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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum?
This poll is closed.
Remain - Keep Britane Strong! 328 15.40%
Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! 115 5.40%
Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy 506 23.76%
Leave - But only because the EU is terrible 157 7.37%
Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea 61 2.86%
I'm not going to vote 19 0.89%
I'm not allowed to vote 411 19.30%
Pissflaps 533 25.02%
Total: 2130 votes
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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Apparently someone is leaking Corbyn's PMQs to Cameron before he answers them. So Cameron's complete non-answers and unrelated personal attacks are with time to prepare for them.

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


I'm pretty sure the Labour right have just decided that if they don't get to run the Labour Party then no-one does, and they're just going to sabotage the party from here on out.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Like most Onion knockoffs, the Daily Mash is very hit and miss, but I liked this.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Remember Thatcher? She's back! In cloud form. And she's apparently here to warn us about the EU.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


I tried to see if Dan Hodges had anything to say about this, considering he's been beating both the 'IDS is a decent bloke' drum and the 'Trump should be banned from the UK' drum. He hasn't commented but I did find this gem.

quote:

Most significant was that we now know the identity of the next Republican nominee to be President of the United States. It will be Jeb Bush. It can only be Jeb Bush.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

I just got my ballot paper. Do you have to vote using black ink? I've only got green pens in the house and I don't want to go outside?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


The poll results are fantastic.

Pissflaps posted:

Is this a real post?

I've got purple pens as well and some crayons.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

Maybe the people voting on the internet poll are not acting entirely seriously.

That explains the 20%

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I'm intrigued, why do you think this is?

I'm assuming he meant the possibility of Scotland withdrawing from the UK in event of a leave vote.

Also it was black only and I was able to borrow a pen from my neighbour.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

El Scotch posted:

Can I still vote if I live overseas? :ohdear:

I already have.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


They missed the opportunity to reference El Gato and hence why this, like everything else wrong with this planet, is the fault of one Jeremy Corbyn, therefore I'm going to have to give this -1 Guardian.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Dennis Skinner is voting Leave

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Gort posted:

What the gently caress, why

quote:

He said: “My opposition from the very beginning has been on the lines that fighting capitalism state-by-state is hard enough. It’s even harder when you’re fighting it on the basis of eight states, 10 states and now 28.
“In the old days they could argue you might get a socialist government in Germany, but there’s not been one for donkeys’ years.
“At one time there was Italy, the Benelux countries, France and Germany, Portugal, Spain and us.
“Now there’s just one in France and it’s hanging on by the skin of its teeth.”
Mr Skinner said the prospect of the NHS being subject to the rules of the pro-privatisation TTIP trade deal between the EU and US was also a “significant” factor in his decision to vote Leave.
Labour warned this week that workers’ rights, such as four weeks paid holiday, maternity and paternity leave, equal pay and health and safety laws, could be at risk if Britain leaves the EU.
But Mr Skinner pointed out many of those rights are enshrined in British law and believes the Tories “couldn’t shift them.”
He said: “What [the EU] should be doing, if it wanted to convince people like me, is have a directive to get rid of zero-hours contracts across the whole of the EU. That’s what I’d be looking for.”
Mr Skinner insisted that his wish to leave the EU was not “based upon waving a flag or immigration.”
Instead, he said, the country needs to learn from the miners if it wants to achieve community cohesion.
“When I left school and went to work in the pits I was working with displaced persons from Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania and so on,” he told the Star.
“The reason why that didn’t create a great many problems for the miners was that we insisted that they could not undermine our wages, they would be paid the same as us whatever job they did.
“And what’s more they had to join the appropriate union. That’s why there was harmony in the pits and that’s what should happen today.”
Although Mr Skinner will be voting differently to Jeremy Corbyn, he backed the party leader’s refusal to share a platform with political opponents during the campaign.
“I won’t join these Tory and Ukip campaigns, I don’t believe in helping to bolster their prestige,” he said.
“I told Tony Benn when he was surrounded by Union Jacks in Trafalgar Square that he shouldn’t be on that bloody platform.
“So I don’t play any part with them.”

https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-e4af-Beast-of-Bolsover-Im-voting-out#.V1pq1rzh2rU

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Remain isn't the kind of thing that excites people into passionate outbursts like Leave does.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Coohoolin posted:

It was the old people that hosed us then and it'll be the old people that gently caress us this time.

The generational gap is quite infuriating. That a decision that will massively impact the future of young people in this country might go against them because Gladys and Wilfred saw a foreign on the bus and got perturbed. It's more infuriating that that's enough to get Gladys and Wilfred into the voting booth and not the people whose futures will be impacted. gently caress olds. gently caress kids. gently caress everyone.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


That's a very good sample size.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Yorkshire Tea posted:

But then what can you do? Every single fact indicates that immigration just doesn't affect wages and that jobs just don't get stolen, but there's this mad irrational perception that they do. The sad reality is if by some act of god you lose your job to a foreign worker that poo poo is your fault for being poo poo and not their fault for being here and not the government's fault for letting them in (I mean maybe it's the government's fault for being bad at education, but meh). But you can't persuade people that they're to blame for anything that's their own fault.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Backfire_effect

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


There's a reason they call him Zyklon Ben.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Joey Essex is on the Leave Boat.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

dispatch_async posted:

Note that Osborne is claiming that Labour would back his hyper-austerity Leave budget:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36534192

Corbyn told Cameron that they wouldn't at PMQs.

Of course that doesn't discount the possibility of the Labour Right making a Tough Decision™.

GEORGE W BUSHI fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Jun 15, 2016

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


If it's just Britain, Sweden and Denmark, the EU could potentially be strengthened by removing the big stumbling blocks to ever closer economic union.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Pesmerga posted:

Jeremy Clarkson just came out for remain. Cue :qq:ing from Brexiters who are now glad that his version of Top Gear was cancelled.

Clarkson literally wants a United States of Europe.

With regards to Gibraltar, would it be possible to work out a reverse Greenland deal where Gibraltar stays in the EU but we don't? Or would Spain be able to veto that. I know they kept threatening to make it difficult for an independent Scotland to join the EU because it was making them look bad for not giving their separatists a referendum but I don't know if that was hot air.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

The loving Yanks literally gloating over Jo Cox getting shot proving whatever asinine point their making in their stupid loving baby argument they're having over there is making me sick to my core right now. Like, our politics is embarrassing as gently caress, but it's rare to see even the likes of Farage's mob jumping all over something like this before the body is cold to make a stupid loving point. Cunts.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

LGD posted:

Not denying that, I'm just saying that extremely unsightly and unwarranted gloating and smugness on this issue is pretty par for the course.

There's a pretty big difference between idiots flooding idiot discussions about horrific events caused by idiot laws in an idiot country and idiots flooding normal people discussions about horrific events that have nothing do with the normal people laws in an idiot country.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Tesseraction posted:

Being fair, considering America has seen 133 mass shootings this year alone, perhaps our single shooting with an improvised weapon isn't exactly a reason for the Americans to be smug?

Also this, is something about the imbeciles gloating that the horrible thing not happening in their country one time out of hundreds somehow justifies them not dealing with the horrible thing.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Where are you seeing these smug american comments? Is it along the lines of "if MP had gun, this no happen :smug:"?

More like "I thought if there was no gun control then there'd be no shootings :smuggo:" and then tagging each and every one of their stupid loving idiot friends on every article about Jo Cox.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

LGD posted:

Thanks for so succinctly demonstrating my point, best of luck to you and your soggy little island

Hey, I can demonstrate it more succinctly. gently caress off you Yank oval office.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Blinks77 posted:

There isn't an argument to be had. God knows the U.K. has a lot of problems. Gun Control isn't really one of them though.

Thanks Tony Blair.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Oberleutnant posted:

it is pretty soggy he's not wrong

Is telling someone trying to get involved with a discussion about British politics to gently caress off and die really a bad thing and not a mercy?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

LGD posted:

The post wasn't about gun control, it was a brief aside about how and why people are frequently shitheads to one another online (costless schadenfreude and virtue signalling), and why this is a topic in particular upon which it would be unreasonable to expect perfect decorum and taste from others given past behavior. This was immediately followed up by people talking about how anything insensitive they or others might have said in the past is obviously different because their opinions are clearly correct, you can't talk to those foreigners because they're like literal animals (dogs in this case), and I, as a "yank oval office," should get out because I am obviously completely unqualified to comment on anything to do with UK politics/culture.

I'm not planning to make it a thing because it's an incredibly stupid and meaningless tone argument, but your contention that this thread is about political schisms would seem to indicate I'm posting in the right place.
gently caress off Yank oval office, you literal loving dog.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Steve2911 posted:

That's a sarcastic retort isn't it? Or maybe she's dumb I don't know my brain's fried.

She's defending herself on the he might be mentally ill grounds.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

IceAgeComing posted:

this video sums up everything you need to know about virtue signalling

Labour held Tooting; doubled their majority on a reduced turnout. 7.9% swing from the Tories to Labour; Labour was the only party to gain in vote share and the Greens had their vote halved and lost their deposit which they didn't do last year. I don't know whether a by-election held a week before an EU referendum on the day when an MP was assassinated for the first time in 25 years can tell you much though...

Especially taking into account that the people of Tooting may have been a little annoyed by the Tories implying their last MP was a religious fanatic.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Phoon posted:

wouldnt be surprised to see her husband take the seat

That's what I assumed would happen too. Also what Schapps said as well. It's not a safe seat but being seen as the party to benefit from something like this wouldn't be worth the one extra seat.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

More good stuff from James O'Brien.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Ziggy Tzardust posted:

https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/744096403094409216

I'm surprised he was able to get that one on the electoral roll

At least with him alive and seemingly willing to elucidate on his motives, the people who want to pretend this wasn't politically motivated can be shut up.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

TinTower posted:

I know Widow's Succession isn't the done thing any more, but goddamn if I don't want this man to succeed Jo.

Labour already did that once this year when Harry Harpham died. Brendan Cox probably wants to make sure he's there for his kids right now though.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


If it actually is him, surely that'll come up in the trial and the people blindly asserting is isn't will look silly? He doesn't seem like he's going to be shy about his motivations based on the name he's given the court.

That said, there's no way we can say that's definitely him based on a blurry side profile shot, so it's all pure speculation at this point anyway.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

It says a lot about her that when I went to her Twitter, she is extremely anti-Trump. Though I'm totally expecting someone to tell me it's because of some actually sane thing he said.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

massive spider posted:

The BBC hosed up the timing of this scroll a bit



Another Briton radicalised by ISS

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

CottonWolf posted:

I'm going to put forward the apparently controversial opinion that we shouldn't kill or wish death upon anyone based on their beliefs.

This but ironically

e: drat it

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