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I'm also wondering how many big corps are actually using that API, and how API licenses work in that regard. I don't think disney needs API to have some intern posting "Try Disney+ today <funny meme>" Like Nintendo switch lets you post screenshots and videos from your switch to twitter - that almost certainly uses API, but does nintendo pay a single for a single API? Does it cost for every user? Or are they already on that advanced API that already exists and costs money? I would not put it past a bunch of companies to just have an employee do things "the hard way" rather then paying up for APIs too.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's more of an issue of finding out at the same time as everyone else, having no idea what the implications are for them, and being like "okay gently caress taking any chances." I wonder how the advertising situation is on Twitter these days. Feel like Elon's doing a really good job destroying trust in the platform.
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Neo Rasa posted:I'm not a computer person but API, Application Programming Interface, isn't this something you want as many people to have and use as possible to keep your stuff ubiquitous? I mean I'm not smart enough to spend $44 billion on Twitter but still it seems like an odd decision. In the case of twitter, it feels like the biggest uses of the API is letting people post through other applications. There's probably a reasonable argument for wanting to charge corporations who have fancy tweet scheduling and automation as part of their marketing strategy, but I assume that could be probably be better handled through some advertiser policy? The other defense that Elon is holding up is to stop bots (which API probably does make much easier to run) - but it's really not hard to make a bot that will just post through real twitter / skip the API. Or if it's a scamming bot they'll just pay the charge and maybe still make a profit. This will kill off a lot of gimmick accounts that repost memes, cute cat pictures, every single frame of Lord of the Rings, etc. and to that end, it's an incredibly boneheaded move because those kinds of "bots" almost certainly drive engagement with the app. I also know of an app that allows you to cross post art to many websites, and without API access to Twitter, that dies too. So to your point, in this case, Twitter's API being free is definitely something that seems hugely beneficial for the site.
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I'm not clear on how much of AI Seinfeld is properly curated, so I kind of assumed it was a bit of funny, unintentional "art imitates reality" when I saw the headline. Particularly when I think real Seinfeld has got a bit into the "complaining about college snowflakes" junk IIRC.
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Name Change posted:Most of the time it's 2-3 lines of inane nonsense as George's arms fold inside his body and he floats under the couch. TBH I'm not sure what the appeal was. Probably just the novelty of smashing together a bunch of AI generation - not to mention having it running 24/7 - like twitch plays pokemon, or that guy's goldfish playing pokemon. From a thing I saw talking about it, apparently the twitch chat was part of the appeal as people reacted with authenticity?
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Saw a video the other day - guy who's been doing Mario 64 hacking has done all sorts of engine improvements and optimizations thanks to the source code leaks basically tried to get ChatGPT to optimize some of his code: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QZlQMpNk-M It's really neat, but one of the takeaways seems to be that ChatGPT can be -confidentially wrong- and sometimes just suggest things that aren't possible or maybe don't make sense. I don't think any of the optimizations really ended up helping Kaze, but it definitely seemed to produce results he seemed to think was worth trying, and the ability for him to go "okay how do I implement that idea" seemed interesting.
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Ruffian Price posted:I knew there was still room to improve on the plastic rubber duck. Instead of using fossil fuels once during production, you can burn them continuously to keep it going Is AI that resource/energy intensive? I know it takes a good deal of processing power, but I have the impression it's very far from "crypto farm" levels.
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withoutclass posted:My work still has an exactly 8 character limit and forces a rotation every 90 days. It's a joke. Or at least there was a point where my work wanted one of each (1 letter 1 number 1 special character) - I don't think there was anything like an 8 character limit, but rotation happened frequently enough that it was maddening coming up with something you could remember and deal with typing multiple times a day.
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Epic High Five posted:I guess that's what I'm trying to say, the scale may be (at the moment) smaller, but it's still 100% waste. I mean, this website is arguably 100% energy waste. A lot of internet tech is. AI definitely has a bit of a "machine that generates garbage" vibe to it, I think there's a lot more legitimacy and potential to it that's being undercut by the fact it's so closely associated with Web3 Crypto and NFT people and poo poo, and the other side of the coin of being incredibly unethical in the face of displacing working people or turning others work into profit through training models.
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Volmarias posted:This dead Internet forum generates entertainment and facilitates communication as well as learning. Given the numbers that we have from Jeffrey it's not very expensive either, and isn't used as a form of money laundering. The only thing wasting energy here is you're posting, and the effort required to store and transmit it. I generally think this forum is a good thing and good use of energy, I guess I just think "AI is waste of/needless use of energy" is perhaps a weak criticism because you can kind of apply that criticism broadly, and perhaps make similar excuses for AI providing at the very least, entertainment. It's sort of the opposite of crypto, where the energy waste was probably the dumbest/worst part about it, where as AI as a lot of other problems/concerns.
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pumpinglemma posted:I think it's worth thinking about energy consumption in the sense that an AI-run spam farm (or scam call centre, or spear phisher, or telemarketing firm, or...) could directly turn electricity and bandwidth into money the moment it becomes technically feasible, resulting in the same horrifying feedback loop as with cryptocurrency but with far worse consequences for society than graphics card shortages. But it also feels like if we reach the point where the energy consumption is the most worrying thing about that scenario, we've probably also reached the point of indiscriminately bombing every country that allows it just to make it stop. Like with crypto it was almost literally turning electricity into money, thus the feedback loop. But AI basically has to create some kind of product - and likely AI might just create saturation problem where you just have a mountain of mediocre garbage media. I also wonder if AI displaces enough real workers that it starts to lose material to model off of, and basically starts modeling off of other AIs, creating some sort of hosed up AI incest devolution - but like you mention, that probably won't be a thing until we've reached a point where the damage is already done from people being displaced. Honestly I think one of the bigger concerns of AI in the near term is stupid trend chasing that corps tend to do that we saw with NFTs. They'll make a bunch of promises to shareholders about implementing AI tech, maybe lay off workforce, only to end up with mediocre products or have to scrap a bunch of stuff when it doesn't work out as well as they'd hope.
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All the attempts to make "show your government ID to look at porn" laws made me think - political will aside, tech wise, how hard would proof-of-identity be to implement on phone systems and otherwise curb spoofing? Cause it dawns on me just how silly it is that people can get texts from random numbers pretending to be UPS, Fedex, etc -and obviously it's annoying me that there seems to be more concern about stopping online anonymity for dumb puritanical (and probably more insidious reasons too) then there seems to be any effort being made to curb phone/text scamming. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Feb 25, 2023 |
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Oh interesting, a few years ago I was getting a ton of spoof calls from local numbers, and at some point it just quieted down (though there was a brief resurgence?) I still think I get the odd one though. I guess this is why.
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VikingofRock posted:Apparently Google can't even afford to give its in-office workers a desk anymore. Instead, they are telling people (including people who currently come in every day) to come in two days / week and share their desk with someone else for the other two days. Needless to say, the ergonomic factor, as well as the idea of bringing everything home with me or using a locker, seems like an absolute hassle that does not make hybrid worth it. But I also kind of get not wanting to have dedicated desks for people who might come in at some point. For any company mandating a minimum amount of days in office though, it's down right moronic, but doesn't strike me as much different from the open concept office trash - just kind of the next step.
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blunt posted:Microsoft tried to buy discord in 2021 for $10billion - three billion more than their most recent valuation. On the other hand, to me discord's entire appeal was "hey, look, a good alternative now that microsoft hosed skype," so maybe they feared something similar. 
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I assume on PC that uses the stupid xbox app that barely ever works right. Interestingly, I once ran into a really weird issue where no-one on Destiny 2 (Steam PC) could here me in the in game voice (I could hear others.) - turns out in the xbox game bar thing my audio device had gotten changed to my VR headset (which wasn't even plugged in) - so I'm guessing Destiny 2 must be making use of xbox party chat or something for it's in-game voice? Or I have no idea what's happening there since it needs to also be cross-platform with playstation.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I went to target twice this past weekend, used self checkout both times and has absolutely no issues. I don’t think I was being speedy about it either, just normal speed scan and pack neatly into my canvas bags. Earlier self checkouts were pretty picky about "unexpected item in bagging area" - I wonder if people just had bad experiences with that and have avoided them since, or some areas still just have older /pickier machines/software.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Tho the best part of self checkout is that the old fucks ahead of you can't pay by check. gently caress them KittyEmpress posted:Yeah self checkout is convenient now but it feels less convenient and more time consuming than the pre self checkout era that was erased. Also all my experiences with "express" checkouts was it'd be the slowest lane because it either doubled as the only cash you could buy certain things at, or because it just lacked a "gently caress off with your 10 coupons, 3 price checks, pay-by-cheque" policy skybolt_1 posted:Cursed post. No baggers? Begone Satan! Having employees who are specifically bagging feels like some psychopath poo poo. Customers can pack their own drat groceries, the lazy shits. Unless they're actually physically limited, in which case, sure, help them out.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:That's cool or I could just not do that. Because I don't want to, because that's the loving cashier's job and he is better at it. I agree there's something kind of lame about companies offloading the job of an employee onto the customer, but man does it not feel worth it to stand in line for like 5 minutes just so someone else can drag my stuff over a scanner and occasionally punch in 4 digits. Personally the benefit for me is less waiting, it's a little easier to pack my bag(s) and you can occasionally make an oopsie-in-your-favor when scanning. Again, it does feel lovely that a lot of self checkout amounts to companies saving money by offloading work to the customer, rather then any customer convenience (if not inconvenience for many) but I'd also imagine in some fantastical post-capitalist utopia, or even a world where we have some good kind of UBI, you'd probably be scanning your own groceries anyways because lol at the idea of anyone actually wanting to be a cashier.
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Blut posted:I'm shocked so many people in the tech thread are actually still grocery shopping in person, self checkouts or not. As of mid 2022 about 60% of people in the UK buy at least some of their groceries online, 16% all of their groceries online. And those figures are going up consistently year to year. I tried a grocery delivery thing during the pandemic but I didn't really care for paying a bunch extra for someone to pick out a bunch of substitutes I didn't want, and even when I would pick "don't substitute" also the website UI sucked and there was a lot of confusing stuff when it came to picking items that would normally be weighed, and was just generally annoying to navigate and find exactly what I wanted. If it didn't cost extra, I'd probably consider it more, but I generally shop in small amounts and buy stuff as I need it, and so it seems super wasteful when I can just walk 5 minutes to the store.
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I run ublock on chrome and haven't had to do any extra work to block the youtube stuff yet. I'm sure im jinxing myself by posting. Aware posted:Am I in the minority that actually thinks YouTube premium is absolutely worth it in terms of content I consume (plus music) and is a small price to pay to support the creators I like without ads? Like enjoy your adblocking cat and mouse game as much as you like but I don't begrudge the platform and creators $12 a month or whatever it is in my moon currency. I'd probably be tempted to spring for premium/ad-free if it was a bit cheaper. 12$ isn't a lot, but it feels like a lot for something I'm very used to getting for free. Like 12$ feels like most of a sub to a service that has like, actual "premium" content on it. Feels hard to cough that up for what will mostly amount to getting rid of ads, and probably pennies at best to the creators I watch. Evil Fluffy posted:OTOH if ads weren't the most obtrusive poo poo imaginable that makes pages load slower I'd have never bothered with ad blockers in the first place.
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Feel like you lessen environment impact with less cars, not driverless cars. Like, maybe there's a future where people don't really own cars, and a majority make use of a shared pool of driverless cars in a taxi like system, such that you have far less cars per capita, but it's still a very low density option. That said, it feels unfortunately more likely that will happen then convincing America and many other countries to just build less car-focused cities and better public transit.
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Honestly it makes me think of the electronic scooters that have come to annoy many people because startups don't really have to have any consideration for storage or where they get left. Like, this isn't some common good that we collectively deal with for something better, it's corporations just testing tech to gain more profits and a bigger stranglehold on poo poo. I'm not really convinced self driving will ever be as good as it needs to be - there seems like there's just too many weird edge cases and need for the AI to adapt to unpredictable situations that it's not going to make sense. I find it funny that people sometimes point out that arguments for better public transit and "15 minute cities" don't make sense for the large parts of America that are rural and spread out....but I feel like self-driving doesn't really either, because there's almost certainly much less testing being done for all the weird edge cases you might run into in those areas with the focus of self-driving being in major cities.
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Mister Facetious posted:The theory of driverless cars being safer is predicated on a future where every car is driverless. But "every car is driverless" is as unlikely of a scenario as America embracing public transit and less car dependent cities.
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Mister Facetious posted:That's the joke. The only way is going to happen is over forty years, as insurance companies lobby to only have insurance count when the AI does the driving. Which is funny because it sounds like AI cars already have a habit of going "
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I'm curious how well AIs could be set up to handle stuff like black ice or other loss-of-control scenarios. Humans don't handle these well, but I feel like you have scenarios where humans *can* make on the fly decision making that would be extraordinarily hard to design an AI to do? Like the fact a bunch of self driving cars were incapacitated by placing a traffic cone on the hood makes me feel like self driving cars will always have weird sorts of blind spots where a human could easily correct.
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Foxfire_ posted:I don't think the cone thing is any sort of weird blind spot. That is an intentional "There is an object on the hood blocking sensor view" => "Don't start driving when the sensors aren't working" behavior. But for what is supposed to be an autonomous taxi, that sort of feels like A Problem. If self driving cars remain a thing where a driver with full driving experience needs to remain behind the wheel because the car can't handle someone putting a cone on the hood is enough to incapacitate it, or worse, blowing wet snow blocks the sensors, it seems like a pretty loving useless technology. e: I'm not really convinced AI cars are ever going to reach the point people like to imagine they will. "Cars don't have hands" basically does mean there's going to be all sorts of little problems the car will not be able to solve by itself, that it might otherwise need to. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Oct 30, 2023 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:I mean it makes no sense to design your robotaxi car for the extreme edge case of “douchebag physically covering up the sensor array”. Like some rear end in a top hat could just as easily walk into an elevator and rip out all the buttons so nobody could use it anymore. Doesn’t seem like much you can do to prevent this other than like idk putting guns on the cars/elevators. People have a hell of a lot more reason to sabotage robotaxis then they do to sabotage elevators. Just take a look at the ways Ubers were protested by older taxi services, or the fact that it's less "douchebags" putting cones on the taxis and more people annoyed that these lovely barely tested taxis are constantly blocking traffic and creating problems. "The sensor array might be blocked, either unintentionally or maliciously" is absolutely something you need to design for. What if a branch falls on a robotaxi, causing it to become stuck, blocking a road?
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Jose Valasquez posted:If someone put a traffic cone on the hood of my self driving car I'd just make it stop and then get out and remove the cone just like if someone put a cone on the hood of my regular car Boris Galerkin posted:Who’s to say it hasn’t been designed for? The car probably phones home for help. I'm sure all the efficiency of AI driven cars will do wonders while waiting for a human to show up and troubleshoot a stuck car while it blocks traffic. but I don't even mean "a branch falls on the car, wrecking it" I mean, a car's sensors become blocked unintentional due to something like nature. Now a car is stuck and needs someone to show up to fix it, all while possibly blocking a road or otherwise creating a hazard. I'm basically not convinced a world of fully autonomous robotaxis is a realistic thing because there's just a lot of little problems that are hard to account for.
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Chronojam posted:You can put a series of cones across some traffic lanes, right now, and stop most humans from using that lane or even turning down an entire street. A human might be able to discern if they're being hosed with, and take actions to get past. and again, this is sort of the root of my point: Humans can make decisions an AI will never be able to. They won't always be good, but they will be ones AI can't. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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On one hand, human drivers are bad and AI/Self driving probably has a lot of room to make things safer. On the other, having worked with computers and software all my life, I don't think I really want to trust it with my life on a daily basis, with regards to driving. Like, all the theoreticals aside, I'm very skeptical self-driving will reach a point where we collectively go "yep, you can sit in the back seat without a care in the world. No driver's license required." Or if it does reach that point, we've hosed up because it's solving our problems the wrong way. Like, maybe a combination of cities that are not car focused AND self driving is the best future, but I feel like the focus on self-driving will just become an excuse to become even more car focused. You will sit in self driving traffic. It maybe be better then current traffic, or it may be worse because more people will be in self-driven cars. But it's going to be okay because you'll be doing your remote work. The poors will sit on the self driven bus, and it will be miserable as ever because it will yield to all self driven cars owners that are paying for the premium subscription that gives them "premium route-finding, guaranteed to get you to your destination faster!"
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Tnega posted:Eh, at some point we have to define what "tech" is, thousands die yearly from non-robotic cars being manually operated. Is that "tech"? If someone's clothing gets caught on the conveyor belt and get a one-way trip to the grain elevator, is that "tech"? In this case, the robot was undergoing maintenance, so, while a tragedy, I do not believe is a "nightmare". I'm somewhat inclined to agree, but the core of it feels like "how is tech making our lives worse for the sake of someone's pocketbook" - like at some point that grain elevator example very much fit this definition. But that definition is so broad as to be meaningless, so I'm inclined to agree with a "novel ways" clarification.
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Mister Facetious posted:Canada has been doing this for about thirty years. Glad of it too, cause I almost never carry cash/change with me these days.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I think it is either both or just talking about drive through. ah, yes, nothing like the speed, accuracy and satisfaction of having to correct what the AI heard a dozen times. I'm sure the sound of traffic or other nearby things won't cause issue either. and I'm sure this won't be a massive headache for the average order, much less specialty or complex orders.
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I thought retailers controlled their prices in the app - the apps themselves tack on extra fees, but most retailers up charge through the app cause the apps are taking cuts on top of the fees. They probably could be configured pretty easily to pass through the "real time" prices, but how much apps would want to encourage those practices could be up in the air.
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I still don't believe them, but if I can actually get junk food a bit cheaper by eating an early dinner, sure, that'd be neat.Boris Galerkin posted:Let’s look at Burger King: (I was gonna quote the cheese thing but it looks like you clarified about rennet) Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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Volmarias posted:Disagree, NFTs have no redeeming value. Using ML for music videos lets artists play around for relatively cheap with ideas. I feel like ML is in such a fad-like and ethically questionable place right now it's not *that* different. Like, sure, if we destroyed capitalism, AI model learning could provide something of value as opposed to NFTs literally being incapable, but practically, it will be hard to make ML that does not involve just stealing people's work for training data. E: Even then, I have really conflicting opinions on just the idea of AI making certain things "easier," in the sense it's one thing to have the shortcuts for prototyping and the creators that need it, but it sucks when it means bigger companies can start cutting entire jobs or skillsets out. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Mar 10, 2024 |
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