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Do people really think the silver lining to the Trump presidency is detente with Russia? I'm pretty sure that Donald loving Trump, as the new most powerful person in the world, is not going to miss the chance to swing his metaphorical dick around if the opportunity to confront Russia arises. Every aspect of his image is based around being an unrestrained strongman and the only thing to encourage him de-escalating tensions with Russia is "he said he would", ie. the sacrosanct word of Donald Trump.
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steinrokkan posted:Detente with Russia would be the opposite of a silver lining. Maybe the silver lining should be phrased as "of all the countries Trump would start WW3 with it might not be Russia".
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Nov 9, 2016 09:37
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tsa posted:Lol. Yeah, the media gave a lot of unnecessary airtime to Trump but at the end of the day it's hard to say "this is the mainstream media's fault" when at the end of the day they came out with a unified message of Trump is Bad, do not vote for him.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:01
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Pollyanna posted:Ahhhh gently caress I just remembered the people he's appointing. loving Gingrich, Giuliani, Arpaio, and Palin. What the gently caress. Convergence posted:This is not confirmed and probably not true. Not completely, anyway- all I know is that none of the picks are set yet. Is there any source for these picks other than right wing email fwd:fwd:fwd like and share if you agree this would be a great cabinet for america?
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Nov 10, 2016 05:12
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Pollyanna posted:So what I'm getting at is that for things to get better we need to somehow court minorities and blue collar whites at the same time and get them to play nice and that sounds pretty loving impossible, I'm sorry. can't tell if this is ironic or not but potentially right either way.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:30
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Fojar38 posted:Yeah, things are bleak because we've hit rock bottom. Only one way to go from rock bottom, friend. This is what people voting for Trump thought and they are about to be proved horribly wrong.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:36
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Fascism in every country has always been the result of a toxic cocktail of economic decline and racism, I don't see why people are arguing so hard that it has to be one or the other. Perhaps the truth is... somewhere in the middle? 
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Nov 10, 2016 09:33
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Considering the number of Trump supporters who voted based on 'I don't like him but I just can't vote for KILLARY and her emails/foundation/benghazi', this is not the election that supports the point of 'Clinton just had to offer voters hope and positivity instead of attacking the opposition which is why she lost'Not a Step posted:Fake edit: Also if youre sick of being shat on by city dwellers who routinely call you racist and uneducated and generally just want you to go away and die, theres no better middle finger than voting for a brash rear end in a top hat loathed by Hollywood, the political elite and city dwellers in general, even if he is a billionaire new yorker. Basically every ad showing how much Lena Dunham hated Trump made him more attractive as the ultimate gently caress you to people who treat 'flyover country' like poo poo I agree that this was a baffling dumb strategy, like what kind of mythical voter is there who respects the opinion of Lena Dunham but is leaning towards Trump or even undecided
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Nov 10, 2016 10:07
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The Shortest Path posted:News flash, tumblr isn't real life and does not reflect the actual policy positions of actual politicians. Zero real people talked about that poo poo, zero offline media talked about that poo poo. Yeah I will never cease to be amazed by how people will complain about how all the left talks about is pronouns and safe spaces, then claim this is a significant part of mainstream political candidates' platforms when literally none of them care.
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Nov 10, 2016 10:23
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Crowsbeak posted:Then work to actually appeal to the working class non voters interests. Guess what? Hillary didn't. quote:Part of Trump’s story was “Muslims are lunatics who want to slaughter your children, we can’t let them in!” Clinton would respond, “An intriguing Harvard School of Government study found our circa-2014 immigration vetting procedures were able to measure radicalization by five benchmarks that [audience loses consciousness].” This is a really weird and bizarre thing to say. I guarantee you if you asked any Trump voter - the people who clearly have been very poorly communicated to about liberal and progressive policy - "what do liberals think is the cause of islamic terrorism?" they would absolutely say "liberals think islamic terrorism happens because we are fighting them" or something much closer to the latter story than the former. Maybe this outs me as an out of touch liberal, but at least on the Islam/foreign policy front, the progressive message is very clearly "bombing the middle east has caused violent terrorism" and I cannot believe that any conservative would disagree that this is the progressive message rather than some weird policy wonk answer. It hasn't stopped them from resoundingly rejecting it.
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Nov 10, 2016 14:26
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:This is completely wrong. The average conservative thinks Muslims attack us because a. They hate our freedoms, and b. They are savages who have been fighting for centuries. The idea that terrorist attacks are a reasonable response to what the west has done to the middle east would be a novel idea to the average American. I know this is what the average conservative thinks. The original post I quoted was an article claiming that instead of telling conservatives that Muslims attack us because of Western military interventionism, progressives (or at least Hillary) ramble aimlessly about immigration vetting procedures and academic studies, but if they told them a more relatable story they could get them on board. Whilst liberals have no particularly good message to send about economic decline, the progressive message that Muslims attack us because of Western military interventionism has been very clear for years and conservatives know this is the message, they just don't agree.
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Nov 10, 2016 14:36
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Probably not. So what you're saying is the thing he said would happen after things go to poo poo under Trump already has precedent? quote:Bush tried to bring the jobs back, but those traitorous liberals, lying Jewish media, and terrorist Muslims worked together to prevent him and things got worse! We need to see people die for this! Vote President Trump! Not that people are really convinced Bush tried to revitalise the economy, but the general sentiment is the same.
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Nov 10, 2016 16:18
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Bad Decision Dino posted:http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/2016/11/blogs/graphic-detail/20161112_woc961_0.png Lol how can you post this and not realise this reflects a highly nondiverse and overwhelmingly white movement.
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Nov 10, 2016 17:04
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Bad Decision Dino posted:http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/2016/11/blogs/graphic-detail/20161112_woc961_0.png Bad Decision Dino posted:I didn't realize that 1/4th of hispanics and asians in the US were literally a part of the KKK. I'm not sure you realise how many foreigners were in the SS.
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Nov 10, 2016 17:15
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I think Dems are just talking past each other and I don't mean people who are arguing about whether Trump voters are racists or not. Ultimately it appears that there are some clear facts to be taken from the results - rust belt voters liked Trump and thought that Hillary didn't care about them - voters were not enthusiastic about Hillary, but also not very enthusiastic about Trump when you look at numbers of votes - Hillary won the popular vote and people are drawing two different lessons a) gently caress all the racist rural whites because they actually had no impact on Hillary losing compared to the drop in democratic turnout, so there is no need to pander to them b) rust belt areas swung way towards Trump when they had previously voted for Obama, so this is a big problem for the democrats I don't think either of these are wrong as such, they're just two different strategies for the dems moving forward and I don't know which is correct. The racist motivations of Trump voters come into play if you are arguing b), but that is secondary to the main issues. The racism intertwined with the Trump movement as a whole though is obvious and people who discount it are idiots.
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Nov 10, 2016 17:38
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Despite being a filthy centrist liberal I am willing to stump for making concessions to the far left at this point because the last time centrist liberals tried to stay the course in the face of a tide of right wing authoritarianism 60 million people died. Even if the completely worst case scenario of going full Stalin and all the useful idiots such as myself getting purged comes to pass, the USSR was a functioning society for the better part of a century whereas the right wing equivalents turned their countries into smouldering holes in the ground.
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Nov 11, 2016 12:23
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steinrokkan posted:Please not Stalin vs Hitler: The Fanfic Wars again Yeah this is never a good internet forums argument to get into and I'm sorry for having contributed. Bad Decision Dino posted:Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark, which are so socialist they are basically communism lite at this point? Ok I have to admit I have never ever heard a self declared Marxist say this.
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Nov 11, 2016 12:37
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I won't disagree that there were many problems with the way the dems ran this but thinking it requires a 'perfect' world for people to 'vote against fascism out of principle' is one of the bleakest, most depressing things I've read in a very bleak and depressing situation.
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Nov 11, 2016 13:22
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Confounding Factor posted:I get the protests over the racism, bigotry, sexism, etc. But when the gently caress are people going to wake up to the reality of class? There's been a class war brewing for sometime now and we are seeing the fruits of that with Trump winning the election. Why is talk of class so taboo in this country? It's obvious that one candidate appeals to whites and one to everyone else, but class is a lot harder to grasp because if you look at the division of votes by income the Trump and Clinton campaign seem to be basically the same. If you can't see at a glance that the poor voted one way and the rich voted another nobody will pay attention to it.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:05
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I'm sure there are reasons why Reid is part of the problem that someone will post but this is pretty impressive regardless. Mister Macys posted:150 million registered voters did not turn out for the Democratic Party's nominee. By definition that is a majority that cares more about themselves and their own families than others. Uhh what? Even if you genuinely believe neither of the candidates offer you anything over the other resignation is not the same thing as self interest.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:12
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Squashing Machine posted:It's not controversial, but I'd call it dismissive and classist at best. It implies that they're not rational actors. You can go ahead and empathise with segments of the working class voting for Trump for their own economic beliefs but this is not the election to argue that reason motivates the electorate.
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Kilroy posted:Singapore is poo poo-tier and the state will murder you on the barest of pretenses. Upper middle-class Singaporeans love it for the same reason upper middle-class people everywhere love their country, that being that their society is organized around their comfort. Rich white assholes visit it and sing its praises back home for the same reasons rich white assholes always love SE Asia and sing its praises (i.e. business opportunities and sex tourism). If you are just saying Singapore is poo poo because it has the death penalty, ok, but if you are implying that the state constantly murders its political opponents ????? because I am not sure this has ever happened.
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