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SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Fiction posted:

I'm just hoping the centrists who insist that Hillary did not fail and was failed just take their ball and go home completely.

Agree on that. The fact remains the democrats lost to an orange-faced idiot. That alone is a fireable offense

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SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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also lol at Venom's analogies in the OP.

You want a WW2 analogy that makes sense? How about Munich 1938. The dems sold out their principles to avoid a bigger disaster...and then the big disaster happened anyway.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Zikan posted:

here's a draft for the message on getting involved with the DNC. it's aimed toward sharing on fb so less "full communism now" then i would have done. I’ll probably add more and edit it but the civil war is loving on and we need to start fighting


It is not a vote of the party membership but a vote of the committee members, which range from state democratic party chairpersons to the members of various organizations. There are also 200 appointed committee member that are difficult to even find out who they are.

We must mobilize. We must make our voices heard. We must let the elites who have lead us astray know our anger.

I have spent the past few days collecting a list of the contact information of all the DNC committee members I could find. This list is incomplete and may have some wrong information. If it does let me know so I can correct it. But it is a start

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S7w8tvS0NWA3AX8JdFjZLLAW7f_S4hp2T3416ttjBtg/edit?usp=sharing

E-mail your state chair. Call you state party headquarters. Write letters. Tell your friends. Organize.

Do not let them take this opportunity away from us again.

That's a good idea! Let me see who my rep is-

quote:

Illinois Michael Madagin
:sigh: never mind

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Mike the TV posted:

A Hillary loss is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for the DNCe and her supporters to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the progressives than on the establishment. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal.

:golfclap:

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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hailthefish posted:

fixed it for you, so you can be less offended, god bless



Is it wrong that whenever I see a 2x2 comic and it isn't a loss edit my brain rejects what it's seeing?

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Well What Now posted:

meanwhile, Trump has already started pissing off the people he needs to hold on to the most...

https://twitter.com/jonfranks/status/797975490526998528

For a second I thought this was Jonathan Frankes. :wtc:

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Mr. Jive posted:

I hope someone can quantify this someday but Trump wasn't given a free pass at all. He made so many gaffes and scandals that people stopped caring.

Recall that Dean Banquet, executive editor of the NYT, publicly said he would be willing to face jail time for publishing Trump's tax returns in order to sink his campaign.

I think that's the biggest :ironicat: for me, is that if anyone should know that scandals have a diminishing return on their impact, it would be the loving Clintons

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Mordiceius posted:

Would Russ Feingold be a better choice for DNC chair than Keith Ellison?

I'm not sure, but he's been around for a long drat while. May be too "establishment" for whatever that's worth.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Update to Illinois goons: Don't call Madigan's Springfield office number. The guy on the other side said that it's illegal to use the office for political purposes (yeah yeah I know but if any of us had the connections to circumvent these laws we wouldn't be here). He did suggest that I call the State Democratic office. The number for that office is (217) 546-7404

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Got off the phone with a person at the IL dem office. She took down my support for Keith Ellison and said she would pass my comments along to our state's reps on the National Party.

She also gave me the number for getting involved with the party locally. For other Chicagoons, the number for the Cook County Dem Party is 312-263-0575

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Sorry to hear about anyone getting no response from their local Dem orgs. I was at least able to leave my contact info with an actual human. :sadpeanut:

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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GlyphGryph posted:

How exactly does money even help? Are they paying for professional lobbyists to contact the legislature and speak for them? I have always been a bit iffy about rallies unless they actually have a specific goal, they generally seem to exist for solidarity more than for their effects on outside events. Someone actually schmoozing pols probably is more effective... assuming thats even what the money would go to, which it might well not be

Yeah I was wondering this too, even Keith Ellison's petition page was asking for money.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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loquacius posted:

Yeah I probably should have specified that when I said "pro-labor" I didn't necessarily only mean "pro-union". It's very possible to campaign on workers' rights without talking about unions at all. Also we've talked ITT about expanding the definition of "working class" to include office drones and I definitely still think we need to do that.

:agreed: I push a mouse for a living, but I live in a studio and paycheck to paycheck. Middle Class I am not, and if restoring the Left in America means changing my self identity, I'm glad of it.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Cook County update: Haven't heard anything since giving them my email. I guess "we don't want no one no one sent" is still in effect.

Organizing something independently seems more and more sensible.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Concerned Citizen posted:

he did not endorse until after ny though so he's still a bernie bro

No he loving isn't. Stop defending your memelard.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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When will we know the results?

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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docbeard posted:

Cool. Next time I have some money to spare, I'll send her some.

I'm still mentally recovering from all the money I :homebrew:ed to Clinton. Giving money to Star Citizen or Doobie would have felt better.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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JeffersonClay posted:

84% of dems think Russia interfered in the election, 77% think it is a very important issue, and 87% want an investigation into the links between Trump and Russia. So yeah, they really do.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2422

And so long as the GOP controls Congress, we're not going to get it.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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tadashi posted:

They need to blow up the leadership.

Fixed this for you

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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loquacius posted:

The question of "if the DNC chair is such a powerless pointless position why did the Obama camp go to so much trouble to keep it out of Ellison's hands instead of just giving it to the left to shut them up" has never been resolved to my satisfaction

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Lastgirl posted:

well they pokemon go to the polls so u think theyd be capable enough of finding some gym leaders to beat and take their place

The only challenging Gym leaders have been Sabrina (bc Psychic was broken in RBGY), Whitney (Miltank fuq ur poo poo) and Elesa (fuckin Volt-Switch Electric/Flying :argh:)

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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ThndrShk2k posted:

Hahaha nice.

I don't think the video is 100% accurate though as they are not completely acting like them. They forgot to the vocal mannerisms that subtly bug people and sounded half like they were just reading it.

For a science experiment the reproduction isn't enough, but the people participating are not actors so it's what we got which isn't a bad thing.


Granted I thought Clinton did terrible in the debates so this just shows why in a way normal people can understand.
It's because of the sexist bernie bros :argh:

If you wanted to make things :turianass: scientific :turianass:, you could have the two performers switch roles.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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zegermans posted:

turns out like most of my posts it wasn't funny.

I thought my borg killing joke was good tho

I-I chucked :shobon:

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Thoguh posted:

I wonder if Perez et al are mad Bernie is actually out taking the made up roll they made for him seriously and doing town halls and poo poo.

Of course they are-he might actually make them take a stance beyond "Trump is bad!"

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Gene Hackman Fan posted:

i'm from appalachia and i say primary them all.

COME ON YOU DOGS, WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVAHHH!

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Oh Snapple! posted:

just want to add

"loving deray lmao"

educate me on deray

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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logikv9 posted:

bring back square pizza

BAN THIS SI-oh wait :negative:

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Gene Hackman Fan posted:

don't get me wrong: I'm not saying a bad dem resisting their baser instincts to dem badly isn't impossible.

it's just that it's sure as poo poo improbable

Right now I'm at "I'll believe it when I see it".

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Jazerus posted:

that's my favorite final fantasy 7 spin-off game

Hillary killed Aeris Vince Foster!

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Neurolimal posted:

how soon we forget Aatrek

Well there's one group that didn't forget Aatrek...

mods

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Rand alPaul posted:

They straight up stole a SCOTUS pick from the Dems, they should be threatening everything.

ftfy

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Concerned Citizen posted:

well that's what i mean. dems should have a message that points to a particular future we want to see, not just protecting the status quo. it's hard to build a party brand around "everything is good, except for the things we didn't fix yet." but they're not going to do that because it's hard to get dems to come together on policy without a sitting president to be the spokesperson for it. it's hard to present "the democratic plan" when you have 10 guys on the left saying the plan doesn't go far enough and 10 guys on the right saying the plan is left-wing garbage

:cry: "It's haaard to set a message!" :cry:

Well then get the gently caress out of politics

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Concerned Citizen posted:

it's not hard to set a message, it's definitely hard to set a compelling national message that plays in every competitive district in the country. which is why the party tends to go district-by-district.

Setting a national message is their loving job if they want to lead a national party.

So far, this district-by-district poo poo has resulted in Dems losing ground everywhere. It's time they re-evaluate that, and maybe not put some weaksause fund-babby up against Marco Rubio next time.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Neurolimal posted:

Hillary and Biden are both bad, before the election I would have said Biden was worse, but the only redeeming factor of neoliberalism was the perception that it was Very Competent At Denying Republicans The Presidency. If Hillary can't accomplish that then she's a pretty bad Neoliberal, which is extra bad and outpaces Biden's badness

wait hold on *checks badometer and badacus* yeah checks out

I think that is at the heart of what turned me from a lukewarm "Democrats okay, I'd like to have European liberalism here but what can you do?" to "gently caress the Democrats, full socialism NOW!", that as disappointing as they felt, they at least kept the randroids and god-bots off the levers of power.

If they cannot do even that, then what is the point of supporting Third Way politics?

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

a good rule of thumb is to ignore all political scientists because they were stupid enough to get a polisci degree rather than one in underwater basket weaving

*nervously shuffles to corner, whistles quietly*

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Nonsense posted:

Las Vegas got the team, there will be no new expansions. Iowans are dumb as poo poo

Well you can always cross your fingers for the Browns to gently caress over Cleveland again

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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Oh Snapple! posted:

Article in question, for the record.
Essentially it boils down to being the same thing that happens whenever someone offers a differing minority perspective that goes against the centrist grain: It gets completely ignored, because it's extremely important to maintain a particular narrative about who supports who and why. Finding out that the person you're arguing with has had their opinion informed by the perspective and writing of a POC also suddenly puts some folks on the back foot due to the way they had previously been arguing.

I've seen that article be the cause of this so many loving times.

First time reading that article. After growing up in a rich white suburb during the Clinton presidency, I appreciate different perspectives.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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lol Orsoff lost. And democrats are all "well it was a good showing".

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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I was writing a post about how hope only exists in JRPGs not written by :yokotaro:, but got distracted by the idea of describing BadDems in the style of Drakengard/Nier weapon stories.

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SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

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KomradeX posted:

Well... are you gonna share or just tease us with that?

I'll make a few after work.

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