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From a foreign policy standpoint it's now completely unclear what the us is willing to defend and what the us is now going to unilaterally attack. Presumably that'll get somewhat less cloudy but maybe in the form of policy details being dictated by newt/whatever unhinged ex-general is in vogue.
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halwain posted:Is calexit even a possibility? (European here, im just curious) It's not.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:57
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VROOM VROOM posted:Dems lost primarily because they treated progressives like poo poo. Sanders would have walked in to the White House if the party hadn't conspired within themselves and with the media against him. And even a Clinton/Sanders or Clinton/Warren ticket would have won handily. This election could have been an overwhelming progressive mandate (and see that even with depressed turnout because of a lovely top of the ticket, there were victories like Arpaio getting kicked out and the first election of an openly LGBT governor). But they embraced their insiders and their centrism, propped up a fake progressive who the people couldn't trust let alone be inspired to rally around, and banked on being able to guilt enough of their base into voting just because. If there is any light here, it's that the Democratic establishment has been thoroughly discredited and that actual progressives have/get to pick up the pieces, and the narratives critical of Clinton/Dems that were being suppressed because people were scared of a Trump victory are going to be out in the open now that she has so thoroughly failed. Uhh the dems were absurdity nice to progressives this cycle.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:44
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Not a Step posted:Ahahahahahahaha I mean Bernie lost but I have no idea what offenses there was beside losing and having a bunch of his platform adopted.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:49
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Crowsbeak posted:I would rather vote for Trump then vote for a bunch of retards who think crystals will stop cancer. I have bad news for you with regard to our new anti-vaxer president.
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Nov 10, 2016 14:57
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straight up brolic posted:Tulsi Gabbard is someone to root for, but she's probably too young I really don't see what she brings to the table wrt policy besides realizing that publicly pushing Bernie early was a winning way to expand her brand.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:17
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Also WRT Ellison as DNC chair I really like it because it sends the message that the party is going to pick up some economic populism and push at Trumps demographic but islamophobia and racism are absolutely not coming along.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:19
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So which senator looks most likely to pull an Arlen Sector and switch caucuses if Trump pushes more than he can bargain?
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Nov 11, 2016 00:21
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disjoe posted:Does Keith Ellison have a history on fighting for a strong leftist economic policy? (Seriously asking) He plays the game with the party but he was strong for Bernie. I don't know how much he is on the record for but it's not exactly like you get a chance to vote for full communism in the US house.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:27
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Remember how Hillfolk used to share HA Goodman's articles and laugh at him for saying that someone like Bernie was going to be the only way to keep Trump out of power.... That wasn't why he was laughed at.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:30
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Ogmius815 posted:Who is Keith Ellison and how should I feel about him? What are his credentials that make people think he will be good to lead the party? It seems like he's just some rando congress critter from Minneapolis. He was the first Muslim congressman, Bernie supporter, very well liked in Minneapolis, cool dude and probably can make a sausage when it comes to that.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:20
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FuturePastNow posted:And not to be a bitter Bernie supporter, either, but I'll trust the photos of him marching with Civil Rights protesters over the photos of Hillary interning for the Nixon admin as evidence of who would actually be stronger on race issues Didn't Hillary intern to impeach Nixon?
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Nov 12, 2016 04:46
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Lightning Knight posted:Doesn't the California Governor suck? Jerry Brown is okay.
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Nov 12, 2016 06:28
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last laugh posted:Turnout wasn't down much in MN yet Trump almost flipped the state Red for the first time in a very long time. Listen the the This American Life a few weeks ago about St Cloud.
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Nov 12, 2016 16:57
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What are they going to say when the US begins providing close air support for Hezbollah troops in Syria?
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Nov 14, 2016 03:18
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Glazier posted:One side has the entire US government, including the military at it's command. Remember when we used to make fun of the militia guys for thinking they could take on the US military? At least those guys had guns and occasionally went camping, we've got nothing. The Trump force is going to roll through the cities and it will be backed by law enforcement at all levels, the military and the courts. Face it, minorities of all kinds are not going to be Americans much longer we will have either fled, been deported or exterminated. I think you misunderstand just how entrenched and sluggish institutions are. Trump can do terrible things but he can't change the country with a magic wand.
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Nov 14, 2016 09:15
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Glazier posted:No but he can, and will, deploy the national guard to "pacify" the anti-Trump demonstrations using lethal force. Then he'll make FCC licensing and regulatory approval dependent on how negative you are about him, so good luck finding out about the Trump death squads. Face it America is over for minorities. all that's left is figuring out how you want to end it. I have a feeling he can't actually do those things without major backlash. The true believers of Trump don't actually control the machinery of government and he's going to get stabbed in the back from all sides.
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Nov 14, 2016 09:25
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For instance I wouldn't be surprised if Trump isn't seen favorably by all of the current 8 Supreme Court justices who'll have no problem striking down deeply unconstitutional things like Muslim bans.
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Nov 14, 2016 09:29
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a shameful boehner posted:Anyone who doesnt take anything Trump says deadly seriously at this point is a loving idiot. Trump can do anything he wants to do with a united government and you dumb fucks saying he is going to get stabbed in the back are going to keep saying that poo poo as he starts deportations and clamping down press freedoms, nodding to yourselves, as you hear the Goldshirts knocking at your doors. He's super dangerous but this election is the first thing he succeeded at in his life. He's going to need a lot of help from people who are willing to help only if their interests align.
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Nov 14, 2016 09:37
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a shameful boehner posted:"The true believers of Trump dont actually control the machinery" Yeah just two of 3 branches of government and a soon to be SCOTUS majority There's a difference between people who think Trump is useful and a true believer.
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Nov 14, 2016 09:38
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Scent of Worf posted:"It wasn't her fault, those mean republicans ran ads against her" She lost the presidency despite winning the popular vote by a decent margin and Republicans already had both floors of congress.
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Nov 14, 2016 20:23
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Agnosticnixie posted:The PUMAs did way worse poo poo than the berniebros in 08. That's 100% true but they also showed up to vote in November.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:48
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MizPiz posted:I don't remember Obama supporters constantly whining about them until election night. People were basically flipping the gently caress out about pumas right up to the landslide. 2008 was way uglier primary than 2016.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:55
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Al-Saqr posted:Someone explain to the republican rubes that their anti establishment candidate basically has nothing but the absolute worst shittiest people of the establishment on his cabinet. Why would this be seen as a bad thing?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:43
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Mustached Demon posted:We're going to invade Iran so he can get our weapons back. Once we get our F-14s back we're all gonna be in the danger zone now.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:23
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In my opinion this circular firing squad will never get old.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:07
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:The Democrats had a majority of both the House and the Senate, and the Presidency in 2008. They could have passed single payer if they had the loving guts to actually fight for it. lol yeah, just gonna cruise through the senate with 35 votes.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:02
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It's gonna own when he has to release those kennedy assassination files.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:35
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HorseRenoir posted:Are the Republicans going to pretend that they like the Russians or are there still enough Cold Warriors out there to push back on someone like Rohrabacher? I know that John McCain put out an anti-Putin statement today No, the Russia thing is going to be a major loving problem for Trump at some point but not something goes wrong and it becomes appropriate to stab everyone in the back.
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Nov 16, 2016 04:01
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Agnosticnixie posted:Like let's be honest, the first elector to go faithless is probably going to swing from a lamppost at this point. Is that dude from washington state still gonna vote for Trump because he's gonna be rewarded with a pipeline personally routed through his back yard.
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Nov 16, 2016 08:05
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Hollismason posted:I think the Republican's are playing the long game here. It's a brilliant plan. By causing the displacement of 10s of millions of people from the east and west coast due to climate change they shore up their base. Once florida is only panhandle it's gonna be hella red.
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Nov 18, 2016 02:48
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cult member at airport posted:It's going to be fun watching the conspiracy theorists slowly lose faith in Trump and eventually come to the consensus that he I feel like this climate is ripe for lyndon larouche to make a comeback.
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Nov 18, 2016 04:06
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Cup Runneth Over posted:No, this is a legitimate concern on the left. Socialists are always on the edge of their seats about whether the Sandman has let them down. People are saying he's in the tank for Schumer now. Well the good news is with the constant purity checks we'll know the exact moment he becomes a neoliberal shill so we don't have to worry about getting fooled for a moment.
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Nov 18, 2016 04:24
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Chomskyan posted:This is the most pathetic hair splitting. When Sanders criticized Clinton, and Obama he was criticizing the leaders of a nominally left wing party that were utterly failing to care for the people who depended on them. His olive branch to Trump is a desperate attempt to make the best of a horrible situation. Just gently caress off already It's clearly good. This doesn't mean we can't point out that there was a circular firing squad for everyone not proposing everything to be perfect for months.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:04
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Stereotype posted:No one should ever forget the irony that conservatives will probably never shut up about "safe spaces" and yet will constantly come in to bitch and moan about how they can't post here because we actually take them to task on their idiotic unsupported ideas. Yeah the party that bitches about political correctness is now out to persecute people from wrong political speech.
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Nov 18, 2016 08:08
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Hollismason posted:Reminder: Steve Bannon is a accelerationist and he is an advisor to Donald Trump who in a few months with become the most powerful person politically on Earth. To be fair he's a realistic accelerationist in that he thinks the destruction of civil society will lead to racial unrest instead of the ones around here who think that it will lead to productive socialist institutions.
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Nov 18, 2016 18:17
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Crowsbeak posted:Why do you want servicemen to die in the middle east? Dunno, a lot of servicemen just voted to do so so good on them.
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Nov 18, 2016 18:19
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Hollismason posted:There's no such thing as a realistic accelerationist. Sure there is. Thinking making things terrible will make things worse is realistic.
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Nov 18, 2016 18:39
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Covok posted:That is really our best hope. So many incompetent people are being put into power that our main hope is they play grab-rear end for 8 years until Trump can't run anymore. 8?
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Remember that people have the short term retention of memory such that you'll be able to honestly state that Trump personally founded ISIS in 2020.
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