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net cafe scandal posted:I'm more excited for Suicide Squad then I've been for almost any super hero movie, I think. Same. What confuses people is, I think, the gap between the narrative and the economic side of things: "Superman is fighting Batman, and they reference like eight other heroes and villains, so obviously this is the most important movie ever!" In actuality, they shoved all this viral marketing stuff into BVS because it's the unimportant one - guaranteed not to lose money. The studio let Snyder go hog wild with a hallucinogenic, three-hour R-rated director's cut based on his all-time favorite movie (1981's Excalibur). That's not what you do when your life depends on things. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Rhyno posted:Nothing in the Incredible Hulk is connected to Hulk. Yeah, right - just like how nothing in this film is connected to Dark Knight. Audiences don't give a gently caress about canon, and neither do the studios. Hulk 1 ends with him going into hiding in South America, and Hulk 2 opens with him in hiding in South America. That's all you need.
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Apr 3, 2016 23:49
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Apr 4, 2016 18:08
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Darko posted:Fish out of water is a tried and true storytelling base just like Hero's Journey. There are different types of 'fish-out-of-water' story, however. Like, fuckin' Tarkovsky's Stalker is a 'fish-out-of-water' story.
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Apr 5, 2016 21:10
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I actually like the idea that anyone who's proficient with a stupid weapon gets to be an Avenger. It's very 'Mystery Men'. Like, there's only one or two actual superheroes in the world, so they've resorted to bringing in some person with taser wristbands.
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Apr 6, 2016 00:51
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Sir Kodiak posted:That part is is fun, though, of course, in Mystery Men, the Shoveler actually gets some dialog about what it means for him to use a shovel, how it aligns him with ordinary people who are "super good at their jobs but never get any credit." Oh absolutely. The thing to always keep in mind is that the Avengers are a supervillian team. Like, they literally have a dude named "WAR MACHINE" now. They're the bad guys.
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Apr 6, 2016 08:44
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Kurzon posted:It feels more like nihilism. Ideologues want to establish some form of order, whereas the Joker just wants to watch the world burn. That's according to Alfred, who is wrong.
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Apr 7, 2016 18:21
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computer parts posted:Yeah, remember that the conclusion of his story is literally having Alfred burn down the world to catch a guy. That dialogue actually needs to be read very carefully: "A long time ago, I was in Burma. My friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So, we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never met anybody who traded with him. One day, I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away." Wayne: So why steal them? "Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." Alfred and Wayne are too dumb to realize that the bandit's goal was fighting the government, along with the implicit colonialism Alfred stands for. He was taking away the government's ability to bribe the leaders - and the implication is that he was giving that bribery money to the poor: the child in the story must have been playing in the garbage. Wayne: The bandit, in the forest in Burma, did you catch him? "Yes." Wayne: How? "We burned the forest down." Alfred burns the forest down, but does so in order to preserve the government. He burns half the world. This is ultimately a reference to the logic of Harney Dent, with his Two-Face persona.
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Apr 7, 2016 18:50
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Dark Knight Rises is a goofy-rear end picture that goes all-out with the Inception premise - that people all occupy a shared dream that functions according to movie-logic. People ask how Batman got back from Afghanistan or whatever, and the answer is that shots of two different places were edited together in order to create the illusion of effortless travel.
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Apr 8, 2016 10:30
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GonSmithe posted:Anyone who reads early reactions and expects actual information that matters from them is really dumb. Every comic book movie's early reactions are that its the best one ever, including BvS. The First Impressions Of Avengers: Age Of Ultron Are Out: Surprise, Everyone Loves It. "#AgeOfUltron might be the most true to the comic movie ever. So many images taken right off the page that made me faint with joy. ... Thor is hilarious and Scarlet Witch kicks so much rear end." -Alex Zalben (works for Marvel Comics)
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Apr 9, 2016 20:06
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When WB execs had their big positive reaction, that was likely before the recuts bringing the rating and runtime down.Shageletic posted:Deadpool is likely to outearn it. Deadpool. This is a weird meme. Like Superman has to make more money than this other character because he has higher power levels...? SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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Apr 10, 2016 17:54
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hi liter posted:Because Superman is a long running American icon with a history of financial success and significant cultural cache. It's like if a Peewee Herman haphazardly put together a film that outgrossed a Will Ferrell Christmas blockbuster. If people actually cared about how 'iconic' a character is, the next Frankenstein movie would shatter box-office records. People pay to see concepts, and Dawn Of Justice is one of those AVP/King Kong Versus Godzilla type of kaiju crossover movies. It's not a genre of film known for making Avatar money. You might note that Captain America: Civil War is not called Captain America Versus Iron Man: Civil War. That's because it is about the Steve Rogers character trying to stop a war. The film centers around that, and all the superhero cameos are fairly gratuitous. It's not a 'Versus' movie.
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Apr 10, 2016 19:33
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Apparently, this is the first minute of action from Avengers 2.5: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x43hv18_captain-america-civil-war-official-movie-clip-1-hd_shortfilms The editing is annoying me.
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Apr 11, 2016 18:02
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Kush posted:How the hell can a movie this big look so cheap? Visually that looks like one of those direct to video action films they keep making in Bulgaria starring Steven Seagal or some other has-been. It's because they got a cinematographer known for his documentary-realistic style (same guy did District 9, and so-on), but no other aspect of the production takes advantage of that.
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Apr 11, 2016 18:20
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sean10mm posted:Cap 2, which I like a good bit, was good when the action was close range, or on the scale of maybe a dozen dudes involved at once doing mostly humanity possible things. Every time it went for big CGI setpieces that were supposed to be spectacular it was kinda just... bad. There are problems like using four different unimpressive shots just to show Red Witch landing. There's no point in using deliberately 'off' framing to sell the realism of the effect if you're going to undercut it like that.
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Apr 11, 2016 18:31
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Guy A. Person posted:Bleh there are some really odd shot choices and editing in that first part. Like you have Cap falling out of a jet and smashing a dude into a car but they choose a really odd angle looking through the car at the dude's back(?). Then the idea of him beaning the guy and catching the shield through another car window is cool but it's done in a really undynamic way. The guys just arent good action directors. What you get is the occasional nice action beat - Steve kicking the truck so hard that it sends the guy flying is very District 9 - that cuts away too fast and is mixed in with a flurry of stuff that aint so great. Kicking the truck is how you punctuate or end a scene, not how you start it. Everything has the same amount of emphasis. There's no rise and fall in the action. It's also very unclear where Falcon is when he zooms around and does his spin-kick thing on the roof. It's that Avengers issue where the putties just randomly appear in shots in order to serve as fodder for poses. Wouldn't the guys on the roof and in the building notice the gunfire only a few metres away? When Falco clotheslines that guy, the body disappears in the next shot. The people on the roof also disappear. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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Apr 11, 2016 19:03
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 These are pretty much consecutive shots. Steve vanishes for most of the sequence, then reappears in the bottom left there. Red Witch flies out of the sunrise to enter the scene, and while sun is setting in these shots above. Colonel Whitey posted:The only thing that looked off to me in that footage was the cut from Falcon's three point landing to him suddenly standing. I feel like no editor should ever allow a cut like that. It does feel edited down to be kind of a sizzle reel but I guess we'll find out in a month. Otherwise the action looked good and I like the practical wire stunt work. Looking for continuity errors is boring and isn't really criticism. I understand that, but I'm not looking for errors. This is like Michael Bay levels of 'gently caress continuity'. Like, it's to the point that you have to consider the lack of continuity part of the style - like how, in the celebrated Winter Soldier knife fight, some shots are taking place on a rainy day, while others show a sunny afternoon.
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Apr 11, 2016 19:32
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MacheteZombie posted:I'm very hesitant to believe that. Yeah, the question there is 'by what metric?'
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Apr 11, 2016 20:03
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DrVenkman posted:That clip was chopped up for the MTV awards. There's enough plot continuity that I don't see where anything would have been cut out.
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Jenny Angel posted:The goalposts for superhero movies are so weird and lowballed, to paraphrase SMG, I sometimes wonder if the folks who indulge in this kind of faint praise even like superhero comics. E.g. when I made some posts lightly criticizing the fight choreography in Deadpool compared to action comedy masters like Chan/Hung and Wright or low budget brutality masters like Evans/Uwais and the response centered on, "Yeah, but for a superhero movie . . ." A big chunk of it is that comics themselves are, largely, pretty awful. We all know the general rule that 90% of movies and whatnot are bad, but comics encourage the consumption of mediocre stuff with that whole 'canon' thing. When fans are like "wow, it's just like the comics!" you end up with a baby drowned in the bathwater, so to speak. Being 'like the comics' is not a good thing. It'd be different if these 'fun like the comics' films were on the same level as Superman The Movie or Captain America: The First Avenger, but they simply aren't. It's also a reaction against the camp of the 1990s - ironic films like Batman & Robin and the exaggerated, extremely stylized melodrama of Ang Lee's Hulk and the Sam Raimi Spidermans. Such style is a liability when you're trying to push the 'seriousness' of comic books along with their inconsequentiality. So what you get is a series of decaffeinated war movies, free of cinemasin.
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Hat Thoughts posted:It doesn't, he's saying that the vast majority of Comics are garbage, but that this is the case with most media forms, the difference is that comics (because of the focus on continuity & canon) encourage steady consumption of the mediocre/not-so-good stuff. Yeah, it's why people always (rightfully) rag on the '1970s political thriller' thing. When you move outside the "superhero genre" (which, at this point, is not really a genre but a modifier that you apply to actual genres), and compare Winter Soldier to other spy movies, it's on par with things like The Bourne Legacy and Salt. Like, Salt is the Black Widow movie people have been clamoring for. It already came out, and nobody gave a poo poo - even though Salt's not a bad movie at all.
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Apr 11, 2016 23:23
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Doctor Strange trailer lookin' real hackish.
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Apr 13, 2016 19:24
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MacheteZombie posted:For something promised as psychedelic it looks very tame. It reminds of when Inception came out, and many critics were upset that it wasn't just the city-flipping scene over and over again. But more specifically, it reminds of a bottom-tier Harry Potter sequel.
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Apr 13, 2016 19:32
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The 'fullest expression of a TV show' and 'not as cerebral as Winter Soldier' should definitely be read as major stealth burns.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:38
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Josh Lyman posted:You don't think "What he has always been is just a person who keeps on fighting, against anything and anyone" is a character flaw? "He won't stop fighting injustice" is not a character flaw. That's silly. The character didn't have any flaws in the First Avenger, and doesn't need any. The problem is that every sequel attempts to 'make the character interesting' by giving him contrived flaws that are either trivial (he dislikes swearing now. And how come he's not married?) or idiotic (he spends months as a black-ops assassin for the illuminati, without questioning anything, until his friends are endangered. Then joins a corporation's private army without questioning anything, until his friends are endangered). And these sequels ignore the actual character flaw that they've unwittingly introduced; the character isn't actually fighting injustice. He's not afraid of peace - he's afraid of actual conflict. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Apr 14, 2016 |
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Apr 14, 2016 15:50
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You can argue that they didn't do Tony or Steve's arcs better, but saying there is none is definitely silly. It's pretty clear the intent is to have each of them start at a different end of the spectrum and each of their arcs results in them crossing each other to ultimately switch sides. It's not really polar like that. Steve Rogers is a hardcore socialist all through First Avenger, then inexplicably resigns himself to just upholding the liberal status quo when he's unfrozen (as shown in Avengers and most of Winter Soldier). Winter Soldier then shows his transition into becoming rather hardcore libertarian - but that is dialed back in Avengers 2, where the situation gets very vague and confused. He's working for a liberal humanitarian corporate peacekeeping force, but then he's like "this is what SHIELD was meant to be!" with the (stolen?) aircraft carrier? Is he working for the government again? Tony Stark, on the other hand, has been caught in a holding pattern since the very first film, just constantly vascillating between being a liberal and being libertarian, based on how bad he feels on a given day. This plot in Civil War is actually no different than his plan with Ultron. He's just using his influence over existing governments to police the world instead of using a robot army.
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:There's no way Civil War will be as bad as BvS right? No, there are dozens of ways.
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AccountSupervisor posted:No actually its incredibly obvious what he saying is true, but its a stupid loving position to talk down to people about because people are completely aware of what hes saying and thats why they are mad. So to fix this problem are we just supposed to cross our fingers that hopefully maybe possibly someday American audiences will completely make a cultural shift or maybe like...filmmakers and Hollywood could try and help ease this cultural shift by maybe even pretending to attempt to creatively solve these issues. The trick is that you have sort-of identified the problem, but have not changed your approach in any way that can deal with it effectively. You must improve your interpretation, rather than expect Hollywood to change films into apolitical 'safe spaces'. The specific problem of women being pressured to look like Scarlett Johansson is something the film itself raises. Even in its preliminary marketing materials, it is an example of "the tremendous pressure which, for example, compels women in our liberal society to undergo plastic surgery, cosmetic implants, Botox injections, etc., in order to remain competitive on the sex market." The character can look like anything, so why does she look like this? And of course that's the very point of Ghost In The Shell: that the internet hasn't brought freedom, ended racism and whatever. Half Johansson's career is about this topic. In The Island, her character realizes she's been created to look like ScarJo because a corporation is preparing to harvest her body. In Under The Skin, her character is again forced to look like ScarJo by extraterrestrial vampire-pimps. In other words: Mordiceius posted:we shouldn't be yelling and screaming at the actors/actresses or the writers and directors and crew. We should be mad at the executives who are enforcing this poo poo. But, going further, what is an executive going to do when they are ultimately beholden to the shareholders, market forces, etc.? The ultimate problem is capitalism, and you're not going to fix that by spamming anybody's twitter.
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Mordiceius posted:thus back to SMG's assertion that the problem is capitalism itself. The funny thing is that CGIing Johansson's face to make her 'look Japanese' would actually be brilliant commentary on the beauty industry - Japanese women are pressured to 'look white', while white women are pressured to 'look asian', and nobody's happy. So here's a cyborg that embodies that contradiction with a japanese woman in the body of a white fembot that's been modified to look japanese. Unfortunately, that's too radical of an image for Hollywood. Make no mistake: people are upset not because that concept is 'offensive' but because it's non-commerical. What many liberals suggest to counter the threat is that retreat into defending 'culture' - the familiar cause of 'preventing cultural appropriation' (e.g. saying only Asians can make 'Asian movies', enforcing a taboo). But that genie's already out of the bottle: actors can already be made into anyone. Note Vision in these marvel films, de-aged Michael Douglas, Doctor Manhattan, etc. Dr. Aki Ross is coming back for vengeance. "One reason Fukuyama moved from his ‘end-of-history’ theory to a consideration of the new threat posed by the brain sciences is that the biogenetic threat is a much more radical version of the ‘end of history’, one that has the potential to render the free autonomous subject of liberal democracy obsolete. There is a deeper reason, however, for Fukuyama’s turn: the prospect of biogenetic manipulation has forced him, consciously or not, to take note of the dark obverse of his idealised image of liberal democracy. All of a sudden, he has been compelled to confront the prospect of corporations misusing the free market to manipulate people and engage in terrifying medical experiments, of rich people breeding their offspring as an exclusive race with superior mental and physical capacities, thus instigating a new class warfare. It is clear to Fukuyama that the only way to limit this danger is to reassert strong state control of the market and to develop new forms of a democratic political will." -Zizek
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Corek posted:https://twitter.com/TheNerdsofColor/status/721430734603436034 Exactly my point: the ultimate nerd goal is to reward Hollywood studios with money. It also seems unlikely that Gods Of Egypt failed because of twitter boycotts.
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CelticPredator posted:This isn't The Walking Dead. Well actually
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Apr 18, 2016 17:27
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Dawn Of Justice is innovative because they made Batman the most broken possible person at the very start of this film, in order to get that 'is he gonna snap?' stuff out of the way. He already snapped offscreen, before the film even began.
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Yaws posted:So are we shown that he snaps or not? The post I was responding to states that it happened off screen. Bruce Wayne and Batman are different.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:All I ever wanted was a Wonder Woman movie directed by Lars von Trier. Dogville is pretty much already that.
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Apr 21, 2016 22:30
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My Lovely Horse posted:should I go to the trouble and squeeze in Iron Man 3/Age of Ultron/Ant-Man before? Feel free to treat this as an "and/or" kind of question. Nope/Nope/...Eh?
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Danger posted:Man of Steel is pretty enduring. Most Superman films have been really (except for III). The Nolan stuff as well. Returning to Watchmen after 8 years(!) of Marvel was revelatory.
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Phylodox posted:Yeah, I still think of Guardians of the Galaxy all the time, and I'm reasonably sure I'll be enjoying Deadpool for years to come, whereas I literally never think of Man of Steel outside of this thread. I guess different people just like different things. Thinking about Guardians of the Galaxy is easy. I just recently thought "what ever happened to that movie?" The trick is to sell us on it.
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TFRazorsaw posted:This was a movie starring the two most popular superheroes of all time, coming after the big superhero movie boom that was already created for it, and not during the LEAD UP to said boom like the Phase 1 movies. It should have done better than it did. Far better. I don't know how this is even up for argument. What this reveals is that the actual profitability is irrelevant, as you are concerned that Superman is not being presented with enough offerings and sacrifices. Literal worship of the Superman character.
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Detective Dog Dick posted:Wow ok, now you're LITERALLY comparing me to one of the Israelites offering trinkets to the Golden Calf. Really? Really?? Well, there is a bit of nuance to it. Nerds are complaining that WB, as caretakers of the Temple Of Superman, are not doing enough to 'spread the good word'. Therefore WB is responsible for the decline in sacrifices presented to Superman. Making roughly the same amount as Guardians Of The Galaxy is a failure to nerds not for any objective reason, but because the blood is being offered to a racoon. Superman is more powerful and righteous than a racoon, so he should be receiving more blood.
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TFRazorsaw posted:That's what I'm trying to make sense of. And failing to make sense of.
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