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mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Powered Descent posted:

I'd smoke with Barclay just to see if it loosens him up at all or if he just freaks out.

You know he's just gonna freak out and, this being Star Trek, events will transpire in such a fashion that you go to sleep and wake up on a heavily modified time traveling Runabout piloted by a blazed and deranged Barclay who is going back in time in order to create the Borg so that sentient life can be saved from the curse of being alone with its own thoughts.

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mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Big Mac posted:

Barclay takes one drag and from then on says "Computer end program" constantly until the episode ends

lol

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Jan 11, 2009

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DrSunshine posted:

I had to look this up because I haven't watched Discovery. Been laughing for a solid minute or so!

:nws:


My brain translated this into one of those “the virgin and the Chad” memes and it won’t untranslate it no matter how much I beg.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Hollismason posted:

Riker is shown to be interested in cooking and so is Sisko , but the majority of humans like 99% are used to replicators and have grown up without cooking.

Although that doesn't really make sense because replicators only existed after the TOS so like at most 100 years.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

This has me thinking, what if Joseph Sisko's food is super dogshit and no one knows because people don't normally eat non-replicated meals. He could be like "We make our Jambalaya the traditional way, with fresh yuzu and Hunt's ketchup!" and people would like "drat, what a flavorful sensation! I feel like I'm tasting history right now!" because they don't know what's up.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Soul Dentist posted:

I think it's more the equivalent of how we view frontier/colonial food. Everybody tries to capture the rustic nature of subsistence cuisine but forgets that spoilage and complete lack of spices made it loving garbage compared to what we have access to now

Wasn’t stuff like mace or cloves or something like that so prevalent in ye olden European recipes mainly because it covered up spoilage well?

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Mega Comrade posted:

Very dumb nerdy question but I'm sure someone's thought of it.

Is it ever established how the universal interpreter can know when Klingons want to use English and when they want you to hear the original Klingon.
Or does it just not translate swear words which seem to be 90% of the use cases.

I wonder if cultures can petition to have certain words in their languages go untranslated because they consider the word sacred, or they believe the meaning can only be contained in the native tongue, etc.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Also, as an English speaker, I’d prefer certain words to not be translated simply to save face. Not the best or most egregious example, but fireman jumps to mind. When I don’t think about the word, a fireman represents a skilled professional who helps keep the community safe. When I think about the word, it’s fire and man squashed together, like Trog of The Cave People was asked to come up with it while he was having an off day.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Fireman/garbage man/lawman/scatman makes me think they’re at least partially made of that thing, and they negotiate agreeable terms on our behalf with their respective domain.

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Jan 11, 2009

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redshirt posted:

I, conversely, for some reason love the idea of whole sections of the Enterprise empty, like an empty office building or lab space, waiting for use.

Wonder if there's like a version of a Federation real estate agent, pitching spots on Deck 32 for your new start up idea.

I like the idea of Star Trek liminal spaces. People writing creepypasta about getting lost in the Invincible Class back rooms. Like, imagine you’re a lowly engineer sent up to an empty section of the Enterprise to check on some unusual readings and you run into Data, standing in the middle of a large, empty, diffusely lit room, playing strange clusters of notes with no apparent rhythm on a saxophone. He greets you and explains that Riker was explaining the concept of jazz to him, that it’s about the notes you don’t play and the space between the notes, and so he is attempting to explore this concept away from the rest of the crew in a space with good acoustics. You don’t know him personally- you only know of him- and everything about him in this situation is highly off putting. He allows you to take your leave and after bidding you farewell continues playing the saxophone, alone, nearly motionless, in the soft khaki colored light. You continue down the hallway into the darkness, find the access panel, perform diagnostics and make the needed repairs, then pause a moment, look back the way you came, and call to transporter room with your comm badge.

“Can you, uh, beam me back to engineering?”

“Why? Are you trapped? Are you injured?”

You hear a distant saxophonal BWEEP, followed by a long silence and a cluster of BWOP BWORP BRRRRRRRRs

“The trapped one. I’m trapped.”

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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John Wick of Dogs posted:

How confusing is it to the Ferengi that the federation's flagship is named after capitalism

Ferengi definitely think we’re galaxy class junkie dipshits that hosed up capitalism so bad we almost ended all life on our planet, and space socialism is like our AA that we won’t shut up about.

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Jan 11, 2009

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Admiralty Flag posted:

OK, this turn of phrase is too golden to let go by unnoticed.

"Step 1. We admitted we were powerless over capitalism -- our lives had become unmanageable."

The Vulcans are like our sponsor who gets it, even if they didn’t have exactly the same problems.

“For us it took a lot of meditation and cognitive behavioral therapy to get our own issues under control. For the humans… it’s having hobbies. A distressing number of hobbies, if we’re being honest. They call it ‘human betterment’ but it’s mostly hobbies. For every human scientist, explorer, or diplomat there are ten thousand proprietors of shops which make penny farthing bicycles by hand, or are running something called a “Burger King” for the purpose of historical preservation, or someone who is intensely obsessed with collecting and learning about bottle caps and chooses to go live on an uninhabited planet and build a bottle cap appreciation center, by hand, on it. And whenever one of them stops obsessing about their hobbies they become dangerously unstable. We figured out the reason why so many human Starfleet admirals went rogue was because we kept them too busy to pursue their hobbies; once workloads were lightened, acts of diabolical treachery immediately dropped to acceptable levels. Ultimately though, they are “fun guys” and it is very logical to have a certain percentage of “fun guys” around in order to maintain a convivial atmosphere.”

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Jan 11, 2009

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redshirt posted:

AKA they are very good at war and will serve very effectively as meat shields in our ongoing galactic domination....

*raises an eyebrow, then silently resumes work at terminal*

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Jan 11, 2009

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Facebook Aunt posted:

Voyager found a Q trapped in an asteroid by Q and popped him out. So apparently they can be trapped in technology comprehensible to humans.

Might have just been sleeping. Sometimes when I think about what I would do if I were immortal, it’s “fall asleep somewhere remote for several millennia, just because I can.”

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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I’m picturing one of those 80s movies where a nerdy girl comes out of her shell, and there’s always that scene where she emerges transformed while onlookers gawp, except it’s about a Vulcan encouraged by their human friends to loosen up, and their coming out scene has them stumble nude into view, cackling maniacally around mouthfuls of an entire blueberry pie they’re eating by hand, then have a brain aneurysm from feeling too much and die. The Psychedelic Furs is playing over this.

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mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Newest employee is a lovely Vulcan. I mean, lovely by Vulcan standards. Not particularly smart or driven, even physically weak; we arm wrestled at the office holiday party and he told me he let me win, but the guy was almost imperceptibly trembling and very perceptibly sweating the whole time. I thought having him show off that nutso Vulcan strength by beating the boss effortlessly would endear him to the other employees, but criminey, nope, that didn’t happen.

Doesn’t matter though. I just need the look. See, he’s cold vid calling, selling teleporter insurance from a script. He doesn’t need to know how a teleporter works, just how to read what I wrote for him to say while looking like a guy who knows how teleporters work. Guy is sort of a charisma vacuum and at first was having some issues selling, but I told him, I said “I know it’s not written on there, but end your spiel with ‘In this modern, teleporter reliant, galaxy it would be highly illogical to imperil the future of your children by not buying a plan from me today.’” and that does 90% of the work for him. They might get aggravated by Vulcan mien, but damned if people don’t take a Vulcan saying what is and isn’t logical seriously.

Even he takes it seriously. He asked for a performance based raise last week and when I told him it wasn’t logical he was just like “I understand” and left my office. I tell you, having a stupid Vulcan on my sales team is going to be my shortcut to owning my own moon before fifty.

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Jan 11, 2009

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counterfeitsaint posted:

All this talk about loving Klingon affection from early NuTrek reminded me of that episode of Picard with the cold open that starts with an extreme closeup of an eyeball, which is then slowly ripped out in graphic detail. Later we learn that was the borg kid Seven helped raise on Voyager. The procedure killed him. RIP

This is not an isolated incident. I went looking for a good youtube clip of the classic "YUM YUM" scene from STD. There's not a good one, but instead I found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0

Stating up top that I’ve never seen this short, or any new Trek, besides a couple episodes of Lower Decks. I’m yelling at a deliberately provocative YouTube video. Everything I hear about the new shows makes me ornery, and it’s one of the reasons why no one visits me at the old folks home. Ok.

TOO BE FAIR if you were trying to faithfully represent the human animal, people in the Star Trek universe, especially ones with the instinct and skill to accumulate power, are probably the same ol pricks we have today, and the big success of their culture is that it organized in a way that accounts and compensates for their presence so that you don’t get *waves hand around at the present* (I’m sure magic sci-fi post scarcity tech also helps keep the prickishness from getting too cataclysmic as well). I don’t honestly believe that there are essentially different human natures hiding under our bad cultural education; we’re aggressive, conflicted, apes with a spectrum of potential shittiness that varies between individuals, and no amount of societal improvements will take that away. Even with the compensatory elements of their culture, I am sure there are tons of posts in Starfleet run by toxic monsters who’re hell to work for, but people try to keep working for them because humans are irrational, and also it’s not a great career look to get bounced from position to position, so if you get stuck with a stinker try to hold out until you can gracefully move on.

Why would I want to watch Trek about that though? It’s John Lennon Beat His Wife-ing a fictional universe that was meant to portray an aspirational ideal. You have your not/less lovely captain encounter those bad actors and situations, then through the course of events show the negative outcomes and that there are better ways to organize. Just… every third show out there is about how much we suck; go write for one of those.

Then, uhhhhhhh, I would like a Frosty and a baked potato and, um, I’d like wait and buy Baconator futures at the dip if that’s cool?

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Jan 11, 2009

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thotsky posted:

The promise of TNG, and to a certain degree TOS, is that humanity has evolved. There's no accumulation of wealth, and while ambition is still a thing being preoccupied with power or authority is considered a pathology. It's not that society is built in a way that limits their impact; Star Trek is more optimistic than that.

DS9 and Voyager does explore what happens to humanity when the immediate support of their post-scarcity society is taken away, and personally I think those moments are kind of a refutation of the more revolutionary ideals of Star Trek, made by cowardly writers in a more insecure zeitgeist, but they don't unequivocally debunk Picards assertions about how far we have come either.

I like the Voyager episode about Barclay trying to eatablish communication with Voyager. He's pretty frustrated by his working environment, but his manager is basically supportive of his work and his personal life when they could have easily just made him an rear end in a top hat.

So I feel like it’s almost arguing semantics, but I’d say mankind did not evolve; they made better choices that, dovetailing with chance and scientific discoveries which dumped a lot of material resources in their lap, created a durable positive change to humanity’s overall quality of life. Saying the humans of Trek evolved makes it less applicable to our lives now because then it’s about a different species of mankind, instead of an inspiring lesson about what current mankind can do if it gets its act straight.

Then the Federation is full of really lovely beings who suck in a variety of ways, no matter how much it’s formally pathologised their behavior. It’s just, usually you encounter them over the shoulder of your protagonist who is attempting in their own way to live the values of the Federation, and the experience is an object lesson about how not to behave. The fact that Starfleet captains keep running into garbage people who are also in the Federation lends credence to my feeling that future people are still present people, albeit with a lot more support.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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naem posted:

it is almost as if, friendship is magic

Friendship is Logical

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Jan 11, 2009

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SonOfGhostDad posted:

There's carpet on the bridge, don't you tell me humanity has evolved

In the past, we used shaped pieces of a brittle solid we call “glass” for drinking vessels, decoration, table tops, windows, and so on. But we’ve moved past all that, having finally learned that, if a glass object shatters within five miles of a room traditionally carpeted in cheap berber- like, we’re talking the kind where if you look at it wrong you get a friction burn on your eyeball- that berber will contain sharp chunks of glass for years to come. An invisible danger just waiting to plunge into the delicate flesh of, say, an unsuspecting officer working night shift on the bridge with their shoes off.

Why… not get rid of the berber too? Carpeting was falling out of fashion in the 21st century; I have no clue why you brought it back.

*bemused* Being from the past, you wouldn’t understand. The future is so super badass that people naturally want to constantly be doing the rockstar slide for no reason. A third officer zooming along behind you on their knees, playing air guitar, tends to have a… chilling effect on diplomatic actions. Having the worst carpeting imaginable dissuades that.

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mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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The Federation has very strong trade relations with The Empire Carpet Empire.

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Jan 11, 2009

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Hollismason posted:

I bet you have to jail break or give really weird specific instructions to the replicator in order for it to produce drugs. I'm pretty sure all the teenagers know how to do this much to the chagrin of their parents.

It might be sort of easy, especially given the average level of education in the setting. You find a synthetic drug where the final step is something super simple like “Add x amount of y. Stir.” Then you have the computer replicate it at the second to last step. Replicate the ingredient needed for the last step separately. Add and stir on your own.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Futuristic version of totse teaching young people how to make drugs with the replicator.

“Computer, jenkem, hot.”

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Jan 11, 2009

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

there must be some unseen solution that makes o'brien able to function.

Complimentary traumas, present at the correct intensities, can form a functional and relatively stable psychic structure, like a lean-to of misery.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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First of May posted:

That mind prison tech could have amazing recreational uses. Live a year's worth of vacation every weekend, why not? Get a college education in an afternoon.

If I could share the hallucination with my wife and you put me in a year long vacation hallucination I definitely wouldn’t come out of it being like “Alright, let’s get back to work!” I’d be like “Put us back in! Put all of us in! This is the ultimate goal our species has unknowingly struggled for centuries to achieve! Invent robots to maintain the hallucination machine and put us all in!”

Then when you didn't, because it is a stupid and self destructive request after all, I’d probably start a militant cult focused around making the Federation do it.

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mysterious frankie posted:

If I could share the hallucination with my wife and you put me in a year long vacation hallucination I definitely wouldn’t come out of it being like “Alright, let’s get back to work!” I’d be like “Put us back in! Put all of us in! This is the ultimate goal our species has unknowingly struggled for centuries to achieve! Invent robots to maintain the hallucination machine and put us all in!”

Then when you didn't, because it is a stupid and self destructive request after all, I’d probably start a militant cult focused around making the Federation do it.

ALTHOUGH! An actual useful application of the technology, especially if you can share the experience with others, is tricky negotiations\diplomatic engagements. If a day lasts a year, then I think a second would net you something like 23 minutes to deliberate your next move? You and your whole team could drop in and back out again without anyone noticing.

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Jan 11, 2009

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MikeJF posted:

I doubt it actually runs 20 years of full-speed thoughts, it just interacts with you enough to roughly simulate how you'd react and dumps 20 years of memories and trauma into your head that're close enough for you to believe they're your own. So it's not gonna give you high-speed strategy thinking or stuff.

Dangit. This was going to be the foundation of a daydream about appearing more competent at work.

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Jan 11, 2009

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

(vague technobabble) is why transporters can't clone people. (slightly different vague technobabble) is why they can, sometimes.

The answer is time travel. There is so much time travel in Trek shows, which leads me to extrapolate accidental (and intentional) time travel in the Trek universe is relatively common among technologically advanced races. If we accept that every (or at least some) instance of time travel alters the Trek timeline, and not all changes are caught and remedied, then we know the timeline is constantly changing. Those changes make it plausible that the specifics of technology may be constantly varying. So in one episode transporters were designed in such a way where they can clone someone (or there was a person who discovered how it could be done and disseminated that information), then a time traveler butterfly effects that out of existence. Then a different time traveler butterfly effects it back into existence. Back in. Back out. Forever and ever.

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Brawnfire posted:

I'm looking forward to seeing the integral part Elon Musk plays in introducing mankind to the stars

Much in the way House of Gucci inspired me to leave the continent, Musk will say something so cringeworthy that all mankind will flee to the stars.

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Jan 11, 2009

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galagazombie posted:

How the hell did something this painfully unfunny get six seasons?

I watched a lot of this kind of crap as a little kid. If we assume I wasn’t such an odd child that my interests couldn’t represent a baseline (I know. We all know.), then extremely bad sitcoms might have been that decades beige equivalent of Skibidi Toilet.

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