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Feb 5, 2016 04:39
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Am I watching the GOP debate suddenly
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Feb 5, 2016 04:41
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Any time you kill someone, they could have been innocent. Many were. gently caress that, we aren't able to ever have 100% proof to kill someone. Let's not stoop to murderers levels.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:42
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Not a Step posted:The death penalty is super prejudiced against minorities and should be abolished forever immediately. If this is not your answer you can get hosed. But but Hillary loves black people, even if all her policies gently caress them over as did her husbands
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Feb 5, 2016 04:42
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Yoshifan823 posted:The number of people who get killed despite being innocent is greater than zero, so the death penalty is terrible Worst part is keeping them in prison is cheaper because of how lovely our prison system is underfunded.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:43
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Logikv9 posted:reminder that the GOP gives no fucks about poors and lead poisoning Hillary doesn't care about minorities if she's okay with the death penalty.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:44
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Thump! posted:Yeah seriously, for all the rancor and back in forth in this debate and this thread, people shouldn't forget that the GOP don't give a single goddamned gently caress about actual important things. Also true, but "will gently caress over black people less than the GOP" shouldn't be our goal post
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Feb 5, 2016 04:45
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:She said she'd be fine with abolishing it at the state level, but wants to keep it at the federal level for terrorism, etc. Yeah because that totally won't be exploited. Just get rid of it entirely.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:46
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Thump! posted:
Clinton administration already did that anyways in the 90s with the 3 strike policy and such.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:47
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Zaphod42 posted:Bernie calling out the minority double standards yet again. Right on. Gotta get that minority vote.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:47
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Majorian posted:I don't think there's any denying that he's moving her positions to the left - not a huge amount, but it's still A Good Thing. They'll move right back when she's elected.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:48
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FizFashizzle posted:god hillary is good at this At least Bernie has an honest vibe and actually shows he cares about minority voters and the constituents and gives good answers.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:49
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That applause for his record of never supporting a 'trade' (aka remove american jobs) is great.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:49
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blue squares posted:Wrong. When politicians "move to the left" because of a primary challenger, it's not because they have no opinions of their own. It's because the challenger has demonstrated that there is actually support for those leftish positions. Obama supporters badly wanted single-payer, and it polled super popular because people love Medicare. Yet here we are with crappy insurance policies people can't afford.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:50
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Powercrazy posted:Bernie is 100% on point with trade. But you see he sucks at foreign policy
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Feb 5, 2016 04:51
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blue squares posted:You need to read up on the writing and passing of the ACA. Obama doesn't just get to wave his magic wand and pass whatever he wants He had a super majority. Single payer could have passed.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:52
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blue squares posted:Wrong! Do some research So instead we ended up with Republican legislation and subsidized insurance companies, cool. Ted Cruz literally just wants to redo the ACA but cut out the few protections outside of forcing people to pay companies for health insurance.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:54
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Obama had the bully pulpit, people wanted single payer. If blue dog democrats didn't follow the line, it would have looked bad on them. Instead we have this weird system that can easily be repealed or changed and most people don't even want. Yay.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:56
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Tatum Girlparts posted:"Political capitol is a dumb idea, Chuck" Nope I was. I even voted for Obama in 08. Dropping single payer before you even get to the bargaining table is just giving free ground to republicans for negotiation.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:57
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Despite having a supermajority the Democrats couldn't even get a public option in Obamacare basically because Joe Lieberman is a jerk. Democrats are not going to get 60 senators again for quite some time, so how is single-payer going to happen anytime soon? Getting voters to come out and replace them and hope to god gerrymandering goes away (lol at the last one ever happening)
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Feb 5, 2016 04:59
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mormonpartyboat posted:do people actually think campaign finance reform would stop companies from keeping politicians indebted to them? It does if you audit people's income and see they get large speaking fees or whatever from companies, and try to go into voucher systems like Seattle is doing so you can have all candidates be grassroots.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:00
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Not a Step posted:Blue dogs stabbed so many holes in the ACA it'll never get patched up properly, much less expanded. I would have been much happier with a single payer punched with a bunch of holes than what we have now.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:00
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Joementum posted:It's a waste of time. Money will always find a way. So we should just go "eh let them do it?" That's like saying just keep letting white collar crime walk because "it's going to happen anyways"
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Feb 5, 2016 05:01
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Joementum posted:Any Congress that could enact meaningful campaign finance reform could also raise the top marginal rate and put in place a rigorous financial crime enforcement regime, which I think are more meaningful reforms. why not do everything
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Feb 5, 2016 05:04
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To be fair Hillary despite not supporting gay marriage did do some positive things for LGBT people when she was in office She made passport changes really easy for troons iirc as secretary of state
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Feb 5, 2016 05:05
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Joementum posted:I don't trust that campaign finance reform can be done in a meaningful way that doesn't also exclude, say, collective spending by unions. I mean I'm fine with unions losing that power too, so long as companies get hampered. Unions should just mobilize their people to donate to the candidate they think they'd want. Companies could too with its employees, so long as there's no strongarming.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:07
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Rynn posted:"Political revolution" young people go out and vote people make grassroots support for candidates BAM
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Feb 5, 2016 05:07
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Yoshifan823 posted:Unions are already being completely destroyed both inside and out, don't take that away from them too. I mean in a Bernie government union strengthening would hopefully happen before you crushed union lobbying
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Feb 5, 2016 05:08
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Prorat posted:I'm voting based on hotness of wives. post bill in drag please
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Feb 5, 2016 05:09
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mannerup posted:"HES A GOD drat SOCIALIST" don't forget the subtle antisemitism too
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Feb 5, 2016 05:10
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Vote for who, are you going to make these local leftist candidates manifest out of the mist? I think that's what grassroots is called
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Feb 5, 2016 05:11
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Prorat posted:Who won? MSNBC bank accounts. Thanks for letting us use you for advertising money! Did the livestream show ads because I had adblock on like a true bernie supporter
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Feb 5, 2016 05:12
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Yoshifan823 posted:You want to know how you get a political revolution going? Seattle is doing that if its any consolation. Like hardcore its pretty much the progressive political lab at this point for a city. Humboldt County in Northern California have been doing it on a rural level already.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:13
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Majorian posted:Who cares? Were you seriously hoping for the same level of entertainment from these two relatively sane individuals? I'm happy to watch these two not destroy their chances while the Republicans flay each other alive. Even though I don't like it I actually care about who my local reps are and am weird and go to local town council meetings and such so I'll probably vote Hillary if she's there on the ticket this election
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Feb 5, 2016 05:14
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Yoshifan823 posted:Good. Let's get more of that poo poo going. She'd be Bernie's age when she could reasonably run so yeah, I'm all for that. Hopefully her and Bernie can keep the senate commanded if Hillary takes office and more progressives keep getting elected.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:15
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Rynn posted:One thing that I think would go a long way would be to make Election Day a national holiday, and make it law that if you have to work that day you are given at least 2 hours to go vote or your company incurs a fine per person. I'm already planning after I finish training to be a manager to give my employees time off in a rotation on Election Day to go vote because of how much it pisses me off that it's not a holiday.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:17
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:I legitimately did not know this and am impressed You see an AMA on the Bernie reddit every few days of people that actually have serious campaigns at various levels. People do want to do this. The progressive wing should be growing.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:19
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HiHo ChiRho posted:She performed well when put on the defensive. Bernie's campaign blunders caught up to him and left him vulnerable, to the point where Hillary was able to nail him on a vote for a bill pushed by her own husband without being called out. There was almost no substance in this debate at all care of MSNBC, so all it did was just cement the fact that Hillary performs best on a defensive and Bernie sticks to the same talking points. The good thing is neutral voters that aren't firmly in the "I want Hillary to win because I'll be damned if I wait 4-8 years for Liz Warren cause I may die before then" do find favorability in Bernie, so this should be a long race. Bet Bernie will destroy Minnesota.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:20
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Typo posted:the problem is I don't think bernie gives a poo poo about down ticket elections either Nah he's mentioned it a few times in a few of his stumps, "I can't do it without you" is pretty much saying "loving VOTE ME SOME PROGRESSIVES IN"
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Feb 5, 2016 05:21
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Tatum Girlparts posted:When their first example is one of Lawrence Lessig's disciples I'm not sure how solid a case this is, but yea, awesome, let's see if Sanders can actually cultivate this because a lot of his revolution talk is hands off and that worries me. I hope Bernie keeps up his funding even after he's elected president and turns it into a "fund progressives I endorse" fund People love throwing money at him, hell I threw Benjamin Franklin at him.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:22
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