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Mar 2, 2016 20:01
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It's not just a 'lack of snark' issue imo, MoS has to be grimdark because it doesn't fit the pop culture image of Superman being the guy who saves everyone forever always even to the point of turning back time by spinning the Earth back real fast. People are cool with consequences in general but the Avengers don't have the mythos of Superman so a Superman succeeding but with consequences gets judged more harshly.
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Mar 7, 2016 06:34
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Bob Quixote posted:You can have Gimli and Legolas cracking jokes with one another as they murder their way through shitloads of orcs in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but the film isn't framed in such a way to show them as monstrous sociopaths so we just kind of accept it. I'm not really sure what it is about superhero media that makes this relatively common thing seem so egregious to people. I don't think the snarky action cliche is egregious by itself so much as the idea in superhero fandom that it's the default way to do superhero movies and a movie that eschews it is a grimdark failure. It feels like part of a larger trend of modern American pop culture where everything has to have layers of humor or irony to protect us from letting a piece of media invoke genuine emotion in its audience (this is also probably a major reason I loved the newest Godzilla so much, it did such a fantastic job of evoking awe and powerlessness)
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Mar 7, 2016 07:11
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CelticPredator posted:It did, but it's not a completely joyless experience. While most of the film is fairly dark and forbidding, they still managed to have a super fun, crowed pleasing monster rumble that completely makes the experience worth it. MoS did this too, the monsters just weren't as big
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Mar 7, 2016 07:23
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CelticPredator posted:If that was a fun fight to you, then more power to ya. It was just way to stressful for me. It also gave me a headache. I wanted to leave. Yeah, that's fair. From my point of view it's kinda tough to see one of those fights as much more 'fun' or 'stressful' than the other but it's not really likely that I could logically argue you out of a personal reaction like 'it gave me a headache' cause that'd put anyone off of a big loud movie scene
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Mar 7, 2016 07:33
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Boob Marley posted:DC made the three best drat comic movies of all time. Then they made Man of Steel. They had the opportunity to scrap their official cinematic universe right then and there, but they didn't! They have moronically stuck with it, even though they know they can do better! what's moronic about basing their cinematic universe off of a movie that was a financial success?
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Mar 11, 2016 16:00
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Boob Marley posted:It's moronic because time will make fools of the DC Cinematic Universe, not unlike Michael Bay's TMNT. micheal bay is actually a pretty great example of what i'm getting at; internet nerds and critics keep talking about how poo poo his transformers movies are and yet they keep getting made because movie studios aren't gonna care about that unless it starts affecting their earnings MoS was a success in their eyes so there's no reason for them not to use it as a starting point for their movie line
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Mar 11, 2016 16:23
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Luminous Obscurity posted:really? I thought one of the reasons people were mad because clark was too girly and his fathers weren't wise and all-knowing enough yeah, if anything mcu's never-failing ability to distance itself from pathos with jokes on jokes on jokes comes off as way more masculine than what we've seen from dc so far
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Mar 11, 2016 16:53
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this seems like a weird pair of tweets to make before bvs is even out and we haven't yet seen where bats and supes relation to each other are at by the end of the film
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Mar 11, 2016 17:45
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Boob Marley posted:At least the MCU incorporates women and minorities as main characters. boy i have some good news for you; they're filming a wonder woman movie right now and it's gonna come out before marvel releases a woman-led film despite having like, 6 years of a head start
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Mar 11, 2016 17:47
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Literally The Worst posted:the attitude is not contained to just the comics hth oh word, you've already seen bvs and know how much of a role wonder woman plays?
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Mar 11, 2016 19:03
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Literally The Worst posted:no it wasn't, it was drawing on golden/silver age stuff super heavily and transplanting them into a modern/realistic setting uhhhhh drawing on old comic stuff and transplanting them to a modern setting sounds exactly like being a direct response to modern comics
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Mar 11, 2016 19:06
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Boob Marley posted:I'm back. Did the collective DC Cinematic Universe become better than Iron Man 2 since I was gone? man of steel is a better movie than the movie so mediocre even marvel fans won't defend it, yes
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Mar 11, 2016 20:51
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glad to know age of ultron is objectively just as good as ant-man and batman '89
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Mar 11, 2016 21:13
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Literally The Worst posted:They come closer to embracing the sense of fun than anything DC has ever made hth brave and the bold motherfucker
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Mar 12, 2016 00:19
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Literally The Worst posted:Fine tag that isn't explicitly targeted at children onto the end of that there's no such thing as a silver age comic that wasn't explicitly marketed towards children
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Mar 12, 2016 00:22
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Literally The Worst posted:Go gently caress your self, you know exactly what I meant no i don't, you said the mcu has been the closest thing to silver age fun and once i pointed out a counter example you suddenly added 'that's not for kids' which is absurd because fun and light-hearted is basically synonymous with kid-friendly
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Mar 12, 2016 00:38
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Literally The Worst posted:Then might I encourage you to learn English and then read literally anything about the business strategy of DC since the mid 80s what do the mid 80s have to do with the brave and the bold, a very silver age and fun thing that DC did?
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Mar 12, 2016 00:42
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JediTalentAgent posted:I sort of figure give her and them a year or two and have someone try to pitch a Mystique solo film to her. It would maybe make sense from the Fox side of things to try it. WB will have Wonder Woman, Marvel will be probably close to getting Capt. Marvel going. With the exception of Elektra, Fox wouldn't have a solo female-lead superhero flick despite having the rights to probably most number of the popular Marvel female characters. Mystique is maybe their most popular character who seems to have an arc and a gimmick that could lend itself to a few solo stories pretty easily that they could keep as close or as far from their main X-Men franchise as they wanted. my one hope for the last wolverine movie is that it sets up or introduces x-23, it's a really obvious direction to go once jackman leaves
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Mar 17, 2016 22:27
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HorseRenoir posted:making an entire movie about Lego Batman seems like the definition of in what way?
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Mar 22, 2016 03:41
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counterfeitsaint posted:The whole lego thing has created several movies and like a billion games out of a dumb gimmick that was kind of amusing maybe one time. yeah but what in particular makes lego batman a bridge too far? they're both hella popular media franchises who constantly churn out stuff to make money, there ain't nothing new or noteworthy here to get incensed over it
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Mar 22, 2016 04:15
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the ending of civil war was 'a cop and a fireman hold captain america back mid-brawl and it makes him realize fighting for what he believes in is bad', not much punch to rob there
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Mar 22, 2016 07:07
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in what ways did the film make you guys feel awful? it hit alot of emotions in me but 'awful' definitely wasn't on that list
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Mar 28, 2016 06:40
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CelticPredator posted:It made me feel hopeless. Hopeless about the world. Hopeless about my life (although, that's personal). Hopeless about heroes. I felt drained and just beaten after it. I know it boils down to Superman. I felt this exact same way coming out of Man of Steel. This Superman is just so off putting to me it bothers me. that's interesting, i didn't find this superman all that less hope-inspiring than the average take on the character, especially with how blatant the jesus metaphors were
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Mar 28, 2016 06:53
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Boob Marley posted:Money doesn't matter. i'm so glad you and your crusade have returned
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Mar 28, 2016 16:37
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Vintersorg posted:I love watching mental breakdowns. "If there's even a 1% chance that BvS is capable of reviewing badly on RottenTomatoes we must treat it as an absolute certainty." - Boob Marley, probably
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Mar 28, 2016 16:58
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the netflix series being good so far is a point in favor of keeping them isolated from all the greater universe nonsense imo, i don't really want cool street-level heroics diluted by having them fight thanos' putty patrol
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Jul 29, 2016 18:34
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i'd be amazed if over 40% of the people who watched age of ultron or civil war even knew what agents of shield was edit: and that's just thinking about americans, lord only knows how few people in china or japan would know what the gently caress a terrigen mist is if agents of shield didn't air in their country Brother Entropy fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Jul 29, 2016 19:25
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mongol is just thanos who is just darkseid i might be missing a character in that equation somewhere
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Aug 9, 2016 01:42
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:This is true in the same sense that Deadpool is just Deathstroke in the sense of being flippant for comedic purposes by pretending characters are just their inspiration? yes, i agree
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Aug 9, 2016 01:49
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i still really don't understand 'batman shouldn't kill' as a criticism of bvs because between alfred trying to tell bruce he's going too far, the martha moment and bruce's conclusion at the end of the film bvs doesn't necessarily disagree with you
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Aug 17, 2016 18:50
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ultimate spider-man was the one book in that universe that never became a dumpster fire while i was still reading comics, they should use it as a source all they want imo
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Aug 19, 2016 05:31
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Brother Entropy posted:ultimate spider-man was the one book in that universe that never became a dumpster fire while i was still reading comics, they should use it as a source all they want imo addendum: they probably shouldn't crib from those issues where full adult wolverine and teenage peter parker switch bodies and wolverine has sex with teenage mary jane while pretending to be peter parker
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Aug 19, 2016 05:33
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Sir Kodiak posted:Wasn't that character advancement, not the correction of a writing mistake? He murdered because that's how he was taught on ninja island, then learned better while working with people in not-Gotham. yeah all of season 2 is basically about how this one time ollie decided killing a former ally and further feeding into the animosity between the two of them was better than saving him and how that comes back to bite him in the rear end 5 years later it ruled and cw superhero shows have been downhill ever since
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Aug 19, 2016 23:15
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those weren't 'writer corrections', it was really obvious from the beginning that they were playing a long-form thing where ollie starts as some rando vigilante who can't be trusted but eventually becomes more important to the city and trusted as time goes on a green arrow 'origin story', if you will
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Aug 20, 2016 01:26
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and i think you're giving them not enough! what i'm positing isn't that outlandish or ambitious for a superhero tv show's script, it's pretty stock and in-theme with the show being about ollie trying to find a balance between danger island survival mode and doing what's good for the city he cares about (whether they kept being successful at working those themes during later seasons is a whole other conversation though)
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Aug 20, 2016 01:49
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also; the thing about 'writers corrections' being the impetuous force behind those changes in ollie's character leaves the implication of a world where there were actually a noticable amount of people going 'not MY green arrow' over ollie killing people in season 1
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Aug 20, 2016 01:52
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I don't understand why so many people here condone murder. And that I'm considered the crazy one for not condoning murder. Murder is wrong. Giving Batman/Superman/Green Arrow a free pass to kill whoever they want is lunacy. What happens when they kill someone not-so-bad? Imagine the news headline tomorrow: MASKED VIGILANTE KILLS GANG OF SIX. You're totally cool with that? [puts hand on your shoulder solemnly] batman isn't a real person son
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Aug 20, 2016 14:28
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Considering how effective drone strikes are, why not just make some bat drones and unleash them throughout the city to take out gang members with a gatling gun? Rubber bullets optional of course. same reason he wouldn't be satisfied with just donating to anti-crime organizations or getting into politics to curb corruption ; bruce wayne loves to beat the poo poo out of criminals with his bare hands
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Aug 21, 2016 00:24
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i have no problem with a no kill rule either set by bats himself or the real human beings actually writing the story(let me tell you about my favorite batman property, the brave and the bold) but i do have a problem with people who insist it's a necessary component for telling a worthwhile batman story
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Aug 22, 2016 21:36
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