EU Politics: I miss Renaults(don't make fun of me)

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Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

GaussianCopula posted:

I really love the implications of the Syrian resettlement deal though. For every Syrian, who risked his life for nothing and who gets send back to Turkey, the EU will accept a hand picked Syrian to get a EU ticket, of which around 30% will be golden Germany tickets. Imagine you get selected for relocation and than get told "congratz, you get to live in Greece"

That sounds like a very lovely system, and it brings back up the topic that a lot of EU states don't want refugees (and refugees, in turn, don't want to end up there). It's a mess.

# ¿ Mar 7, 2016 18:40

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 00:31

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Thanks for the article. It seems they're indeed pushing through a quota system, and that's nigh impossible to be accepted by everyone (hell, maybe you can't even get a majority of Eu 28 onboard).

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 02:20

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

The way I see this plan, the money and the visa waivers aren't that much of an issue for now, and a relatively reasonable concession IF they stopped refugee flow completely.

The big sticking points in my opinion:

A) It creates a perverse incentive on Turkey's side to contibue allowing as many Syrians to be shipped to Greece as possible, as even if they're returned that would mean a net export of Syrian refugees to Europe.

B) Who gets to take on the refugees received on the one-for-one system? Are they trying the quotas again? Everyone gets to go to Germany?

C) This could of course backfire horribly, say under a scenario where Turkey starts a proper war in the south vs Assad/Kurds and then we see a bunch of refugees with Turkish passports making their way to Europe. Can Kurds in southern Turkey apply for asylum?

The more I think about it, the messier it seems. Hell, I think GC's evil plan of sinking the loving boats as deterrance has a better chance to succeed than this.

Freezer fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Mar 8, 2016

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:11

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

LemonDrizzle posted:

So apparently the impetus for the new Turkish deal with resettlement and visa-free Schengen access for Turkish citizens didn't come from the Turks at all - it was pushed by Merkel, behind everyone else's back: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f6c982ec-e54e-11e5-ac45-5c039e797d1c.html#axzz42OW2bIUR

Haha, Merkel is truly the Frank Underwood of European politics. It would be hilarious if she knew that deal was never gonna be agreed to, but alienated everyone by pushing for it just to get an election boost.

Freezer fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Mar 9, 2016

# ¿ Mar 9, 2016 14:11

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

LGD posted:

To be honest that seems like pretty poor wording at the end there. I hope.

Heh, drat you for making me laugh at this.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2016 19:47

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Xoidanor posted:

I think it's mostly a divide between if you consider the EU collapsing on itself like a house of cards a good or a bad thing.

Do you mean that UK staying in will trigger the collapse? Or that it leaving would trigger the collapse? Because a compelling argument can be made for both scenarios...

# ¿ Mar 12, 2016 23:37

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

GaussianCopula posted:

PSA: The polls for Germany's Super Sunday election will close in 10min. Please discuss the results in the Germany thread, to keep it in one place http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3439500&pagenumber=183#lastpost

Look at the Germans trying to dictate norms and rules to the rest of Europe again. We'll discuss it wherever we drat well please.

Ps. I'm kidding, mostly.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2016 18:26

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

No one is advicating genocide, just deep structural reforms. 300m deep, to be accurate.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2016 16:21

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

If you make the boat ride and are returned to Turkey, does it kill your chances of being selected for asylum in the future?

# ¿ Mar 18, 2016 16:32

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

CrazyLoon posted:

At least there's that...still, the most desperate ones in need of asylum will get hosed it seems.

Yes, but they will no longer be Europe's problem, so MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

# ¿ Mar 18, 2016 17:02

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

I think the dishonesty is fading. The current plan of "meh, gently caress 'em" seems to have wide acceptance.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2016 02:05

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Isn't the Finnish containment zone thread pretty much meant for this? Take your awful poo poo there.

I mean Jesus loving Christ dude, how you manage to take a terrorist attack in Belguim and make it about militias in Finland is beyond me. I'm happy Finland doesn't have a latent terror problem, but it sure as gently caress isn't because the islamists are afraid of a bunch of hillbillies with AKs.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2016 14:43

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Wait, 140 years?! That's fricking insane. Does that mean that you pay almost nothing to equity and payments are mostly interest (which you can deduce from your taxes)?

Does this mean the government is defacto subsidizing home buyers to a high degree?

# ¿ Mar 25, 2016 17:09

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

CommieGIR posted:

"Welp, guess we have to send them back to a despotic dictator. Sorry guys"

Do you have any clue how hosed up you sound?

You're talking to the dude that unironically supported sinking the boats before. Guess despotic dictator beats undersea grave.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2016 16:41

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Mr.48 posted:

Being able to treat foreign workers worse than domestic workers is just about the only incentive there is for hiring foreigners.

Not really. Maybe for low-skill positions, but local availability of an educated and specialized workforce (or lack thereof) is also a driving factor.

# ¿ May 17, 2016 16:28

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

All of you debating the democratic merits of this vote are bypassing (heh) the even bigger issue of a party enacting laws that are dramatically opposed to the platform they were elected on. Now that is the most undemocratic bit.

Now I love making fun of the French for their regular strikes as much as anyone, but this one is well deserved. If the Socialist loving party wins I would expect them to do socially and economically progressive poo poo, just as I would expect the FN to do all the fascist poo poo, because that's what the majority loving voted for.

# ¿ May 24, 2016 23:07

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

The guys that slit the priest's throat were registered IS radicals. If this kind of crap keeps happening, we'll get president Le Pen won't we? 2016 is looking like a lovely lovely year and we're not even halfway through.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2016 15:32

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

drilldo squirt posted:

It fun as an American to watch the pretense of an inclusive liberal Europe fall apart as soon as there was a chance of scary brown people showing up.

To be honest there's a fair bit of xenophobia in Western Europe against a Eastern Europe as well, so it's not just skin color. Reading some of the British press on Bulgarians and Romanians was an eye opening experience for me. Not that Eastern Europeans are any better.

Everyone everywhere is a tribalist oval office, pretty much.

# ¿ Aug 10, 2016 01:44

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

The Brexit drama is going to be brilliant.

# ¿ Oct 14, 2016 13:50

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Cat Mattress posted:

I hope it's Gaston.

The reality of energy in Germany is coal, lots and lots of coal. And landscapes that look like this:

Yes, and no. Coal is still a big part regrettably, but renewables are making a very noticeable dent. It would be awesome if you didn't have 17 GW of lignite as baseload tough...

I just stumbled into this pretty cool tool some days ago, it gives a good hourly breakdown of the German electric generation mix. Some days renewables make up for more than 50% of the power generated, while at others times it falls to 20ish%.

https://www.agora-energiewende.de/en/topics/-agothem-/Produkt/produkt/76/Agorameter/

# ¿ Oct 19, 2016 20:22

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Blut posted:

From a quick reading of the wiki on Le Pen it looks like she has some relatively leftish domestic positions - increased emphasis on corporate tax hitting big businesses, supporting civil servants etc. Whats her position on the working week hours?

Ignoring the foreign policy stuff - isolation-ism, immigration etc - it sounds like she wouldn't be half as neo-liberal as Fillon domestically at least. Is that an accurate assessment?

My God, how did it come to this? I'm not French, but after doing some quick research I think they would be better off with proto fascist Le Pen than Fillon (except minorities, I guess).

Someone really needs to go back in time and prevent Biff from stealing the almanac, because this timeline sucks balls.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2016 17:48

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

LemonDrizzle posted:

I jokingly wanted Sarko to win the Républicain primary so my vaguely lefty French friends would be forced to endure voting for him to keep the FN out, but having them forced to vote for an out-and-out Thatcherite is also good I guess.

This same logic of "surely you'll vote for my lovely candidate because the alternative is awful" was widely believed by the US Democratic Party. Turns out, many of those people just stayed home. Woops.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2016 18:05

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

jonnypeh posted:

Just take them back and keep the skilled ones.

Who will take them back? Turkey? Syria? Afganistan?

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 17:50

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

ECB Rejects Monte Paschi bid for more time on capital. State bailout expected to follow, with bail-in clases triggered.

So bondholders get a haircut (expect pensioners and savers to take it up the rear end), reckless bank gets to be propped up by the state (with the people in charge largely walking away unaffected) and the Italian goverment gets to add some billions to its debt counter. With more to follow down the line.

But sure lets talk about the ethnicity of the thugs, that's the big issue at hand here.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 17:18

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

Literally nothing. He works for Putin's Russia in a position of power. That's enough for me to gloat about his death.

The same logic that terrorists use when they blow up a western embassy or government target. Nice.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2016 21:17

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

You're one of these people that dismiss all violence because it's, well, violent and therefore bad. There are a lot of you.

No, you moron, I dismiss the act of celebrating a diplomat being shot. I'm sure some people celebrated after Benghazi, and I would call them morons as well.

Nothing good will come out of this, and the people most likely to suffer are civilians trapped in Syria. Putin just got an excuse to ramp up involvement and Erdogan will have to quietly watch from a corner with his thumbs up his rear end.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2016 22:27

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Flowers For Algeria posted:

The fact that not a single poster wished a merry Christmas to the others in this thread is ample proof (if any more proof was needed) of the Islamization of Europe and of the Great Replacement and Eurabia.

Smh

Why would anyone wish Merry Christmas to other people in this thread when we mostly hate each other?

# ¿ Dec 25, 2016 17:11

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Squalid posted:

In America we just dump asylum seekers in Mexico regardless of the nation of origin if they have no papers.

Then they promply cross the boder again. They didn't cross half a continent to emigrate to Mexico.

# ¿ Dec 25, 2016 20:32

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

MiddleOne posted:

No earlier than 2019, probably later due to Therese May being such a terrible leader.

If there's anything left to leave by 2019, that is...

# ¿ Jan 2, 2017 14:41

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

KaptainKrunk posted:

Trump, broken clock and all, is actually right about the EU being a vehicle for German domination.

I doubt it, because the Germans design good vehicles and the EU is terribly designed. If anything, I'd blame the french.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2017 06:45

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

You joke, but I know a few French people who would gladly rebuke fascism just to avoid being identified in the Brit/US team.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 17:21

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

orange sky posted:

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/868854385786355712

LOLing at the fact that some angry voters in Wisconsin and Pensilvania could bring about the final nail in the coffin for the Holocene. We are a weird species.

# ¿ May 28, 2017 16:48

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

GaussianCopula posted:

The earliest the US withdrawing from the Paris treaty will go into effect is 1 day before the next presidential election in the US.

Yeah but they're already scrapping all the policies that would have allowed them to meet the target, and they've reneged on green fund payments. The damage is already underway, even if they're nominally still *in* the treaty.

If it were some leasser power (ie India or Brasil) you could probably sanction then into compliance, but with the US it would prove difficult. Maybe a consumer boycott could gain some traction tough?

# ¿ Jun 3, 2017 00:31

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

hahahahahahaha holy poo poo

I'll just let that post fester in its own putrid waste, but the broader point here is that Spain is obviously under no obligation to treat the referendum as anything but illegal, unbinding, and irrelevant, but there's no justification for sending in the cops to brain citizens with clubs if they try to vote on it. And by sending in the cops to brain citizens who are trying to vote on it the government has completely invalidated their position as the Good Guys Just Trying To Do It All Right By The Book, and they've made people worldwide sympathetic to Catalan independence regardless of the merits.

This is my take on it as well. Let them hold the symbolic vote under everyone's knowledge of its illegality. Let it fester in courts for years. If any hostile actions do come out of it, THEN send out the cops to bash skulls.

This looks like a pretty classic case of overplaying one's hand.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2017 17:57

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

lollontee posted:

I thought it meant GaussianCupola. Their opinions match.

I don't think the Spanish goverment has expressed their desire to murder refugees...yet.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2017 16:47

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 00:31

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

hump day bitches! posted:

I don't get the end plan at all.
Seems like thet organised all this to then suspend a non proclaimed independence to have a higher ground while you negotiate ( negotiate what?) an independence.

Is it a deliberate attempt to get the EU to declare them independent , to shame the Spanish into submission?

Some people are reading a master stroke into this

I'm not sure what the plan was, but this outcome was obviously not it. That's the thing about brinkmanship, once in a while the other party will call your bluff and you'll look like an idiot.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2017 05:33

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