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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Happy April, we're all fools.

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Apr 5, 2009

Oh the Fabian Society has remembered it's meant to give a poo poo about the poor. Guess they're having a collective stroke.

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Apr 5, 2009

Igiari posted:

Tin Tower, stop trying to make the Liberal Democrats happen. It's not going to happen.

They already happened and now they're loving dead lol.

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Apr 5, 2009

big scary monsters posted:

All apparently remaining Lib Dems are nothing more than spooky ghosts haunting the grim edifice of British politics.

Nah it's like how when a human being dies their muscles relax and so their bowels empty poo poo all over the floor.

The remaining Lib Dem MPs are basically the political party version of that.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

The Lib Dems having parliamentary importance was Charles Kennedy's last horcrux

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Apr 5, 2009

TACD posted:

'Best course of action' is relative and assumes an interest in governance. The Tories are just interested in raking in short-term profits (or a guarantee of future profits), don't start thinking they actually give a poo poo about what happens to the country.

In other news:
Jeremy Corbyn mobbed by supporters during Bristol walkabout
Corbyn still hasn't learned that a 'serious' leader should be listening to the concerns of the media and ignoring the people, not the other way round. This is bad for Corbyn.

This whole thing is lovely, especially him switching to speak Spanish to a shop worker. It reminds me of when ol' Wislon got on a soap box and even yelled back at the crowd when someone asked what he'd do about the bloody immigrants - something along the lines of "You want me to send them away? Then who will deliver your baby?"

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Apr 5, 2009

Yesterday at the pub some old dude had passed out, at which point his friend just got up and left, and started drooling all over himself so me and the bar staff had to call up a chain of people (starting with the man's son who the barman knew) to eventually find someone to come tell us how to get him home, as it turned out his wife is suffering from severe MS... the only person nearby who was physically able to come was a woman with a broken arm and back problems so I carried him to the taxi and rode with them to his house, where I find he sleeps in room covered in hundreds of copies of the Telegraph and an issue of the Spectator perched beside his bed.

In the taxi back to the pub via the broken-armed woman's house she reveals he's a far-right 'kill the n*****s'-racist and virulent misogynist (which as it turns out, is why he only responded to the male bar staff and ignored the woman even though he clearly heard what she was saying) and that he'd already had one liver transplant due to drinking himself to near-death on the first one. Oh, and that it was his wife's birthday the day before but he'd just gone and done the same drat thing the day before, bursting in on the celebration and ruining it. The lady said she was going to do everything she could from today onwards to stage an intervention, for the wife's sake as much as anything as he's a 'women belong in the kitchen' type who doesn't feel like taking care of her as her condition degenerates.

It was a fascinating insight into the lives of people that just made me really sad when I got back to the pub and took a moment to let it sink in. And even if he is basically a Nazi I'd still drag his dumb arse home for his poor wife's sake, she was lovely.

The bar staff gave me a free pint for the trouble, so that helped drown the sorrow a little bit I guess.

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Apr 5, 2009

Current Tory policy: Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable!!! *shitts into hands, rubs it all over the country*

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Apr 5, 2009

Kaislioc posted:

I feel like I'm a bit late to the party in noticing that the best thing they could come up with as a symbol for their vote leave campaign is a ballot box. They must have been up all night thinking of that one.

oh, I've genuinely been seeing it as one of the autosave icons from Assassin's Creed.

Brexit(tm) by Abstergo

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Apr 5, 2009

Prince John posted:

Wow, I had no idea things like this happened. I guess it's inadvertent and just based off predominant searches in your area or something, but still really, really creepy.

Nah, it's just analysis of search history vs. click-through. It's meant to try and tailor results for things like technical experts vs. luddities or history experts vs. people just wanting to find if Hitler had one ball.

It makes sense in that regard, just led to political bubbles.

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Apr 5, 2009

StoneOfShame posted:

The reason there is no political will ti make it officially fully legal is simple. At the moment if you want an abortion you can get one, its grand, making it fully legal would actually have no practical change. However if they decided to do that you cab imagine all the crazies would come out of the wood work and start raising absolute hell because it was in the public consciousness again.

Especially now our media is worse than Fox News (by Obama's campaign manager's own description) so we'd deal with a really shitted up debate.

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Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

If it really was that important I'm not sure they'd leave it up to a public referendum fed by a media circus rather than appoint a proper review. Who knows though, they've done more illogical things. It seems more a bone throwing exercise than addressing structural issues that are the real causes for people's dissatisfaction.

It's more that Cameron has always relied on the press to carry him through. Heck, if the press hadn't been so rabidly pro-Tory he probably would have done even worse in 2010 than just 'no outright majority' - hence why he rewarded said press by not clamping down on media misbehaviour after the phone-hacking scandal. He's assumed the press will always back him because, like many Tories, he has no idea how the world really works.

That and he needs to placate his dipshit back-benchers lest they defect to UKIP or the like.

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Apr 5, 2009

Also here is a Very Serious Person worrying that the pro-Remain side may suffer from the same problem the GE had with Miliband being close in the polls - that younger voters say they're definitely going to vote but then end up doing whatever it is yoofs these days do, smoking weed or buttchugging vodka or something, instead of voting.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/03/younger-voters-eu-referendum-turnout-poll-brexit

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Apr 5, 2009

Fans posted:

Not really? Expecting "Out" to win would be naively optimistic as it has seemingly everything going against it. No major party supports it, it has trouble breaking past "Stay" even in the more favorable Online polls and the betting sites have lousy odds on it.

It's not a close race, despite the press wanting to pretend it is.

I'm pretty certain he's referring to the fallout from the media and tory backbenchers over Baconmate campaigning to stay in.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

It's amazing that freemen on the land / sovereign citizens are universally so obnoxious that I end up rooting for the copper giving them a taste of the volts. ACAB with schadenfreude characteristics.

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Apr 5, 2009

Zephro posted:

It's a reasonable fear. The young don't vote in anything like the numbers of the old so if you're relying on them in an election you need to discount appropriately

Oh definitely, but the guy who wrote the article is one of the CORBYN UNELECTABLE WE NEED BLAIR BACK types. He occasionally writes sensible articles like this one, but by and large I find him a bit of a knob.

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Apr 5, 2009

Regarde Aduck posted:

I notice the BBC omitting anything about Cameron's dad in their Panama papers story. LOOK! Iceland guy! And Putin! WOW! How about the father of the current Prime minister? I think that counts as news.

Only the mass-unread Independent is leading on it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-father-and-senior-tory-figures-named-in-panama-papers-leak-a6967116.html

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Apr 5, 2009

kapparomeo posted:

The documents were first leaked to the press more than a year ago and have already been examined and analysed before publication. If the Guardian can't report on Cameron's perfidy, why haven't any of the other journalists in 80-plus other countries that have obtained the documents mentioned it?

a) The FIRST of the documents were provided to SDZ one year ago. They continued to compile documents prior to announcing the leak so as to not scare the company into tightening security. This is not the same as having all the documents in a readable format for a whole year. All of what I just said is in that link you provided. It also points out the time-consuming period of OCR-ing the whole lot.

b) Like with the Snowden leaks, the Graun may well be spacing the stories out so that important stories aren't lost in the cascade.

c)


Front page.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

*opens wallet and sadly watches the moths fly into the sunset*

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Apr 5, 2009

This page reminds me why British comedy is #1 :britain:

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Apr 5, 2009

Update:

This page has reminded me why anti-choice is loving terrifying. :gonk:

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Apr 5, 2009

What was Sinn Fein's position?

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Apr 5, 2009

kustomkarkommando posted:

Pro babby death

Sinn Fein supporting the murder of children, colour me surprised.

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Apr 5, 2009

kustomkarkommando posted:

SF only adopted a position backing legalisation of abortion in cases of fatal foetal abnormalities last year and it was very reactive after it became a big issue down south, SF are still officially an anti abortion party and oppose extending the abortion act to NI - people like Martin McGuinness are very much in the pro-life camp

That's more like what I'd expect of a tacitly-Catholic sect.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Corbyn to Cameron: "quit pussyfooting" over tax dodging

Not quite this thread's desired "get in the bin fuckboi" but close enough.

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Apr 5, 2009

I'm going campaign for my local election to leave the EU.

You heard me.

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Apr 5, 2009

Being fair I went to the website of the two to try and glance at the figures but their piece of poo poo site is slow and broken, so it's hard to prove. Also calm down pissflaps.

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Apr 5, 2009

I like how as if to really show how hosed we are in the UK two separate left-wing groups founded 'unity' groups - LU and the TUSC. And both groups claim to work together but routinely put out poo poo disparaging the other.

Left-wing politics is dead in the United Kingdom because the egos of these loving shits are untameable.

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Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

tbf right wing fringe politics is worse. At least the left groups aren't routinely beating the poo poo out of each other at rallies. lol.
Except when anarchists steal the SWP's banners. also Iol.

What this overall leads to is unpleasant liberal truth-is-in-the-middle politics though.

No, it leads to something worse - right-wing hegemony. The far-right "KILL THE DARKIES" lot are not serious political considerations. The right-wing, while thankfully tearing itself apart at the moment are doing it because Cameron is acting too left-wing for a real Tory to stomach. Cameron is more classic liberal and a metropolitan character. The Tories see him from the right with the same disdain we look at Nick Clegg with from the left. They want a proper right-winger in charge, especially if Hammypants is going to bend over for Brussels.

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Apr 5, 2009

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Yes this is definitely not a foolish thing to do

I'm going to campaign for my local election to take place in Osaka.

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Apr 5, 2009

See, the sentence reads like I'm going to locally campaign on a 'Leave the EU' platform, but I was actually implying I wanted my local elections in a non-EU country.

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Apr 5, 2009

feedmegin posted:

That's not really unique to the here and now, though, leftwingers have always been like this. I mean, look at the reason the Bolsheviks were called the Bolsheviks.

Yeah, and that was the start. It was bad enough when it was just the Bolshies and the Menshies, heck it was bad enough when Marx was such an rear end in a top hat he split the First International, but even back then it was two groups who could work together until they got into power. Now a splinter group pops up every time a member sneezes, and they all refuse to work with each other so it's just a bucket full of tiny, stupid crabs.

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Apr 5, 2009

kustomkarkommando posted:

I will be campaigning to remain in the EU

let's fight

drat it I already explained this joke.

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Apr 5, 2009

Oh dear me posted:

A possibly comforting thought is that splitting can be a sign of vibrant interest, a sign of lots of people actually caring about something.

The problem is they care about being the next big figure of history who led the Great Socialist Enlightenment, and if they can't be in the inner circle then by golly are they making their own new party with a new inner circle that they get to choose this time.

People are so desperate to be Lenin they end up being Trotsky.

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Apr 5, 2009

JFairfax posted:

More like Vivian

..who? Please tell me we aren't going to get a speech on ethics...

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Apr 5, 2009

Oh thank goodness. Yeah pretty much Viv. I'm more of a Neil personally.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

That story will never not be beautiful. I don't care if it's fake it's perfect.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

I can't remember who it was, maybe Krugman, but they pointed out that middle-management was invented to manage the fact that trampling workers' rights leads to high-employee turnover (to keep them precariously employed), and so therefore middle-managers were needed to get the newbies in line to keep the wheels greased.

Effectively, middle management is a tumour of capitalism.

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Apr 5, 2009

MrL_JaKiri posted:

There are groups that don't do that, you just don't hear about them because they don't self publicise quite so much.

I found a man who locked himself in a box who happens to be a perfect leader for the entire world. Unfortunately he refuses to leave his box even if he'll happily provide policy and leadership. I'm sure he'll become leader someday once we find his box and agree to listen to the box.

Cabinet posted:

You know when you all joke about "this is bad for Corbyn because..."

Well

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/717460847585574913

Oh good I live in The Thick of It. gently caress.

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Apr 5, 2009

Fans posted:

The whole point of Superdelegates is to block candidates they don't want. They don't want Bernie. He isn't going to win.

Which may well be true, but the Democratic Party are not as blind to the optics of this kind of poo poo as the GOP.

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