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KittyEmpress posted:This is true but production, much like oil production for plastics only would, could be scaled back massively if we moved away from it as an energy source, which would still result in a glut of mines either slowing down or just shutting down, which would lose hundreds or thousands of people jobs. I don't disagree, but I do want to point out the coal used for steel is chemically different from the coal used for energy, so those mines wouldn't be affected in the slightest. Also, even if we embraced alternative energy, we would likely just step up our exports of fossil fuels.
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Jan 28, 2016 18:32
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These guys kinda remind me of Caro.
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Jan 28, 2016 18:52
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Evil Fluffy posted:Being holier than thou is pretty much a requirement for vegetarians. It's better when one preaches "right with nature" poo poo at you while ignoring that humans are very clearly omnivores by nature and forcing oneself to be an herbivore is very much not "right with nature" at all. I'm a vegetarian too, not all are like that. It's just when they are it stands out in people's memory more. The nature argument is always stupid. Who cares what's natural? The natural way for humans to eat meat is to literally chase an animal in the kalahari desert for hours until one of them dies from heat exhaustion.
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Jan 28, 2016 19:03
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SquadronROE posted:What I don't get about the Sovereign Citizens and such, is why we aren't just treating them as if they're mentally ill. I mean, they are incredibly delusional - to the point where they can't understand the real world anymore and are a danger to themselves and others since they don't think laws matter. Like that guy in the "Sovereign Citizens getting owned" video who just drove off from the cop during the traffic stop. What if he had been drunk or something? Most of them think that there can only be a crime if there is an injured party. Are you driving drunk, but nobody is hurt? No crime has been committed then.
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Jan 28, 2016 19:18
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Mr Interweb posted:Wait, if Cliven is surrounded by armed guards at his ranch at all times, and supposedly can't leave the ranch, why hasn't the FBI cut off supplies and any form of communication with the outside world? This is their main source of evidence.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:09
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Ran Mad Dog posted:It might have been the Feds mistake to release the video so late, as it gave all of the brainwashed idiots a good chance to absorb the "murdered" narrative and decide what reality was before actually seeing it. Even on Freep though, some old men are saying that after watching the video that Mr. Tarp hosed up and shouldn't have made the movements he did, even if they don't specifically say that he was going for a gun. I doubt that would have happened without the video. Remember, before the video dropped they were claiming he was on his knees with his hands up and was shot in the face execution style following the SUV getting hosed with hundreds of rounds but the occupants surviving through the power of prayer. Every single part of that was shown to be false and the narrative shifted so fast it gave me whiplash. There was never going to be a convincing of the true believers, the best outcome was showing everybody else how nutty they were. Unrelated to this, but people worrying about handing this with kids gloves because it might inspire attacks have the wrong impression. People like McVeigh or Nichols, wouldn't have just gone on to live normal lives if poo poo like Waco didn't happen. They would've latched on to any incident that conflicted with their narrative whether it was a federal government policy or a speeding ticket.
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Perfectly Safe posted:e: They've already made up their mind to do it. McVeigh and Nichols spent a lifetime in the echo chamber and they were going to go off whether it was Waco, some other Clinton conspiracy, or getting a ticket in the Kane's case. Even the nature of their targets is random. Dylann Roof was always going sit through a sermon and murder everyone there no matter how much welfare was cut. If it's not this ideology it's the next because all they're looking for is some way to justify indulging in their violent fantasies. These people are totally unhinged, but notably a totally separate group from the weekend warrior type. This isn't Iraq, no matter how they position their delusions.
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Feb 4, 2016 00:11
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lol those other three militants got themselves charges instead of getting that other dude's dropped.
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the fbi should have just set a fire like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53DVN6s0gas&t=4711s
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